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    Post  ALAMO Thu Feb 09, 2023 2:44 pm

    You silly deniers!
    They are working in the most prestigious positions being plugs!

    How do you think one saves a boat after 533mm torpedo punches a hole?
    Here is your answer!

    I only have a tech issue, which side is the one they are plugging ... scratch

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    Post  Podlodka77 Thu Feb 09, 2023 3:52 pm

    If by any chance it turns out that the gas turbine tests go well and "Admiral Golovko" becomes operational this year, then I am of the opinion that from this year or next we will have at least one 22350 frigate launched every year. I also think that there is time for 22350M frigates because the first 4 frigates of project 22350 are more than well armed. Until then, we have to wait and see if the fifth frigate "Admiral Amelko" will have 3 or 4 UKSK launchers - 24 or 32 cells.

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    Post  Podlodka77 Fri Feb 10, 2023 3:59 am

    February 10, 07:41

    The frigate "Admiral Gorshkov" carried out artillery firing in the Atlantic Ocean
    As noted in the Russian Ministry of Defense, the ship's guns hit a target at a distance of 10 km

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    MOSCOW, 10 February. /TASS/. The frigate "Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Gorshkov" in the course of fulfilling the tasks of a long-range voyage carried out artillery firing at a sea target in the Atlantic Ocean. This was reported on Friday in the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.

    "The crew of the frigate "Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Gorshkov" of the Northern Fleet, in the course of carrying out long-range missions in the South Atlantic Ocean, fired artillery at a sea target in preparation for a joint military operation with the Navy of the Republic of South Africa and the Navy of the People's Liberation Army of China. maritime exercises," the department said.

    It is specified that the shooting was carried out from a 130 mm AK-192M universal naval artillery mount at a sea target simulating a mock enemy ship and located at a distance of more than 10 km.

    It is noted that the calculation of the ship's command post worked out the actions to issue target designation for the use of artillery weapons of the frigate. In order to counter high-precision weapons of a mock enemy, electronic warfare systems also practiced jamming. "The means of objective control confirmed that the target was successfully hit," the ministry added.

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    Post  LMFS Sun Feb 12, 2023 4:53 am

    Podlodka77 wrote:I think we will sooner see 48N6DM missiles with a maximum horizontal range of up to 250 km and 48N6M with a range of up to 200 km, than 40N6E missiles with a range of up to 380 km. Surface warships are vulnerable on the high seas and this is already a fact. By the way, I should just add that the aircraft carrier is also a surface warship.

    Actually the role of those long range missiles would be to keep AWACS and AShM launching planes out of range, and the horizon radar for a plane flying ca. 10 km high is 500 km, so even longer ranged SAMs would make a lot of sense, allowing not to repel but helping to prevent attacks to the fleet at all

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    Post  Podlodka77 Sun Feb 12, 2023 5:04 am

    This is just my opinion and nothing more. I think that the armament of the 22350 frigates far exceeds the armament of the inherited Soviet platforms, especially in terms of anti-air and anti-ship combat, while the land attack option was absent on the Soviet platforms. What I would add is that I would strengthen anti-submarine weapons and I would strengthen close air defense with Pantsir-M. The fifth ship Admiral Amelko will be a real beast with 4 UKSK (32 cells) although the variant with 3 UKSK would be more than enough. So 24-32 cells in UKSK, 32 for 9K96 Redut, plus Paket-NK and Pantsir-M - is extraordinary.

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Sun Feb 12, 2023 6:49 am

    What I would like to understand is if they are able to put 4 UKSK modules in the same hull as before without reducing the number of Redut launchers.

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    Post  ALAMO Sun Feb 12, 2023 6:54 am

    Those systems are hardly ever tightly packed, for both survivability and maintenance issues.
    The space under the deck where the Rif was located was just a gigantic space volume.
    I would guess that it can be easily optimized.
    You wouldn't believe how huge the potential for improvements exists if you are making ships in series.
    Things are starting to get clear after the 3rd piece usually Laughing
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    Post  Podlodka77 Sun Feb 12, 2023 7:09 am

    The space in which there are 2 UKSK launchers on the first 4 frigates seems quite large, and if the Russians decide to relocate one part of the Redut launchers (half or 16 cells) then they can be transferred to the stern of the ship or as on the project 20385 corvettes. And those corvettes are of much smaller dimensions than frigates, but the Russians placed 8 launchers for 9K96 Redut on each side behind the helicopter hangar, that is 16 in total.

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Sun Feb 12, 2023 7:22 am

    Hi Alamo, unfortunately that has been one of the issues of Russian navy in the recent past. They had several projects with only a couple of ships each.

    I am glad that now with both the 20380 large corvette and with the 22350 frigates are finally able to produce a decent number of ship.

    Who knows, soon there will probably be an export customer for the 22350 as well.

