Russian special military operation in Ukraine #3

Airbornewolf wrote:directly from Telegram.
Google translation:

Updated map of battles in Ukraine over the past day. It looks like a sickly cauldron is brewing.

What's up with the red area in Transnistria? Has Transnistria joined the war?

miketheterrible wrote:Whoever mentioned intelligent people leave russia:

They been doing it since forever. But due to russias education system, they produce new intelligent people.

People migrate all the time.  This event may create new opportunities in Russia since it means more businesses and talent will be needed for import substitution.

With the way the west is going, Russians are better in Russia.

If the Nazis are killing civilians in Maurpiol, than Russia needs to move fast there.

par far wrote:If the Nazis are killing civilians in Maurpiol, than Russia needs to move fast there.

No, they shouldn't. They move in quick, they will get themselves killed and the civilians deaths will be blamed on them. They should start making demands for the hostages to go and they will simply arrest the fascists' instead of killing them.

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dragon_first_1, a brilliant military topographer famous on the russian internet for his maps of the donbass and syria conflicts, has published a map of the current situation in donbass






You can bet this guy is in the top 400 list. No doubt sent in to stiffen resistance. Maxim Marchenko, according to local publications, commanded the battalion in 2015-2017.

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Zelensky has removed the current governer of Odessa oblast Sergey Grinevetsky and replaced him with Maksim Marchenko, former officer in the Aidar Battalion

Sujoy wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:If Russia wasn't asked earlier, Indian government showed incompetence here.

Indian government did not anticipate that just because India refused to vote in favour of Ukraine the Ukranian government will use Indian students as human shields.

When Indian students wanted to leave before the war started the college authorities didn't allow them to. They said the enrollment of students will be cancelled if they leave.

The students should have left anyway. Worrying about getting their enrollment cancelled is a rather sad excuse. And the Indians shouldn't have trusted Ukrainians to attempt to allow them to leave in Ukrainian held areas or Poland. Both are well known for a long time being racist shitholes.

Isos wrote:ASB News / MILITARY

@ASBMilitary·2m

BREAKING: Ministry of Defense Russia: “there are losses among our comrades participating in a special military operation - 498 Russian soldiers died in the line of military duty, 1597 of our comrades were injured”

We were on point with our estimate, it seems

Exactly my thought. Sad, but considering the first two days and the meatgrinder at kharkov I guess it is what it is.
Would be interesting to see by day statistics after the war. Considering the massive decrease in vids and claims from the Ukrainian side, I'm assuming loss rates have declined substantially.

comrades participating in a special military operation - 498 Russian so wrote:

This is a big loss?

It was previously mentioned DNR and LNR forces are also added to the equation.

Same source:

Russian Ministry of Defense:

2,870 Ukrainian troops killed, 3,700 injured, 572 taken prisoner

Hello from Portugal.

Here now i have no access to RT Tv.

Some contents on youtube are not allowed too.

Can someone clarify to me, if in Russia there is access to foreign channels, like BBC, CNN, Al-Jazera, etc.

Thank you in advance.

Isos wrote:ASB News / MILITARY

@ASBMilitary·2m

BREAKING: Ministry of Defense Russia: “there are losses among our comrades participating in a special military operation - 498 Russian soldiers died in the line of military duty, 1597 of our comrades were injured”

We were on point with our estimate, it seems

RIP to the fallen.

I don't see why Russia would want to bother with much of Europe after this.
And especially the demons in Washington.

I've heard conflicting reports on the Chechen wars - suggesting that Russia understated OR OVERSTATED deaths for whatever reasons. (Jamestown Institute the silly American lot give a maximum and minimum figure far each side of the official Russian figure).

Something that puzzles me is that Russian deaths in Syria are estimated at 150 or so.

The more I think about all this, I'm sure America was planning something incredibly sinister in the Donbass and beyond. Evidently the Ukraine had been turned into some 1970s Central America style banana republic with its militias capable of committing all manner of atrocities.

1 death is awful, as of course are 500. Perhaps we have to consider this against the thousands of Donbass deaths and many more that would have happened without RF intervention.

