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    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #5

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    Post  Vann7 Mon Mar 07, 2022 4:35 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:
    kvs wrote:So the Russian jet shot down over Kharkov yesterday was bombing the tank factory.   It did a lot of damage but why the f*ck
    is Russia not using missiles?

    Optical guidance by buk and Tor is formidable, without MAWS you wont know it's coming

    High altitude flight I doubt is restricted because Ukraine dont have long range AD anymore , it's also easy to evade

    VKS avoiding high altitude gefest bombing is due to civilian risks I believe 

    VKS understands that civilians may be close to the conflict zone, so they fly low and try to hit precisely even with unguided bombs

    I think a tactical improvement would help rather than technology

    Sort of like if a su34 will be low, cover him higher up with su30 or additional su34

    Fly CAP over the CAS missions,  if pilot goes down cover him by striking the lone buk, and then cover the buddy on ground until evac

    With optical guidance, I think the missiles are sti cued by RF command guidance, like a ATGM is, but those command guidance is quiet, not enough emissions to detect

    this is right on the borders of russia.. Russia can jam to hell communications in that city , if they had any general there with a bit more brains ,they will do it. . so any missile fired by anything in the ground will lose radio connection and will miss. what piss me more about all this planes loses ,is when they happen right in russian borders.. when russia have millions of ways to block and jam any kind of communications in that city , right next to russian borders..

    so either the general staff have becomes idiots.. or their jamming trucks are only in very limited quantities and they reserving them for a major war with NATO. Which ever is the case.. what russia should learn from all this su-34 shots ,is that those tactics needs to change them.. is not worth of it destroying a soviet junk base and losing a valuable bomber. in just 2 months at this pace of loses , russia can lose their entire su-34 planes formation. No

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Mon Mar 07, 2022 4:36 pm

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Mon Mar 07, 2022 4:42 pm

    Isos wrote:Buk has radar on each launchers. Once they spot an aircraft visually they turn it on and shoot. Su-34 has a huge rcs, it is easy to track.

    It doesn't need to do all the kill passively. If it can destroy an aircraft in matter of less than 1 min it will survive.

    There is no magical tool. Either hunt and destroy them with drones or get more planes get destroyed.

    Another solution is to send special ops to destroy them on the ground.
    ISOS if it was radar guided then planes would have warning

    I think optical is the method they are using 

    It's hard to find them hiding with drones

    I think a regiment equipped with some kind of DAS /MAWS system would work well in environment that is protected by passive tracking systems

    Its expensive but worth it for aircraft in those heavy AD areas that could use last second alert from DAS or MAWS

    It could increase survivability but those systems would have to be tested after the war

    I know su25sm3 possessed some kind of system like this, but maybe tests were not conclusive
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    Post  Isos Mon Mar 07, 2022 4:51 pm

    It's not a big issue if the aircraft has a RWR as long as he is close enough in the no escape zone.

    Once the missile is launched it's a metter of few second before the hit.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Mon Mar 07, 2022 4:52 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:https://t.me/c/1565308697/323

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    The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation reported that the United States invested over $ 200 million in biological laboratories in Ukraine

    The agency published information on the infrastructure of "US-funded biological laboratories on the territory of Ukraine"

    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/13994597




    The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation announced that they destroyed 2,396 objects of the military infrastructure of Ukraine

    Bomber and assault aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces hit three Buk-M1 anti-aircraft missile systems and two radar stations of the Armed Forces of Ukraine

    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/13991223

    MOSCOW, 7 March. /TASS/. In total, 2,396 military infrastructure facilities of Ukraine were destroyed during the special operation. This was announced to journalists on Monday by the official representative of the Russian Defense Ministry, Major General Igor Konashenkov.

    "In total, 2,396 military infrastructure facilities of Ukraine were destroyed during the operation. Among them were 82 command posts and communication centers of the Ukrainian armed forces, 119 S-300, Buk-M1 and Osa anti-aircraft missile systems, as well as 76 radar stations. ", - he said.

    According to him, 827 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 84 multiple launch rocket systems, 304 field artillery and mortar guns, 603 units of special military vehicles, as well as 78 unmanned aerial vehicles were also destroyed.


    APU losses
    In addition, the Russian armed forces destroyed three Su-27 fighters of the Ukrainian Air Force in the Poltava region, one Su-25 attack aircraft in the Gostomel region and two Mi-24 helicopters in the Makarov region.

