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    Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov #3

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    Post  Podlodka77 Fri Dec 30, 2022 12:54 pm

    The frigate "Admiral Isakov" is the last ship of project 22350 with two UKSK of 8 cells each, that is 16 in total. From the fifth ship "Admiral Amelko", the number of UKSK will be increased to 3 or 4 with 24 or 32 cells in total.
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    MOSCOW, February 16. /TASS/. The improved Project 22350 frigates Admiral Amelko and Admiral Chichagov will become the carriers of hypersonic weapons and will be capable of carrying 32 cruise missiles each, a source in the domestic shipbuilding industry told TASS on Tuesday.

    "The pair [the frigates Admiral Amelko and Admiral Chichagov] will be capable of accomplishing the tasks that standard serial-produced ships of this series fulfil. They will carry a larger ammunition load. A possibility is available for installing hypersonic weapons," the source said.

    "Under the contract, they will carry four versatile shipborne launchers each and this series of ships will be continued. Each launcher is designed for eight Kalibr-NK and/or Oniks cruise missiles and, eventually, for Tsirkon [hypersonic] weapons," the source said.

    TASS has no official confirmation of this information yet.

    The original Project 22350 serial-produced warships built at the Severnaya Shipyard (part of the United Shipbuilding Corporation) carry two versatile shipborne launchers each. The Russian Navy is currently using the Project 22350 lead frigate Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Gorshkov for testing Tsirkon hypersonic weapons.

    The frigate Admiral Gorshkov test-launched a Tsirkon hypersonic cruise missile for the first time in early October 2020. The missile launched from the White Sea struck a sea target in the Barents Sea. The Tsirkon developed a speed of Mach 8 and climbed to an altitude of 28 km. The next test-launch took place in November 2020. A Tsirkon missile successfully struck a sea target at a distance of 450 km, developing a speed of over Mach 8.

    https://tass.com/defense/1257037

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    Post  Hole Wed Jan 04, 2023 12:25 pm

    We will continue to develop the country's defense industry - Vladimir Putin took part in the ceremony of entering combat service of the Admiral Gorshkov frigate, equipped with hypersonic Zircons.

    The frigate "Admiral Gorshkov" with "Zircons" on board goes on a long journey across the Atlantic, Indian Oceans, as well as the Mediterranean Sea, Shoigu.

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    Post  limb Wed Jan 04, 2023 5:32 pm

    So russia officially is the first country in the world to mass produce hypersonic glide vehicles, hypersonic ballistic missiles and hypersonic cruise missiles. Thats a great milestone. Now they better be used. Not bad for primitive nigeria with snow.

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    Post  Podlodka77 Wed Jan 04, 2023 8:33 pm

    In Russia 13:58, January 4, 2023


    Frigate "Admiral Gorshkov" went on a long voyage with missiles "Zirkon" and "Kalibr"

    INTERFAX.RU - One of the most modern ships of the Russian Navy - the frigate "Admiral Gorshkov" set off on a long voyage.

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    Preparing the frigate "Admiral Gorshkov" for service in Severomorsk
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    The ceremony of entering the ship into combat service took place on Wednesday under the leadership of Russian President Vladimir Putin, it was held via videoconference.

    The ship will sail to the Atlantic and Indian Oceans, as well as the Mediterranean Sea.
    The commander of the ship, Igor Krokhmal, said that the frigate had completed a full training cycle before the voyage. “The ship has been loaded with ammunition for Zircon and Caliber missiles, air defense equipment, torpedo weapons and artillery. The crew of the ship is ready to carry out the tasks of combat service," Krokhmal said at the ceremony, the footage of which was shown by the Rossiya-24 TV channel.

    Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said that the frigate "Admiral Gorshkov" will go on a long voyage to the Atlantic and Indian Oceans, as well as the Mediterranean Sea. According to him, the ship is capable of inflicting pinpoint and powerful strikes against "the enemy at sea and on land." He noted that Zircon missiles can reach speeds of up to Mach 9 and overcome any air defense-missile defense system.

    "The main efforts of the military campaign will be focused on countering Russia's threats, on maintaining regional peace and stability jointly with friendly countries," Shoigu said.

    "After the exercises and training, the crew will practice the use of hypersonic weapons and long-range cruise missiles in various conditions," the minister said.

    On December 11, the Admiral Gorshkov arrived at the base in Severomorsk after maintenance at the Kronstadt Marine Plant, the military reported.