My question is whether Russia was too trusting of some of the fucked up hohols who decided to commit cowardly ambushes etc.

The map of activity is starting to look much better. But there are 4 main areas to resolve for the initial stages.

kvs wrote:

The scale of this war in nowhere near the "biggest army in U-rope" drivel from the Ukrs.   These retards
still have the majority of their "army" tied up in the LDNR.  

LDR/DNR have done an amazing job keeping them there, with Russian help of course.

par far wrote:If the Nazis are killing civilians in Maurpiol, than Russia needs to move fast there.

Or disappear some Galicians who support the Azov filth first.

Firebird wrote:I don't see why Russia would want to bother with much of Europe after this.
And especially the demons in Washington.

I've heard conflicting reports on the Chechen wars - suggesting that Russia understated OR OVERSTATED deaths for  whatever reasons. (Jamestown Institute the silly American lot give a maximum and minimum figure far each side of the official Russian figure).

Something that puzzles me is that Russian deaths in Syria are estimated at 150 or so.

The more I think about all this, I'm sure America was planning something incredibly sinister in the Donbass and beyond. Evidently the Ukraine had been turned into some 1970s Central America style banana republic with its militias capable of committing all manner of atrocities.

1 death is awful, as of course are 500. Perhaps we have to consider this against the thousands of Donbass deaths and many more that would have happened without RF intervention.

My question is whether Russia was too trusting of some of the fucked up hohols who decided to commit cowardly ambushes etc.

The map of activity is starting to look much better. But there are 4 main areas to resolve for the initial stages.

Russian mod is way smarter than you or I. I wouldn't worry about what "they think". Russia made it clear their objective and there wasn't any deviation from it from the beginning. A slight delay due to negotiations but they know what the deal is.

kvs wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:Same source:

Russian Ministry of Defense:

2,870 Ukrainian troops killed, 3,700 injured, 572 taken prisoner

The scale of this war in nowhere near the "biggest army in U-rope" drivel from the Ukrs.   These retards
still have the majority of their "army" tied up in the LDNR.  

Let's not forget, they said Ukrainian forces. For all we know, they aren't counting that same number as in Azov and other nazi groups.

Arrow wrote:

This is a big loss?

Not really. Their strategy of not hurting civilians puts them more in danger and ukrainians were well armed and prepared.

Kvs wrote:The scale of this war in nowhere near the "biggest army in U-rope" drivel from the Ukrs. These retards
still have the majority of their "army" tied up in the LDNR.

Clearly. Most of ukrainian army and nazi groups are in Kiev and Donbass. Once they clear that they will roll over the rest of Ukraine quickly and easily.

Donbas forces are being encircled. Once it is done they can send some forces around as the ebemy can't get out.

Kiev is a mess for ukrainians too and moral sould be to 0 now that sukhois are bombing them.

They had lotvof hope during the 1st day because they thought they could resist to Russians. It turns out russians weren't serious at all giving them false hope. Now they saw what it really is to fight them. Russian strategy however failed because it gave to the ukrainians the impression they could win so they kept fighting instead of surrendering as expected by Russia

miketheterrible wrote:

Firebird wrote:I don't see why Russia would want to bother with much of Europe after this.
And especially the demons in Washington.

I've heard conflicting reports on the Chechen wars - suggesting that Russia understated OR OVERSTATED deaths for  whatever reasons. (Jamestown Institute the silly American lot give a maximum and minimum figure far each side of the official Russian figure).

Something that puzzles me is that Russian deaths in Syria are estimated at 150 or so.

The more I think about all this, I'm sure America was planning something incredibly sinister in the Donbass and beyond. Evidently the Ukraine had been turned into some 1970s Central America style banana republic with its militias capable of committing all manner of atrocities.

1 death is awful, as of course are 500. Perhaps we have to consider this against the thousands of Donbass deaths and many more that would have happened without RF intervention.

My question is whether Russia was too trusting of some of the fucked up hohols who decided to commit cowardly ambushes etc.

The map of activity is starting to look much better. But there are 4 main areas to resolve for the initial stages.

Russian mod is way smarter than you or I. I wouldn't worry about what "they think". Russia made it clear their objective and there wasn't any deviation from it from the beginning.  A slight delay due to negotiations but they know what the deal is.

