flamming_python wrote:Now would be a good time for a ceasefire to be honest
Whatever the geopolitics of it all, from here on out is a straight road to the abyss. And neither side wants to go there, I think.
Putin will not win anything in the Ukraine, just inherit a giant problem, which will bring him down. And I think he wants to politically survive until 2024, to step down in peace and quiet.
Well, I must admit that the goals of this operation used to be far beyond my imagination, indeed.
But as soon as the dots appeared, and I have started to connect those - it was more and more clear.
I really understand your pacifist agenda, but to consider that Russkies will stand all that shitload applied to them only to return to status quo is naive.
It won't happen'
My agenda is not pacifist. Else why would I be on this site. There are times when war is a necessity. This is not one of them.
And I think there is enough here to present as a 'victory' already. DNR/LNR in full borders. Greater part of Nazis cratered. No Ukraine in NATO.
Rest is none of Russia's business, in any shape or form.
Russia never pursued maximalist war aims in Georgia. It did a quick op, and got out. Result 15 years later, is that the same Saakashvilli is now in jail, and Georgia itself has taken a neutral position to the conflict in the Ukraine. If Russian forces had attempted to storm Tbilisi at the time we would have ended up with I don't even know what.
Russia is facing a world war , dude.. The ukraine war is a NATO proxy war against Russia , is a continuation of the war on Syria , armenia and the war on venezuela too. So you really think ,that NATO will say , ohh , ok, you got that land in ukraine , there will be peace after this?
Dude , the invasion of Russia in ukraine ,was part of the plan of NATO . They wanted that to happen ,
because this will unleash full scale sactions on russia from europe.. is an economic war trap in ukraine what they setup. this is not different to what NATO did with syria.. another trap for russia.
in this kind of war, even if russia "wins" it will still do what they wanted ,slow down russia economy because of the sanctons.. and putin knows this.. LAvrov is on record saying during 2015 war ,when poroshenko was president that kiev was doing everything possible they could ,to lure russian army into invading ukraine. so the invasion was something the west planned. the only thing however they hoped ,is that Russia military performance was far worse ,and with many planes shot down , exactly the same thing in syria.. they hoped to give a vietnam to russia in syria and in ukraine too. but even if this don't happen, this still weaken /slowdown russia economy.. so is a win anyway for NATO.
because the more wars , russia is forced to interfere ,the much more pressure there will be on russian economy.. and all nato needs to do , is continue provoking wars in zones russia have major allies being attacked or bombed. so that russia needs to come into their aid.. armenia same thing.
So you really believe NATO will know shake hands with russia and negotiate?
hell no.. this is just the start of their proxy wars campaigns against russia. They will provoke another more war.. the next one most likely will be transnistria vs moldova. and the other war they can provoke is Serbia vs kosovo.. so you really thing nato will allow russia to have peace? NO at all.
they will provoke another war , in transnistria and in serbia and russia military the only way they could help their soldiers as the one located in transnistria or their serbian allies in those wars.. is if russia have a corridor to moldova open and also controls the border with hungary.. that way the russian airforce could supply transnistria and serbia with thousands of reinforcements and weapons with the help of the friendly hungarian government.
the west will never stop the fighting against russia. and for russia government is clear that the west will continue attacking ,so if russia can't ever restore relations with the west , at very least they need to control key land routes for the future conflicts that NATO will provoke. Like serbia and transnistria ,but also venezuela ,mexico , or even kalinigrad and belarus. so russia will rather not allow nato to fortify anywhere of its borders. and leave prepared ukraine for complete control of it , or most of it ,to prevent nato from rearming ukraine or blocking russia from any passway towards western europe.
Because sanctions will never end.. the west will not accept russia to stop their ukraine nazi nuclear armed project, Then effectively is better and more safer now for russia , with ukraine disarmed and nazis in the run ,that way will not have nuke ukraine if they supplied by nato nuclear weapons.