    "Last night, fighter aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces and military air defense shot down three more Su-27s of the Ukrainian Air Force in the Poltava region, one Su-25 in the Gostomel region, two Mi-24 helicopters in the Makarov region and eight unmanned aerial vehicles, including including Bayraktar TB-2,” he said.

    Bomber and assault aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces hit three Buk-M1 anti-aircraft missile systems and two radar stations of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. "Bomber and assault aircraft hit three Buk M1 anti-aircraft missile systems and two radar stations of the Armed Forces of Ukraine," he said.

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    Post  Mir Mon Mar 07, 2022 4:53 pm

    EkErilaz wrote:
    Nope that is a still from video that surfaced day one, of a shot down ka-52

    At first it was reported as Ka-52 but it was later verified as Ukr Mig-29.

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    Post  Isos Mon Mar 07, 2022 4:55 pm

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    Germany and the Netherlands oppose Ukraine's accession to the EU

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Mon Mar 07, 2022 4:56 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    Arkanghelsk wrote:https://t.me/c/1565308697/323

    https://t.me/c/1565308697/322

    https://t.me/c/1565308697/321

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    The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation reported that the United States invested over $ 200 million in biological laboratories in Ukraine

    The agency published information on the infrastructure of "US-funded biological laboratories on the territory of Ukraine"

    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/13994597




    The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation announced that they destroyed 2,396 objects of the military infrastructure of Ukraine

    Bomber and assault aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces hit three Buk-M1 anti-aircraft missile systems and two radar stations of the Armed Forces of Ukraine

    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/13991223

    MOSCOW, 7 March. /TASS/. In total, 2,396 military infrastructure facilities of Ukraine were destroyed during the special operation. This was announced to journalists on Monday by the official representative of the Russian Defense Ministry, Major General Igor Konashenkov.

    "In total, 2,396 military infrastructure facilities of Ukraine were destroyed during the operation. Among them were 82 command posts and communication centers of the Ukrainian armed forces, 119 S-300, Buk-M1 and Osa anti-aircraft missile systems, as well as 76 radar stations. ", - he said.

    According to him, 827 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 84 multiple launch rocket systems, 304 field artillery and mortar guns, 603 units of special military vehicles, as well as 78 unmanned aerial vehicles were also destroyed.


    APU losses
    In addition, the Russian armed forces destroyed three Su-27 fighters of the Ukrainian Air Force in the Poltava region, one Su-25 attack aircraft in the Gostomel region and two Mi-24 helicopters in the Makarov region.

    "Last night, fighter aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces and military air defense shot down three more Su-27s of the Ukrainian Air Force in the Poltava region, one Su-25 in the Gostomel region, two Mi-24 helicopters in the Makarov region and eight unmanned aerial vehicles, including including Bayraktar TB-2,” he said.

    Bomber and assault aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces hit three Buk-M1 anti-aircraft missile systems and two radar stations of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. "Bomber and assault aircraft hit three Buk M1 anti-aircraft missile systems and two radar stations of the Armed Forces of Ukraine," he said.

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    Post  Sujoy Mon Mar 07, 2022 5:12 pm

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    The Kremlin carefully studied the mistakes of the first Chechen war, and their forces were able to make key improvements in a number of areas. Although little of the effort was geared to urban combat, the impact was nonetheless felt in the 1999–2000 battle for Grozny.

    It seems probable that, given time and determination, Moscow can “succeed” in Ukraine. But key to such success is their preponderance of manpower and firepower. Thus, they must choose between destroying the region, settling in for an extended and bloody occupation, or some equally unpleasant combination of the two. The Ukranian Nazis are counting on them to decide that Ukraine is not worth the cost.

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    Post  Vann7 Mon Mar 07, 2022 5:12 pm

    d_taddei2 wrote:I think what we have learned is that it's not always the most sophisticated method of AD systems that are lethal. And just how dangerous Soviet systems are even when operating on their own initiative. And how difficult they are to take out.  .


    not really..


