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    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #5

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    Post  Regular Mon Mar 07, 2022 7:42 pm

    d_taddei2 wrote:
    The Minister of Economy is Lithuanian;
    The former president of Georgia was the governor of Odessa;


    That Lithuanian guy is as Lithuanian as you are. Same as Zelensky is Ukrainian.

    No longer in power, but still member of various boards and keeps taking Ukrainian money. I wonder how many people are soaking up in money and doing nothing in Ukraine.

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    Post  miketheterrible Mon Mar 07, 2022 7:45 pm

    DerWolf wrote:
    Arkanghelsk wrote:Flaming, situation have not change really

    Russia was junior partner with west, at least China dont talk to Russia disrespectfully

    China better for Russia


    What impact have had the recent sanctions in the daily life of normal Russians?

    Besides luxury cars and shit, the real big one is actually microprocessors and gpus.

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    Post  JohninMK Mon Mar 07, 2022 7:48 pm

    flamming_python wrote:There is something profoundly absurd about this vid

    https://t.me/istorijaoruzija/40786

    A slowly moving armored Z-train in Kherson oblast passing by while a couple of locals yell obscenities at it

    Is that a power station nuclear fuel train? Commerce must go on Laughing
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    Post  miketheterrible Mon Mar 07, 2022 7:48 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    d_taddei2 wrote:Not my words copied elsewhere but interesting points. I see the Ukrainian cabinet more of a comedy show


    While Russian-Ukrainian war is ongoing, let's take a look at the composition of the Ukrainian government:
    The core decision-making inner circle of Ukrainian President Zelensky is actually based on his circle of friends when he was an actor.
    1. The Chief of Staff of the Presidential Palace, Andre Yemark, is a comedy producer;
    2. The head of the Presidential Administration, Andre Bodin, is a lawyer in the entertainment industry;
    3. The president's chief policy adviser, Sergey Sheffey, is a comedy writer;
    4. Ivan Bakanov, deputy chairman of the Ukrainian Supreme Intelligence Service, is the boss of a comedy film company;
    5. Senior adviser to the Ukrainian National Defense Committee, Sergei Sivoko, is also a comedian and is Zelensky's partner in acting.
    If you just look at their resume, you can't tell whether it is a film and television company or a country's decision-making body.
    Why has Ukraine completely ignored the geopolitical relations of major powers over the years? It seems that homeland security and national development have nothing to do with these politicians-because it really doesn't matter, they are basically not Ukrainians.
    Because Ukraine recognizes dual nationality, 80% of senior government officials are American, and 90% of the wealth and people of the rich are in London or Switzerland.
    The female health minister of Ukraine is the most typical example. She was born in the United States. Before 2013, she was an American general doctor. She went to Ukraine in 2013, naturalized in Ukraine in 2015, and was promoted to Deputy Minister of Health in 2016.  In 2019, Zelensky defied all opposition and was appointed health minister.
    The three ministers appointed by Ukraine's parliament in November 2014 are all foreigners:
    The Secretary of the Treasury is American;
    The Minister of Health is Georgian;
    The Minister of Economy is Lithuanian;
    The former president of Georgia was the governor of Odessa;


    Tragicomedy

    While Russia plays what part. Macbeth, Hamlet?

    If a settlement is not reached, the Ukraine is doomed, Russia is doomed, Europe is doomed.
    It's Asia's century now. It has started 12 days ago

    Even if Russia wins quick, the hate won't go away. Not in Europe, and it won't be looked upon kindly by its other neighbours. The sanctions won't be lifted either. Even if the West is also fatally wounded, it will still take down Russia with it. I think Russia is destined for decline, one way or the other.

    What?

    Asia is mostly on your side besides Taiwan and Japan and South Korea. To which South Korea is not joining sanctions.

    The two biggest players in the world in population is India and China and both have rather made it clear they are against sanctions and blame the west for this event.

    I know your dumb racist ass thinks it's all EU or nothing, but in reality, EU is a spent force. Yeah, Russia will have trouble for next year with semiconductors and such, but eventually that will get sorted out with replacements from China and possibly domestic development and advancements.

