Russian special military operation in Ukraine #5

Regular wrote:

Isos wrote:
He knew too much. Very likely americans did it.

There's a video in the original link posted, it's clearly Ukrainians who did it. Got into cross fire while shooting at him as well...

I bet it's a team of ukrainian working for them. Such guys don't get kill randomly.

https://t.me/intelslava/21986

Fighting in Brovary map

Arrow wrote:

Ukraine will probably never make such concessions.  So I wonder what the background of Russia is.

Very simple.... destroy all military structure and kill all the chain of command of the Ukrainian armed forces... in fact, that's what is already happening.

Arrow wrote:

Ukraine will probably never make such concessions.  So I wonder what the background of Russia is.

Well that is normally a "starting point" and then you work your way towards a "middle ground". With Ukraine as the probable looser in this conflict the middle ground will ultimately be in favour of the Russian's demands. I expect very few concessions from the Russians if you look at the history since 2014.

GunshipDemocracy wrote:
Zuckerberg after Wikipedia:

His great-grandparents were Jewish emigrants from Austria, Germany, and Poland.[12] He had a Star Wars-themed bar mitzvah when he turned 13

Khazaria delenda est.

VARGR198 wrote:

https://twitter.com/DeanoBeano1/status/1502253965265752065

The amount if foreigners not from western shitholes wanting to assist is rather large. I imagine DNR and LNR is gonna get a big boost of foreigners assisting real soon.

Regular wrote:https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/17899587/ukraine-war-russia-british-fighter/

"British ex-Army soldier/merc goes to war in Ukraine, gets hit with rockets/helicopter fire, runs scared into the woods, gets picked up by Ukraine Territorial Defense who torture him thinking he's a Russian spy, gets released, immediately goes back home to the UK."

More of this please!
Can not wait how more of these idiots go to the media to be interviewed on their failed volunteer experiences.

https://t.me/istorijaoruzija/42358

Lurk83 wrote:

Isos wrote:https://mobile.twitter.com/ASB_Military


It seems they have a backup twitter. Too bad they got hit by twitter censorship.

According to their telegram this is a fake account and not theirs.

Here's their telegram
https://t.me/asbmil

And their gab
https://gab.com/ASBMilitary

https://sputniknews.com/20220311/made-in-india-boeing-airbus-parts-can-be-exported-to-russia-averting-sanctions-aviation-expert-1093754109.html

Seems like those nationalized planes that Russia has from Boeing and Airbus can be maintained using OEM parts from India and Turkey

So Turkey will get its money back from f35 deal by selling parts to Russia bahahaha

Take a look at this..

the losses of russian army to baykatar drones can't be denied , and this is army that claimed
"air superiority" total control in the first day and that "disable ukraine air defenses" just in the first day.

http://charly015.blogspot.com/2022/02/ataques-de-drones-bayraktar-durante-el.html

The images confirm what many have been saying , but ignored by fanboys in the forum ,
and is that the Russia army is not yet prepared to fight a modern war against an enemy with
strong air support . Because if the Russian military can't properly defend their own army ,
right next to the russian borders ,where Russia have access to the entire air power.. then imagine
how much worse it will be for Russia military if it had to fight far from its borders, or perhaps if the country it had to invade was fully armed by NATO and Israel.

-Zero electronic warfare used to blind the remote controlled baycatar drones.
-Zero mobile air defenses protecting their major troops formations.
-Zero anti air artillery taking down those drones .
- Those drones need to take off from airports runways.. why those airports don't properly destroyed?

And this is ukraine a third world nation ,that is only armed by another third country like turkey ,that their drones they manufacture with NATO parts.

Imagine how much worse this will have been , if Russia was fighting in Serbia ,under attack by NATO ,that have NATO airbases near?  if it was fighting in Israel?  

Russia is a second grade military today ,when it comes to modern warfare ,
i have no doubts today , that had Russia had no nuclear weapons , and had no way to deter enemies from attacking them directly, it will have been completely destroyed its military in ukraine by any NATO major power with US unlimited aid of drones and modern weapons.  All those stupid era soviet artillery duels tactics ,that russia love to show all the time " as how powerful they are" will have been
totally useless ,if Russia can't properly defend its airspace.