    Syria is way superior defended its airspace , it have everything that kalinigrada nd crimea fortress have of russian military and still the israel aifroce manage for 8 years to strike with success by just using 4 planes , they nearly always hit syria and escape and have been extremely successful in destroying weapons depots of munition , even right next to russian airbase.. as it happened when
    the russian airforce spy plane was shut down..

    what we witness today , is how over rated was the russian army.. it is strong but not very efficient.
    Russian airforce if it face problems in third world country ukraine , how much worse it will be flying
    over tiny country like israel ? No

    The russian general staff needs to be fired ,for how mediocre their airforce have performed..
    The can't fucking target a military base right there in their fucking borders , with a cruise missile and needs to send a plane that is later shut down? No

    this is horrible... what the russian military is doing.. because this is ukraine ..a third world nation ,just using manpads and soviet era buks ,can take down russian airplannes ,that ukraine soviet era air defenses can guide their missiles to hit russian planes.. without any jamming.

    Russia should better hire israel airforce to do their job and disable their air defenses.. that supposedly shoigu claimed was neutralized in the first day of the war. Neutral  No

    i only see very poor tactics -

    - sending soldiers with light guns to the front line ,versus armor that ukraine have lots of it.
    -sending convoys the first week without close air support.  Shocked
    - allowing ukraine army to freely move inside cities and ambush their forces  when enter cities , something that attack drones or loteiring munition could stop ,
    - losing armor for lack of fuel.  No
    - not using airforce against stretched ukros military positions in donbass..  how is that possible?
    to hold a line anywhere in any place in the world ,if you have enemy airforce in control of airspace?
    throw incendiary bombs idiots... the smoke and chemicals will force them to abandom their bunkers.

    very unimppresed with russian army performance , they better not fight a any nato nation ,because will be much worse. all this stupid artillery duels , are outdated soviet era combat.. you can't use artillery if the enemy have considerable amount of attack drones to take them down.  at best portable mortars can be used ,if you hide.. but all those heavy artillery can only be used when enemy no longer have an airforce or drones to fight back..  because nato is arming ukraine , the ukies will never be out of drones anytime soon.

    i have no doubts that russian army is very poorly trained for modern wars..  look the catastrophic performance of russian military in armenian conflict recently.those drones wiped very easily russian tors and buks and s-300s.. no problem for those israeli and turkish drones ,  not even the russian army hellicopters could fly safely inside armenian airspace. incompetence.   after incompetence now the same embarrassment repeats again in ukraine.   Russia needs a hell of a lot of improvements in the way the military fight.. they need combined fighting between soldier ,armor , combat jets and drones. it should be shocking to see how 30 special forces of russia , was fighting in kherson , that even toy drones could approach them from their rear flank.. if those were military drones , those 30 soldiers will have been all of them killed ,for mediocre tactics. russia needs a very strong drone attack force.. no less than israel and they need to always stay in the air , covering their forces in the ground. Having a lots of variety in drones is pointless if they build in extremely low quantities.

    Future wars will be decided by air domination at all times , and with major focus in the massive use of drones (at all times ) 24 hours a day , for and complete suppression of enemy positions below.


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    Post  Arkanghelsk Mon Mar 07, 2022 5:20 pm

    Vann, calm down man, take chill pill

    It's got little to do with capability and more to do with execution

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    Post  lyle6 Mon Mar 07, 2022 5:21 pm

    kvs wrote:https://t.me/ssigny/9566

    Spooky numerology.


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    Makes you wanna grab a horse and good length of pike.
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    Post  EkErilaz Mon Mar 07, 2022 5:33 pm

    Mir wrote:
    EkErilaz wrote:
    Nope that is a still from video that surfaced day one, of a shot down ka-52

    At first it was reported as Ka-52 but it was later verified as Ukr Mig-29.

    It is very strange that the person in the video say it is a "Vertushki", then...
    But what do i know, maybe they build migs-29 that fly at only 200kmh at 30-40 meters now. don't fall for the propaganda even if it is in favour of your opinion.