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    Post  Mir Sun Feb 12, 2023 8:41 am

    Who knows, soon there will probably be an export customer for the 22350 as well.

    I personally hope not - the Russians needs these ships in double quick time.

    Actually those smaller Gepards for Vietnam seems like a very good ship for most navies.

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    Post  Podlodka77 Sun Feb 12, 2023 9:24 am

    I think that Mir is right and that 22350 frigates will be in production exclusively for the Russian Navy. Baltic Shipyard works on nuclear icebreakers and will not have production for the navy for years to come. The Zaliv shipyard is working on 2 large UDCs, while Yantar is entrusted with the construction of landing ships. Severnaya Werf and Amur shipyard remain for the 22350 , so the only question that remains is what Zvezda will build, although I think that Zvezda was built primarily to relieve the production of ships for tha navy to other shipbuilders. Sevmash and Admiralty are a different story, because there is the production of submarines, although I am convinced that only Sevmash can do everything.
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    Post  ALAMO Sun Feb 12, 2023 9:29 am

    ... which is why the second giant shipbuilding cluster is being constructed at the Kotlin Island as we speak.
    Bigger than Zvezda Shocked

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Sun Feb 12, 2023 11:18 am

    Baltic shipyard in Sankt Petersburg (currently mainly busy with nuclear icebreakers) can also build frigates, destroyers and cruisers. Last military ships build were 3 taiwar frigates for the Indian navy.

    And yantar in Kaliningrad is also able to build frigates (and is finishing the current order for India for the 11356 frigates that could not go to the Russian navy.

    By the way, I hope they got all the engines for India before the war since probably now not much is left of Zorya mashproekt in Nikolaev.

    Anyway, since it will be difficult to get those engines from now on, probably it would be a good moment for Yantar, after finishing those frigates, to switch to 22350 or 22350M as well.

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    Post  Podlodka77 Sun Feb 12, 2023 11:45 am

    Only two shipbuilders are enough to build 22350 frigates, because it is only important that the gas turbines prove their reliability and performance in tests on Admiral Golovko. Everything after that is a piece of cake and will go much faster, because it was the lack of gas turbines that stopped the rapid production of these ships. There are no more unknowns about the weapon systems on the 22350 because most of them have been tested in practice, like the P800 Onyx or the 3M14 Kalibr. Everything is ready, everything from electronic equipment to weapon systems - just waiting for the completion of turbine testing.

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    Post  Podlodka77 Tue Feb 14, 2023 3:58 am

    "Admiral Gorshkov" in Cape Town, February 13, 2023

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    Post  wilhelm Tue Feb 14, 2023 9:49 am

    Arrival in Table Bay and Cape Town harbour.

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    Post  ALAMO Tue Feb 14, 2023 9:58 am

    This is such a lovely ship ... love

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    Post  wilhelm Tue Feb 14, 2023 1:13 pm

    Good looking ship.
    It will be interesting to see it working alongside the South African Valour class in the upcoming exercise, as both have low observability features.

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    Post  wilhelm Fri Feb 17, 2023 2:33 am

    Gorshkov has left Cape Town after resupplying, and  is now sailing up the East coast of South Africa in the Indian Ocean, which is where the exercise will be held.

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    Post  Podlodka77 Fri Feb 17, 2023 8:57 am

    17 February 2023 at 8:49

    Off the coast of South Africa, international maneuvers begin with the participation of the frigate "Admiral Gorshkov"

    On Friday, February 17, in the Indian Ocean, off the coast of the South African province of KwaZulu-Natal, joint naval exercises of South Africa, Russia and China called "Mosi" (translated from Swahili - "Smoke") begin. According to RBC, they will last until February 27. The frigate "Admiral Gorshkov" represents the maneuvers of the Russian Navy.
    The South African National Defense Force (SANDF) announced the exercise in late January. The exercise area is located in an area of ​​87 nautical miles (160 km) from the city of Durban (the largest port in southern Africa and the main base of the South African Navy in the Indian Ocean) to Richards Bay.

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    The active part of the exercises will begin on February 25, and before that, the parties will clarify the tasks of the maneuvers and conduct coordination.

    "The proposed exercise will benefit all participating countries through the interoperability of naval systems, joint improvement of command and control systems, maritime cooperation and anti-piracy exercises," said South African Defense Minister Tandi Modize.

    From South Africa, about 350 military personnel will take part in the exercises. The exercises involved a Chinese destroyer, a frigate and an auxiliary vessel, from South Africa - one frigate.

    According to TASS, the Russian frigate "Admiral Gorshkov" for the first time in the framework of international exercises will perform a combat training launch of the Zircon hypersonic anti-ship missile. An agency source claims that the latest ammunition should hit a surface target at a distance of over 500 km.

    The trilateral exercises of South Africa, Russia and China are taking place for the second time. They were first held in November 2019 in Cape Town. Then the countries practiced maneuvers off the coast of the Cape of Hope.