Only russia nuclear deterrence is what prevents NATO from destroying Russia military bases, ,because all those s-400s ,that supposedly cover ukraine airspace performance vs baykatar drones have been mediocre to say the least.  since the russian army convoys are taking a lot of hits right next to belarus border ,which russia s-300s and s-400 can reach easily.

So far hopefully this war will show the incompetent Russia government and russian army ,that they are not well prepared at all , not even close to fight a real war ,against a much more stronger army ,
as it will be japan for example , or israel , or UK , France or US.   so keep celebrating those s-400s junk , not good enough.. Russia is losing buks defenses like there is no tomorrow. and will lose those s-400s too , if they were located in ukraine , no question about it.


Lets see what will happen to russian army, once those israeli drones start showing up targeting
russian convoys , i can forsee a major disaster for russia in ukraine. if the russian military don't start
properly providing air cover to the russian army. Because so far , doesn't look at all ,that Russia after 2 weeks of fights ,have complete control of ukraine airspace. not even close.. it can be hammered
from time to time its military , with the very weak defense capabilities of russia vs drone attacks in ukraine and s-400s and s-300s deployed near the battles zones in russian border.

i think is time for russian military to start moving to lethal energy weapons that fry electronics in combination with modern anti air artillery like the ones germany have.




Ukraine airspace is on russian borders, and is fully under reach of russia s-300s and s-400s,
and buks defense.. why those shitty airdefenses not stopping those drones from flying?
what is the excuses now for russian army? 8 years preparations for war against ukraine was not
good enough? they knew ,the high possibility that russian army will had to invade ukraine.
they knew how dangerous were those baykatar drones of turkey, and how many russian hardware
Russia military lost in syria, then later in armenian war , so what is the excuse now?
so far is showing major weakness ,pretty poor performance vs modern warfare.

Russia is strong only vs stalingrad like world war 2 battles , that wars are won by armor
and artillery and tanks and soldiers on foot fighting . but in modern warfare , when enemy airforce
and drones capability ,is very capable , russia military performance downgrade to the level of iran.
This is very serious , because NATO is watching this , is paying attention to this , the west now knows Russia is very weak ,vs drones attacks and loitering munition, not well prepared for a sustained defense against it. and now there is no excuse people that used in the forum , as they did in the armenian conflict.. "russian army not there fighting"  

Now is the russian army fighting . stop defending what can't be defended..
russian army was sent to ukraine ill prepared ,fact , to properly defend its military from a modern air war. now all those that told "russian army is not there fighting" in the armenian conflict ,will need to eat their words..  now is the russian army being smashed ,just like turkey did it in armenia with their drones.  and i don't think ,that this major problems can be fixed by just sending more buks to ukraine.. the tactics are simply wrong..  Russia needs to go back to the drawing board and develop something new for a sustained air protection and defenses for the russian military. Because those shitty s-400s, and s-300s that covers all ukraine airspace don't work at all. and neither those mobile air defenses working that well either.  

if there is something positive in all this ,is that now everyone will stop worshipping those obsolete russian airdefenses s-400s ,s-300s , buks ,tors, not providing proper air cover to the russian convoys near belarus borders. and russia military will need to radically change its tactics ,to protect its military convoys and military defended bases too ,when facing a modern war.  

There is no point in russia building any surface warship if it can't even protect its own soldiers in land , right next to its borders in a modern war.. they need to invest heavily instead 10x times more in modernizing its airforce and military for future modern wars, that will rarely use tanks or artillery and will focus more in air space domination using either energy weapons and saturation attacks with cheap drones warfare.

Vann7 wrote:
Take a look at this..

the losses of russian army to baykatar drones can't be denied , and this is army that claimed
"air superiority" total control in the first day and that "disable ukraine air defenses" just in the first day.

http://charly015.blogspot.com/2022/02/ataques-de-drones-bayraktar-durante-el.html

The images confirm what many have been saying , but ignored by fanboys in the forum ,
and is that the Russia army is not yet prepared to fight a modern war against an enemy with
strong air support . Because if the Russian military can't properly defend their own army ,
right next to the russian borders ,where Russia have access to the entire air power.. then imagine
how much worse it will be for Russia military if it had to fight far from its borders, or perhaps if the country it had to invade was fully armed by NATO and Israel.