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    Post  d_taddei2 Mon Mar 07, 2022 7:49 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    d_taddei2 wrote:Not my words copied elsewhere but interesting points. I see the Ukrainian cabinet more of a comedy show


    While Russian-Ukrainian war is ongoing, let's take a look at the composition of the Ukrainian government:
    The core decision-making inner circle of Ukrainian President Zelensky is actually based on his circle of friends when he was an actor.
    1. The Chief of Staff of the Presidential Palace, Andre Yemark, is a comedy producer;
    2. The head of the Presidential Administration, Andre Bodin, is a lawyer in the entertainment industry;
    3. The president's chief policy adviser, Sergey Sheffey, is a comedy writer;
    4. Ivan Bakanov, deputy chairman of the Ukrainian Supreme Intelligence Service, is the boss of a comedy film company;
    5. Senior adviser to the Ukrainian National Defense Committee, Sergei Sivoko, is also a comedian and is Zelensky's partner in acting.
    If you just look at their resume, you can't tell whether it is a film and television company or a country's decision-making body.
    Why has Ukraine completely ignored the geopolitical relations of major powers over the years? It seems that homeland security and national development have nothing to do with these politicians-because it really doesn't matter, they are basically not Ukrainians.
    Because Ukraine recognizes dual nationality, 80% of senior government officials are American, and 90% of the wealth and people of the rich are in London or Switzerland.
    The female health minister of Ukraine is the most typical example. She was born in the United States. Before 2013, she was an American general doctor. She went to Ukraine in 2013, naturalized in Ukraine in 2015, and was promoted to Deputy Minister of Health in 2016.  In 2019, Zelensky defied all opposition and was appointed health minister.
    The three ministers appointed by Ukraine's parliament in November 2014 are all foreigners:
    The Secretary of the Treasury is American;
    The Minister of Health is Georgian;
    The Minister of Economy is Lithuanian;
    The former president of Georgia was the governor of Odessa;


    Tragicomedy

    While Russia plays what part. Macbeth, Hamlet?

    If a settlement is not reached, the Ukraine is doomed, Russia is doomed, Europe is doomed.
    It's Asia's century now. It has started 12 days ago

    Even if Russia wins quick, the hate won't go away. Not in Europe, and it won't be looked upon kindly by its other neighbours. The sanctions won't be lifted either. Even if the West is also fatally wounded, it will still take down Russia with it. I think Russia is destined for decline, one way or the other.

    Give it a year the west will be quietly lifting those sanctions and Russian gas, oil, wheat, potash, aluminium, Titanium etc will be back. EU today with their FOURTH round of sanctions stated that sberbank still won't be sanctioned lol! The question here is not how long can Russia hold out, but how long can other countries hold out for. You have to remember Russia has been surviving for last 8yrs with sanctions and in that time prepared itself for more sanctions making moves to sanction proof itself, while the west has done nothing like this. Instead increasing demand for gas and was willing to accept NS2. Which has been suspended only. Some of the wealthiest countries in Europe, UK and USA will weather the sanctions a bit better and can dip into reserve's but countries like the Baltic's, Romania, Bulgaria, etc will struggle greatly. And German energy needs. Europe can't easily replace Russian gas and oil and other resources. Russia however can sell to other countries, and store resources. A few facts for u.

    UK just bought $2bn worth of Russian gas through the backdoor system. Russia and Ukraine produce 29% (combined) of the worlds wheat and 75% of the world's sunflower oil. Russia and Belarus 2nd and 3rd largest producers of potash in the world, Russia 3rd biggest Aluminium exporter, and 3rd titanium in world. And of course number 1 in world for gas production is Russia, and number 2 oil production. Gas is at its highest now $3,400 PCM, All that can't be replaced overnight. To note people forget anything Ukraine was producing and exporting is also affected around the globe.


    Research conducted by the “Jang Group and Geo Television Network” reveals that the United States has been at war for about 225 of the 243 years since its inception in 1776. Maybe the world should be looking at the real warmonger.

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    Post  Regular Mon Mar 07, 2022 7:50 pm

    flamming_python wrote: I think Russia is destined for decline, one way or the other.