Its looking like Cold War 2 is "warmer" than Cold War 1 ever was ... excluding Afghanistan.
I hope Russia gets its pound of flesh in justice over its enemies.

Abstaining in most cases pretty much means your against but don't want to say incase of USA comes after you. And those who didn't vote are pretty much abstaining. That would make a total of 46 countries who didn't vote or abstained, which defacto means they are against it in my opinion.

Update on the UN vote

An overwhelming vote at the UN General Assembly to condemn the Russian invasion of Ukraine: 141 in favour; 5 against; 35 abstaining

The 5 countries who were against were: Russia, Syria, North Korea, Eritrea and Belarus

35 abstaining
Algeria, Angola, Armenia, Bangladesh, Bolivia, Burundi, central African Republic, China, Congo, Cuba, El Salvador, Equatorial Guinea, India, Iran, Iraq, Kazakhstan,  Kyrgyzstan, Laos, Madagascar, Mali, Mongolia, Mozambique, Namibia, Nicaragua, Pakistan, Senegal, South Africa, South Sudan, Sri Lanka, Sudan, Tajikistan, Tanzania, Uganda, Vietnam, Zimbabwe.

And then those who didn't vote at all

Azerbaijan
Burkina Faso
Eswatini
Ethiopia
Guinea
Guinea Bissau
Morocco
Togo
Turkmenistan
Uzbekistan
Venezuela

Good afternoon, gents (and on the off chance there is one, lady).

Not interested in any of the political bickering back and forth, I am interested in aviation.

I haven't really paid all that much attention to this conflict so far, but had a glance at it today, focusing in the aerial bit.

So, there seems to be a kind of crazy propaganda campaign going on from the Ukrainian and/or western-leaning camp, they reinforce each other, so to speak:
1. A "Ghost of Kyiv" hoax circulated for days, even involving the notorious 4Chan phenomenon Sam Hyde (written in a vaguely Slavicized variant, with Ukrainian Cyrillic). A MiG-29 claimed 6 (or more) Russian jets over Kyiv.

It's been a week, and there is no corroborating data for even a single one.

2. Two Russian VDV Il-76's shot down over two small villages/towns south of Kyiv, carrying hundreds of paratroopers each. Widely distributed news, was "confirmed by US officials" and so on, but seemed very fishy from the get-go given the geographical connotations (how and why would a big lumbering Russian transport jet fly over central Ukraine in the middle of this all?), and even more fishy as the hours went by, given that the Il-76 is basically a C-17-sized plane, it leaves a big mark when it hits the ground and some on-the-ground confirmation should have shown up within 5-6 hours at least.

No confirmation to date, some 4 days later.

3. Intense dogfights over Ukrainian cities, with multiple shootdowns by Ukrainian fighters. Not a single wreck documented, not a single piece of guncam footage or anything. Some video game visuals have circulated (from Armed Assault/ArmA, and DCS World), some even published by official Ukrainian authorities, but that's it.

The latest one comes from today, with several Russian Su-35Ss apparently being shot down over Kyiv, again, by a MiG-29 or by S-300 batteries. Reported by official Ukrainian channels, but no proof as for now. These news are only hours old, anyway, so proof might surface later. Or not.

The thing is that it seems to me that the Russian Air Force actually didn't conduct any fixed-wing sorties over Ukrainian territory at all until 4-5 days into the conflict, after some SEAD operations. I could be wrong, but that's what it looks like to me. So literally everything claimed before yesterday appears false.

However, there are loads of photos and videos of aircraft being hit, aircraft crashing, aircraft being found as wrecks in fields. All of these videos have to date been confirmed to show Ukrainian ditto, and barring the occasional mechanical failure or whatever, my guess is that most losses probably involved friendly fire.

Would like to hear some additional input. I studied the air war in Ukraine during the previous separatist conflict as well back on Keypublishing and compiled a big list, and the statistics and timeline really revealed certain extremely important things and tendencies that didn't square all that well with the various narratives that were being pushed.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RhS-JDlSj5s RIP to all of them.