-Zero electronic warfare used to blind the remote controlled baycatar drones.
-Zero mobile air defenses protecting their major troops formations.
-Zero anti air artillery taking down those drones .
- Those drones need to take off from airports runways.. why those airports don't properly destroyed?

And this is ukraine a third world nation ,that is only armed by another third country like turkey ,that their drones they manufacture with NATO parts.

Imagine how much worse this will have been , if Russia was fighting in Serbia ,under attack by NATO ,that have NATO airbases near?  if it was fighting in Israel?  

Russia is a second grade military today ,when it comes to modern warfare ,
i have no doubts today , that had Russia had no nuclear weapons , and had no way to deter enemies from attacking them directly, it will have been completely destroyed its military in ukraine by any NATO major power with US unlimited aid of drones and modern weapons.  All those stupid era soviet artillery duels tactics ,that russia love to show all the time " as how powerful they are" will have been
totally useless ,if Russia can't properly defend its airspace.

Only russia nuclear deterrence is what prevents NATO from destroying Russia military bases, ,because all those s-400s ,that supposedly cover ukraine airspace performance vs baykatar drones have been mediocre to say the least.  since the russian army convoys are taking a lot of hits right next to belarus border ,which russia s-300s and s-400 can reach easily.

So far hopefully this war will show the incompetent Russia government and russian army ,that they are not well prepared at all , not even close to fight a real war ,against a much more stronger army ,
as it will be japan for example , or israel , or UK , France or US.   so keep celebrating those s-400s junk , not good enough.. Russia is losing buks defenses like there is no tomorrow. and will lose those s-400s too , if they were located in ukraine , no question about it.


Lets see what will happen to russian army, once those israeli drones start showing up targeting
russian convoys , i can forsee a major disaster for russia in ukraine. if the russian military don't start
properly providing air cover to the russian army. Because so far , doesn't look at all ,that Russia after 2 weeks of fights ,have complete control of ukraine airspace. not even close.. it can be hammered
from time to time its military , with the very weak defense capabilities of russia vs drone attacks in ukraine and s-400s and s-300s deployed near the battles zones in russian border.

i think is time for russian military to start moving to lethal energy weapons that fry electronics in combination with modern anti air artillery like the ones germany have.




Russia military so far is showing major weakness in modern warfare.
this is very bad, NATO will be paying attention to this , they know russia acheeles heel,
drones attacks and loitering munition, not well prepared for a sustained defense against it.
only shot down a some of them ,but many still allowed to smash the russian convoys.

That's what the 57mm would have been used for.

That rhenmetall gun is a joke. The hard part against drones like tb2 is detecting them, not destroying it.

And with the range of the gun, drones armed with missiles should be ok.

A tor is much better to hunt tb2.

Dr.Snufflebug wrote:

Dr.Snufflebug wrote:
Also, a Tupolev drone (141/143) seems to have flown all the way to Zagreb, Croatia. No joke. Crashed there late last night with its recovery parachutes deployed. No injuries reported, but a lot of surprised Croatian faces for sure.

This will be interesting to see what it's about. My first thoughts are 1. Ukrainian attempt to get NATO involved somehow, or 2. a Russian decoy that was supposed to bait Ukrainian SAMs but that somehow flew all the way through. It had to have been launched from Belarus in that case, as its range is not sufficient to reach Croatia from the Russian mainland. From Ukraine it has enough range.

Either way, it must also have flown through an entire NATO country in the first place (Hungary, Romania) to have reached Croatia (also NATO). So that makes me wonder about the state of the air defenses there.

Croatian authorities say the drone came from the east and crossed the airspaces of Moldova, Romania and Hungary before entering Croatian ditto and crashing in the Zagreb area. That seems to more or less rule out a Russian launch IMO, as it would have come from the Odessa oblast or so given the maximum range of the system. Even if Russian patrols might be present at the far end, the Tu-141/143 is a big, bulky system and nothing you carry along just like that.