    Decline? Maybe stagnation. And yes, Asia will dominate the economic world anyway. It is important that Russian will be dealing in the position of power rather than becoming Chinese vasal.

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    Post  Vann7 Mon Mar 07, 2022 7:53 pm

    flamming_python wrote:There is something profoundly absurd about this vid

    https://t.me/istorijaoruzija/40786

    A slowly moving armored Z-train in Kherson oblast passing by while a couple of locals yell obscenities at it


    that's actually sad to watch .. those civilians actually feel bad for the russian invasion on their territory.
    But this is because they are brainwashed by the nazi propaganda of kiev..  Putin needs to take control of all ukraine TV anthenas and radio and transmit russian media explaining civilians , that russia is not
    their enemy ,that they will only in ukraine to stop the 8 years war of kiev vs their own citizens ,and that new elections will be done if ukrainians so desire for a government that represent them.

    Russia can significantly reduce the hostilities of ukrainians if they start to transmit information using ukraine traditional tv channels and invite civilians to ask questions to their military.. is with education that civilians will understand that russia was left with no option but invading to prevent ukraine from comitting suicide , by joining NATO.

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    Post  Scorpius Mon Mar 07, 2022 8:01 pm

    I see too much crying here about the allegedly failed military operation of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. Gentlemen, I urge you to think very carefully before making such statements. The "heavy losses" of the Russian army at the moment are approximately 1:10 in relation to the losses of the Ukrainian army. This is despite the fact that the Russian grouping of troops on the territory of Ukraine is about half the size of the Ukrainian grouping.
    To this are added: the requirements for the maximum preservation of civilian infrastructure, as well as the need to withdraw civilians from the combat zone.
    I do not remember a single military operation with such tasks on such a territory and with such a number of belligerent armies.
    In addition, I remind you that the operation itself lasts less than two weeks at the moment, and Ukraine has actually lost a significant part of its territories. Another couple of days, and a group of Ukrainian troops numbering more than 50,000 people will fall into the encirclement near Donetsk and Lugansk.
    What I am witnessing at the moment is one of the most lightning-fast operations to defeat the enemy in history. Just do not forget that Ukraine is a part of the USSR, with all the consequences that follow from this: strategic school, training of officers, saturation of troops with armored vehicles and heavy weapons - even if they are already obsolete. And they had 8 years to prepare.

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    Post  Firebird Mon Mar 07, 2022 8:06 pm

    d_taddei2 wrote:Not my words copied elsewhere but interesting points. I see the Ukrainian cabinet more of a comedy show


    While Russian-Ukrainian war is ongoing, let's take a look at the composition of the Ukrainian government:
    The core decision-making inner circle of Ukrainian President Zelensky is actually based on his circle of friends when he was an actor.
    1. The Chief of Staff of the Presidential Palace, Andre Yemark, is a comedy producer;
    2. The head of the Presidential Administration, Andre Bodin, is a lawyer in the entertainment industry;
    3. The president's chief policy adviser, Sergey Sheffey, is a comedy writer;
    4. Ivan Bakanov, deputy chairman of the Ukrainian Supreme Intelligence Service, is the boss of a comedy film company;
    5. Senior adviser to the Ukrainian National Defense Committee, Sergei Sivoko, is also a comedian and is Zelensky's partner in acting.
    If you just look at their resume, you can't tell whether it is a film and television company or a country's decision-making body.
    Why has Ukraine completely ignored the geopolitical relations of major powers over the years? It seems that homeland security and national development have nothing to do with these politicians-because it really doesn't matter, they are basically not Ukrainians.
    Because Ukraine recognizes dual nationality, 80% of senior government officials are American, and 90% of the wealth and people of the rich are in London or Switzerland.
    The female health minister of Ukraine is the most typical example. She was born in the United States. Before 2013, she was an American general doctor. She went to Ukraine in 2013, naturalized in Ukraine in 2015, and was promoted to Deputy Minister of Health in 2016.  In 2019, Zelensky defied all opposition and was appointed health minister.
    The three ministers appointed by Ukraine's parliament in November 2014 are all foreigners:
    The Secretary of the Treasury is American;
    The Minister of Health is Georgian;
    The Minister of Economy is Lithuanian;
    The former president of Georgia was the governor of Odessa;


    Whats even more disturbing is the amount of actual Nazis or similar Fascists/"nationalists" in key positions. Military, security forces, cops, education, city mayors, oblast governors etc etc.
    It surprised even me. Of course in the West, Azov etc are rarely if ever mentioned, and even then are portrayed as some tiny tiny fringe group. But in reality, they are the major force of Uncle Sham.
    Its straight out of the 1970s CIA Central America/Africa playbook.