    The long-distance voyage of the Admiral Gorshkov frigate, which began on January 4, is being led by the commander of the missile ship division of the Northern Fleet, Captain 1st Rank Oleg Gladky. The main objective of the campaign is to ensure the Russian naval presence in the strategically important areas of the oceans.

    According to the press, at one of the stages of the campaign, the Admiral Gorshkov will join the permanent task force of the Russian Navy in the Mediterranean.

    The lead frigate of project 22350 "Admiral Gorshkov" has been serving in the Northern Fleet since the summer of 2018. Since 2020, the ship has been participating in tests of the latest Zircon hypersonic anti-ship missile.

    The total displacement of the project 22350 frigate is 5400 tons, the length is 135 meters, the width is 16 meters. The frigate develops speed up to 29 knots. Autonomy - 30 days. Cruising range - 4500 miles. Crew - 170 people.

    The standard armament of Project 22350 frigates is Kalibr high-precision long-range cruise missiles, and now Zircon hypersonic missiles. In addition, the ships are equipped with the A-192 130-mm gun mount, the Poliment-Redut anti-aircraft missile system, the Paket-NK anti-submarine defense system, and the "Palash"missile and artillery systems. The Ka-27PL helicopter is based on board.

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    Post  GarryB Sat Feb 18, 2023 1:57 am

    HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHHAHAHA....

    Former White House Adviser: South Africa's Naval Drills With Russia, China 'Not Acceptable'

    https://sputniknews.com/20230217/former-white-house-adviser-south-africas-naval-drills-with-russia-china-not-acceptable-1107492942.html

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    Post  Arrow Sat Feb 18, 2023 6:42 am

    It is said that the Cirkon missile will be fired during these exercises. Maybe we'll see some better missile launch movie Smile ?
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    Post  Mir Sat Feb 18, 2023 6:52 am

    The main opposition party in South Africa - the Democratic Alliance (DA) shares the US view and describes Russia’s clear objective with Exercise Mosi II as to abuse SA for their propaganda purposes against the west. It even goes further and states that it makes South Africa complicit in their (Russia's) war crimes. This view is basically echoed in "White" MSM. I guess we can expect another failed CIA "Regime Change" effort pretty soon. Laughing

    What is completely ignored (most probably under western instructions) are the real war crimes of civilians being attacked with western supplied weapons by the Nazis and the fact that over 14000 civilians of the Donbass have been systematically murdered since 2014 (actually since 2008) in heavy artillery attacks.

    The SA Navy's newest and oldest ships will both participate in Exercise Mosi II. These are the 50 year old! survey ship SAS Protea and the Inshore Patrol Vessel King SAS King Sekhukhune.

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    PS - I've noticed that the Gorshkov's funnel appears to have received an all black RAM coating during her trip to the South Atlantic?

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    Post  GarryB Sat Feb 18, 2023 8:24 am

    Exercises should be more about learning to work together than showing off what amazing shit you have...

    Every country needs to be able to defend its own water space and cooperation with other navies should allow testing of performance and techniques and tactics to see if you can do things differently.

    Sometimes old ships still get the job done, you might find a Chinese or Russian or South African drone might make things easier or better without needing to buy a brand new stealthy fleet of super ships... it is not about Russia and China arriving and teaching South Africa, it is about different navies working together and finding out what they can learn from other navies regarding different conditions and situations.

    I suspect the funnel is painted black because normal operations will colour it black anyway and so painting it black will mean new coats of paint are needed less often, but I would hope IR sensors and coatings will be part of the game as well. Wink
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    Post  Podlodka77 Sun Feb 19, 2023 10:58 am

    February 19, 00:22

    The frigate "Admiral of the Fleet Kasatonov" headed the Mediterranean squadron of the Russian Navy
    The ship solves the tasks of combat service, the source said.

    MOSCOW, 19 February. /TASS/. The frigate "Admiral Fleet Kasatonov" of project 22350 of the Northern Fleet is currently solving the tasks of combat service in the Mediterranean Sea. This was reported to TASS by a source close to the military department.

    "The frigate is currently located in the Mediterranean Sea and, by its status of a 1st-rank ship, leads the permanent task force of the Russian Navy in this area," he said.

    Previously, the long-range campaign of the "Admiral of the Fleet Kasatonov" was not reported.

    As noted in the Russian Ministry of Defense on Saturday due to the fact that the Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Navy, Admiral Nikolai Evmenov, presented the Order of Ushakov to the 43rd division of missile ships of the Northern Fleet, currently two frigates of the Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Gorshkov and Admiral of the Fleet Kasatonov are performing tasks of long-distance voyages in the world ocean.

    Earlier it was reported that "Admiral Gorshkov" is located off the coast of South Africa, where it will take part in exercises with the navies of this country and China. According to the South African Ministry of Defense, the active part of the exercises will begin on February 22.

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