    EDIT: Actually you might be correct, I rewatched the video and they say "somalyot", so it might be correct.
    and it would also explain why it was only one parachute. The people that film sure think it is a russian plane, but to be honest i do not trust civilians in ID ing a thing like that


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    Post  ALAMO Mon Mar 07, 2022 5:35 pm

    So let me summarize ...
    In 11 days of operations, including two days of functional ceasfire, and the very first 4 days fighting with one hand tied, against the biggest army in Europe, armed up to the teeths, Russkies did the following :

    1. claimed the area on size with the UK,
    2. broke the neck of the air defence bigger&more complex/modern that France/Germany/Poland combined,
    3. brought down the entire AF of Ukraine, that was on pair with Polish,
    4. sinked the whole remaining Ukr fleet,
    5. surrounded the capital,
    6. established beachhead for further operations up&down Dnepr river, with LPDs full of marines hanging in a sight of Odessa, and having Dnestr in operation depth,
    7. erased about 70% of the armored gear of the opponent,
    8. blocked the bulk of Ukrainian land forces in fiver surrounded pots, boiling them now,

    Did I missed anything? scratch

    Yet they are obviously loosing The Second Twitter War. scratch

    Gee Shocked


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    Post  Hole Mon Mar 07, 2022 5:57 pm

    Sujoy wrote:
    Hole wrote: including stuff to better protect convoys/rear services like the Tornado family of armored truck, Gibka-S
    Pantsir is accompanying Russian convoys. Gibka-S will play more or less the same role.

    What purpose will Tornado trucks serve? Instead  the current set of Russian T-72, BMPs, BMDs BTRs need to be protected with Slat Armour and APS

    Tornado is a name for a whole family of armored trucks. For different purposes, including logistics. Related to the Taifuns.
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    Post  kvs Mon Mar 07, 2022 6:03 pm

    The experimental isotope reactor in Kharkov has been destroyed. So far no radiation leaks. But expect more NATzO hysteria.

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    Post  lyle6 Mon Mar 07, 2022 6:05 pm

    This been posted here?

    Putin's speech:
    https://russiaun.ru/en/news/240222

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    Post  kvs Mon Mar 07, 2022 6:13 pm

    The story about Ukria sinking a Russian navy ship is a pure fake. It is recycle video of the fire on the Helt which they attacked
    a few days ago. The Vasily Bykov was not involved.

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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg Mon Mar 07, 2022 6:15 pm

    How strong is Ukrainian army compared to Bundeswehr or French army?
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    Post  nomadski Mon Mar 07, 2022 6:24 pm


    Yet they negotiate . Is there in Ukraine a legitimate authority ? Then why go to war with legitimate authority ? If no legitimate authority , then why negotiate ? Are the coup regime legitimate ? Are the Nazis legitimate ? If the Nazis tactically recognise LDPR and declare neutrality , who in their right mind should believe them ? Did they stick to Minsk ? Is there any more prospect of peace now , after all the killings , than before the special operations ? Yet they negotiate , and through negotiations legitimise the Nazi coup regime !

    Some say a referendum should determine the future shape of Ukraine . In ideal circumstances , a democracy returns the better solutions . But there is no chance of a meaningful vote now or in near future . Now there is war , and votes are counted in bullets . And to the winner go the spoils . Circumstances , call on Russia to decide the fate of the region . And a two state solution becomes obvious . One Ukrainian speaking in the West , and another Russian speaking in the East .

    Both states must be viable , allowing development of these nations , economic futures . Therefore keeping West Ukraine , viable and free , and prosperous , shall ensure a happy population , less likely to fall into weakness and extremism or servitude to NATO . Therefore West Ukraine should have access to the Black Sea . It needs a big port and it needs equal access to water resources of Denieper River , and fertile agricultural land to feed it's people .



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    Post  Stealthflanker Mon Mar 07, 2022 6:25 pm

    https://twitter.com/HannaLiubakova/status/1500840850875686912

    Odessa landing might be near, and those ODAB-500PM might be used to clear the landing sites from mines.

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    Post  ALAMO Mon Mar 07, 2022 6:37 pm

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:How strong is Ukrainian army compared to Bundeswehr or French army?

    Wrong question, as it ceasing to exist at the moment.

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    Post  kvs Mon Mar 07, 2022 6:41 pm

    Russian forces are pulling up the rear echelons. But the focus is not grabbing more real estate but defeating regime forces in key areas.
    Closing the Donbass cauldron, cleaning out Mariupol and Kharkov.

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    Post  kvs Mon Mar 07, 2022 6:52 pm

    Regime forces have managed to reinforce their positions to the north-west of the Nikolaev and are blocking the Russian advance.

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    Post  Broski Mon Mar 07, 2022 6:53 pm

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:How strong is Ukrainian army compared to Bundeswehr or French army?
    Well...
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    They can sure take a beating, if nothing else.

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