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    Post  JohninMK Mon Mar 07, 2022 8:10 pm

    There are Ukrainian claims that General-major Vitaly Gerasimov, deputy commander of Russian 41st army, was killed near Kharkiv, Ukrainian Main Intelligence Directorate said. This is Russia’s second general KIA within the last 11 days. https://gur.gov.ua/content/pid-kh

    They say they picked up the intel from intercepts. Both this General and the one last week were apparently deputies in the 41st Army.

    One day we will know if this is true.
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    Post  miketheterrible Mon Mar 07, 2022 8:24 pm

    JohninMK wrote:There are Ukrainian claims that General-major Vitaly Gerasimov, deputy commander of Russian 41st army, was killed near Kharkiv, Ukrainian Main Intelligence Directorate said. This is Russia’s second general KIA within the last 11 days. https://gur.gov.ua/content/pid-kh

    They say they picked up the intel from intercepts. Both this General and the one last week were apparently deputies in the 41st Army.

    One day we will know if this is true.

    If true, I'm impressed Russian generals goes into the field. Ours hide in bunkers.

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    Post  Regular Mon Mar 07, 2022 8:27 pm

    Confirmation of such high ranking KIA's are usually made very quickly. I doubt this is real, he is too high ranking to even be near battlefield

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Mon Mar 07, 2022 8:29 pm

    DerWolf wrote:
    Arkanghelsk wrote:Flaming, situation have not change really

    Russia was junior partner with west, at least China dont talk to Russia disrespectfully

    China better for Russia


    What impact have had the recent sanctions in the daily life of normal Russians?

    Not much,  aside from not watching athletes in competitions or travel plans 

    Internal life and payments remain the same, 

    The fallout for large corporations will be rectified by new agreements with CIPS, And SPFS

    For the average person, life will go on, most vacation destinations of Russians will remain the same, Thailand, Turkey, And Asia will grow

    Oligarchs wont be able to go to Europe unless they renounce Russian identity 

    Business wise oil soaring is a good thing, and new contracts will be made with Asia

    Europe and Russian business will wind down , depending on EU future steps, but Russia cannot have eggs in that basket

    Aviation, smartphones, and all that crap will be replaced 

    All in all, for Russia the plan is the same, restructure the economy and substitute imports, trade with China soared this week alone, integration proceeds alarmingly fast

    The US market is taking a beating and energy is soaring

    Idk wtf they did all this for, when they wont give EU membership or even planes to Ukraine

    It was for nothing, all they had to do was sign a fucking paper , but life goes on 

    Net winner : China

    Russia : got hit but proceeds on same plan

    EU: cut their balls off

    US : given China lead

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    Post  kvs Mon Mar 07, 2022 8:29 pm

    JohninMK wrote:There are Ukrainian claims that General-major Vitaly Gerasimov, deputy commander of Russian 41st army, was killed near Kharkiv, Ukrainian Main Intelligence Directorate said. This is Russia’s second general KIA within the last 11 days. https://gur.gov.ua/content/pid-kh

    They say they picked up the intel from intercepts. Both this General and the one last week were apparently deputies in the 41st Army.

    One day we will know if this is true.

    Fake news.

    There was a Stanislav Gerasimov from Tatarstan who was killed.

    Wikipedia had an update on this alleged death before it was being advertised by the Khuyiv regime. Coordinated fake news.

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    Post  Isos Mon Mar 07, 2022 8:30 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:
    DerWolf wrote:
    Arkanghelsk wrote:Flaming, situation have not change really

    Russia was junior partner with west, at least China dont talk to Russia disrespectfully

    China better for Russia


    What impact have had the recent sanctions in the daily life of normal Russians?