But it also makes zero sense for Ukraine to launch one in the completely opposite direction of where the combat is, unless it was exactly that - an attempt at provoking NATO into acting. Completely bonkers idea, but I wouldn't put it past them.

Also, as noted, air defense forces of four (!) countries failed to intercept it along the way. Okay, Moldova's ditto aren't much to brag about, but the other three are all NATO and all have decent radars and supersonic fighter jets that ought to have been on some kind of alert given what's going down right now.

Perhaps the Ukrainians counted on it being shot down somewhere along the way too, instead of flying that far. Pure guesses. I expect some kind of proper briefing in time, which will hopefully help clearing things up.

Twist: The authorities on Crimea say that a Tu-141 that was launched from the Odessa region was shot down over the peninsula:
https://www.c-inform.info/news/id/101251

They seem to imply that it happened around the same time as the Croatian crash, that two Tu-141s were launched from south eastern Ukraine, one in either direction (east and west). What are the Ukrainians up to, I wonder?

Also, note the old-style Soviet stars on the supposedly Crimean one. I seem to recall that one Croatian journalist mentioned red stars on the Zagreb wreck as well. Have they been reactivated from some kind of ancient storage facility or taken straight from a museum? The Tu-141 that was shot down (or crashed on its own) in the Donbass years ago had the modern Ukrainian roundels on it at least.

Was it posted here ? A tu141 drone, not stealthy at all, flew all the eastern Nato flank from Ukraine and crashed in Zagreb, Coratia.

It tell a lot about nato air defences. It wasn't stealthy but remained undetected by traveling through 3 cpuntries over more than 700km.

IMO ukrainian tried to hit civilians and make people believe it was a russian drone.

Serberus wrote:The hate campaign againts Russia has reached fever pitch in Australia, i have never seen such hate directed at any country in my 30 years living here.
I just ordered some food on a delivery app and they are collecting money to send to Ukraine military, (yes military not humanitarian) i have never seen anything like this before, everyone is acting like we are at war with Russia which says alot about the mindset of westerners and if Russia thinks these people will ever be cordial with them, its a huge mistake.

That money will go into bank accounts of rich western elites.

Lurk83 wrote:Drone in Croatia was a Tu141 drone. Uncertain who launched it and from where. Not inside Russia as it wouldn’t have made it that far. Maybe Ukraine or from inside Belarus

Putin announcing 16000 middle eastern volunteers want to fight in Ukraine and Russia will facilitate their arrival.

Apparently the Croatians already said it came from the territory of the Ukraine

Might be fake news

Arrow wrote:

Ukraine will probably never make such concessions.  So I wonder what the background of Russia is.

Either Putin or Lavrov said as much, that there will be more and more demands the longer the Ukraine doesn't agree to them and drags the negotiation process out

I'd guess that this is a strategy of destabilization of the Ukrainian regime

Regarding the various cease-fires and humanitarian corridors that keep failing.

What bugs me, is that it would cost Russia exactly diddly-squat to publicly post its collected drone footage or satellite images of various Ukrainian military elements blocking the exit of civilians from various towns, yet they don't. Don't get me wrong, I certainly believe Russia's version of 'Ukrainian nationalists are blocking the exit of civilians' more than I do 'Russia is shelling civilians every time they try to exit.', but what really frustrates me is that the Russian military/government has every sensor under the sun to prove its point and make the Ukrainian officials look like idiots, caught with their pants down; yet, they don't.

I Genuinely wonder if there's a reason for that; If I'm missing some bigger picture, or if the Russians just don't give to shits about what the public thinks.

EDIT:
Yes, I'm aware the Russian MoD has recently released one example of such footage, but they earlier reported over one hundred violations. It feels like there ought to be hours worth of footage to truly get the point across.

Ukraine has biological weapons BUT Russia plans to use them - Marco Rubio

Also, for reference, here's that video I mentioned above:


And I Geo-located it, just to ensure everything checks out:

There are so much talk about Russians staging Chemical/Biological attack on Mariupol or Kiev to move their stalled offensive. (Not my words)

Some US politicians are claiming that it will be NATO's red line and they will get involved.

How likely for is for this to happen? Is it possible for it to stay as conventional conflict or it will escalate even further?