    Besides luxury cars and shit, the real big one is actually microprocessors and gpus.

    Lol I doubt. You can find that on alibaba easily.

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Mon Mar 07, 2022 8:32 pm

    flamming_python wrote:

    Tragicomedy

    While Russia plays what part. Macbeth, Hamlet?


    Shakespeare



    If a settlement is not reached, the Ukraine is doomed, Russia is doomed, Europe is doomed.
    It's Asia's century now. It has started 12 days ago

    no shit. Asia's century started long ago current war is only a trigger. And actually wins on this change. The biggest problem imho are people like yourself. Yep. Europe is not center of the world, America is more less equal to China.

    SI west strong economically? sure, why? their "intellectual property" + reserve currencies being supported by mighty US army. And what when $ stops to be used by half of the world? and Russia kept outside western economies doesn't give a **** about IPR and just copies whatever can be copied? How strong their system will be?


    That's why they are so mad about this war. West has no more levers of influence on Russia besides military ones. Thus technically none. Russia can stop paying anything to west, nationalize their companies , reverse technologies. Nothing can prevent that in case of big sanctions.






    FlamingPython wrote:
    Even if Russia wins quick, the hate won't go away. Not in Europe, and it won't be looked upon kindly by its other neighbours. The sanctions won't be lifted either. Even if the West is also fatally wounded, it will still take down Russia with it. I think Russia is destined for decline, one way or the other.

    Europe, USA? Japan? the whole west constitutes of ~ 11% of the worlds population Damn and only remaining 88% doesn't hate Russia? Then Russia must be fucked with development or not?
    Hate can be created like now, can be changed to love with the help right tools.

    The reason for such hate wave towards Russia is to keep their colonial status forever. Consider it Russian war of independence from 90s, colonial economical model, dollar based economy and west living oligarchs.









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    Post  d_taddei2 Mon Mar 07, 2022 8:36 pm

    Scorpius wrote:I see too much crying here about the allegedly failed military operation of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. Gentlemen, I urge you to think very carefully before making such statements. The "heavy losses" of the Russian army at the moment are approximately 1:10 in relation to the losses of the Ukrainian army. This is despite the fact that the Russian grouping of troops on the territory of Ukraine is about half the size of the Ukrainian grouping.
    To this are added: the requirements for the maximum preservation of civilian infrastructure, as well as the need to withdraw civilians from the combat zone.
    I do not remember a single military operation with such tasks on such a territory and with such a number of belligerent armies.
    In addition, I remind you that the operation itself lasts less than two weeks at the moment, and Ukraine has actually lost a significant part of its territories. Another couple of days, and a group of Ukrainian troops numbering more than 50,000 people will fall into the encirclement near Donetsk and Lugansk.
    What I am witnessing at the moment is one of the most lightning-fast operations to defeat the enemy in history. Just do not forget that Ukraine is a part of the USSR, with all the consequences that follow from this: strategic school, training of officers, saturation of troops with armored vehicles and heavy weapons - even if they are already obsolete. And they had 8 years to prepare.

    What you tend to find is everyone will compare this war to other NATO wars, completely forgetting about the troop numbers used in NATO wars, as well as the equipment, number of bombs, missiles, and money spent. And let's not forget the sheer destruction caused to infrastructure and civilian death toll. While Russia is pretty much doing this on its own, with a small number of milita from two breakaway regions and land access from Belarus, and no NATO campaign had numerous countries supplying vast amount arms, aid, money and mercenaries while facing sanctions against any country it invaded. The level of progress is pretty good for such a large country and number of forces they are up against. The Russians are fighting a tough battle when take everything into consideration.

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    Post  kvs Mon Mar 07, 2022 8:45 pm

    New wave of propaganda predictions about a major assault on Kiev in the next 24 hours (Fox News, etc.)

    The only major assault will be the closing of the Donbass cauldron.

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    Post  Big_Gazza Mon Mar 07, 2022 9:03 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:Russian special military operation in Ukraine #5 - Page 9 Screen33

    Noose is tightening ...

    All I see is two Ukropi testicles being squeezed relentlessly until they finally rupture. I imagine that such will not be a pleasant experience to the owners of said gonads... Twisted Evil

    russia

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    Post  kvs Mon Mar 07, 2022 9:08 pm

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    Arkanghelsk wrote:https://i.servimg.com/u/f83/20/39/25/54/screen33.jpg

    Noose is tightening ...

    All I see is two Ukropi testicles being squeezed relentlessly until they finally rupture.  I imagine that such will not be a pleasant experience to the owners of said gonads...  Twisted Evil

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    These are the testicles of the pig from the previous graphic of the Ukr pig being chomped on by the Russian bear.

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    Post  Broski Mon Mar 07, 2022 9:10 pm

    Vann7 wrote:Russia can significantly reduce the hostilities of ukrainians if they start to transmit information using ukraine traditional tv channels and invite civilians to ask questions to their military.. is with education that civilians will understand that russia was left with no option but invading to prevent ukraine from comitting suicide , by joining NATO.
    Your 1st mistake is thinking they care about the truth or are honest enough with themselves to understand how they left Russia with no other choice than the military one. They don't care, they never will. Russia in their eyes will always be the big bully pushing them around and the main reason why most of them are poor living shitty, unfulfilled lives. 

    But it's not Russia's job to win the hearts and minds (do they have either?) of the Orcrainians. It's not Russia's job to bottle feed and burp them, change their soiled diapers and wipe their ass either. Russia's job is to demilitarize and denazify the country, period. What they do with themselves after they've locked up the rabid Neonazis, sign Neutral Status (meaning no NATO membership) into constitutional law and concede Crimea, LPR & the DPR territories is their choice. At this rate Country 404 will cease to exist by 2023.

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    Post  Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E Mon Mar 07, 2022 9:17 pm

    [quote="Vann7"]
    d_taddei2 wrote:
    i have no doubts that russian army is very poorly trained for modern wars..  look the catastrophic performance of russian military in armenian conflict recently.those drones wiped very easily russian tors and buks and s-300s.. no problem for those israeli and turkish drones ,  not even the russian army hellicopters could fly safely inside armenian airspace. incompetence.   [/u]


    Syria have not TorM1/2
    Please tell no fairy tales here.
    Syrians have PanzirM1

    Israel avoids very strong TorM1. See also immediate attack on the Iranian TorM1 what was destroyed immediately after arrival (it was not in operation at T3.

    Russia did not give Syria no TorM1. Because Israel did everything that this did not happen.
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    Post  JohninMK Mon Mar 07, 2022 9:22 pm

    Strategy working in Russia's eyes. Bomb at night and peace in the day?

    #FLASH—#IMPORTANT—#Russia announces that it will maintain a ceasefire regime from 10:00, March 8, 2022 to allow civilians from #Kiev, #Kharkov, #Chernigov, #Sumy, & #Mariupol to evacuate these cities.

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    Post  JohninMK Mon Mar 07, 2022 9:24 pm

    kvs wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:There are Ukrainian claims that General-major Vitaly Gerasimov, deputy commander of Russian 41st army, was killed near Kharkiv, Ukrainian Main Intelligence Directorate said. This is Russia’s second general KIA within the last 11 days. https://gur.gov.ua/content/pid-kh

    They say they picked up the intel from intercepts. Both this General and the one last week were apparently deputies in the 41st Army.

    One day we will know if this is true.

    Fake news.

    There was a Stanislav Gerasimov from Tatarstan who was killed.

    Wikipedia had an update on this alleged death before it was being advertised by the Khuyiv regime.   Coordinated fake news.


    Thanks, further confirmation. Do we know if the other General was actually killed?


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    #IMPORTANT—#FAKENEWS—Information published by the #Ukraine|ian Chief Intelligence Directorate contending that Major-General Vitaly #Gerasimov has been killed (captured, wounded, etc.) is false.

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    Post  kvs Mon Mar 07, 2022 9:34 pm

    I did not see any details on that case. So it is possible that it was not fake news. But the spew of fakes coming out of Kiev is
    so over the top that it is really hard to take any claim seriously. Loss of high ranking officers is not consistent with the losses
    on the Russian side so far.

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