    On December 21, at a meeting of the Board of the Russian Defense Ministry, Putin said: “In early January next year, the frigate Admiral Gorshkov of the Soviet Union Fleet will enter combat service with the latest Zircon sea-based hypersonic missile systems, which have no analogues in the world.

    In February 2019, in a message to the Federal Assembly, Putin announced that the Zircon missile would be capable of hitting ground and surface targets at a distance of more than 1,000 kilometers at a speed of about Mach 9.

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    Post  GarryB Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:20 am

    So russia officially is the first country in the world to mass produce hypersonic glide vehicles, hypersonic ballistic missiles and hypersonic cruise missiles. Thats a great milestone. Now they better be used. Not bad for primitive nigeria with snow.

    You could equally wonder why the US who spends more than ten times more per year on their military, together with all their HATO mates which probably brings the total up to about 15 times more hasn't managed it yet... and not for want of trying...

    Why does the west get such terrible value for money... I remember all through the cold war being told that workers in communist countries were not very productive and the advantage the west had was the high productivity of its workers... compared with the unmotivated drones of the communist world.

    Never really suspected that it might just be creative accounting and corruption.

    This frigate is a nice step, but many more steps are needed... the west has made it necessary.

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    Post  Podlodka77 Sat Jan 07, 2023 10:16 am

    Frigate "Admiral Gorskov" in the Norwegian Sea and on the way to the Mediterranean Sea..

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    Post  Podlodka77 Tue Jan 10, 2023 7:56 am

    January 10, 07:16

    The frigate "Admiral Gorshkov" completed the tasks of air defense exercises in the Norwegian Sea

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    Seeing off the frigate "Admiral Gorshkov" in Severomorsk
    Location: Severomorsk, Murmansk region, Russia
    Event date: 01/04/2023
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    The press service of the Northern Fleet reported that the exercises were carried out using computer simulation of the tactical situation with a conditional defeat of air targets by anti-aircraft fire weapons.

    MOSCOW, January 10. /TASS/. The frigate "Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Gorshkov", equipped with hypersonic missiles "Zirkon", repelled the attack of a mock air enemy in the Norwegian Sea in difficult hydrometeorological conditions. This was reported to journalists in the press service of the Northern Fleet.

    "The crew of the frigate Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Gorshkov conducted an exercise to repel air attack weapons, aircraft and anti-ship missiles of a mock enemy in the Norwegian Sea in difficult hydrometeorological conditions," the report says.

    It is noted that during the exercise, the waves in the Norwegian Sea amounted to 3-4 points, the wind speed reached 20 m per second.

    The press service clarified that the exercises were carried out using computer simulation of the tactical situation with a conditional defeat of air targets by anti-aircraft fire weapons. The calculation of the air defense command post fulfilled the standards for maneuvering the ship. The personnel of the combat posts of detection, electronic and anti-aircraft fire destruction worked out the issuance and reception of target designation, as well as the conditional use of weapons of self-defense of the ship.

    The press service recalled that the combat service of a detachment of ships as part of the frigate "Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Gorshkov" and the medium sea tanker "Kama" is under the command of the commander of the division of missile ships of the Northern Fleet, Captain First Rank Oleg Gladky.

    On January 4, Russian President Vladimir Putin gave the command to the crew of the Admiral Gorshkov frigate to begin combat service tasks.

    Frigate "Admiral Gorshkov"

    "Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Gorshkov" - the lead multi-purpose frigate of project 22350 of the far sea and ocean zone, it was built at the Severnaya Verf plant (part of the United Shipbuilding Corporation). He joined the Russian Navy in July 2018. In December 2022, he made an inter-fleet transition and arrived at the main base of the Northern Fleet - the city of Severomorsk - after scheduled maintenance at the Kronstadt Marine Plant.

    The main strike weapon is the Kalibr-NK missile system. The ship took an active part in testing the latest Zircon hypersonic missile developed and manufactured by the Reutov NPO Mashinostroeniya (part of the Tactical Missiles Corporation).

    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/16764409

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Thu Jan 19, 2023 4:55 am

    https://t.me/mod_russia/23552

    Nice video

    You can appreciate the hull, and get an impression of the ship in some choppy sea

    Of course it can get much worse, and a bigger ship would have advantages if the goal is to provide constant protection for a group of LNG tankers and oil tankers

    Would a yasen or other Ssn provide some sort of "shadowing" on these types of missions?

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    Post  Podlodka77 Thu Jan 19, 2023 8:23 am

    January 19, 06:02

    Helicopter Ka-27 of the frigate "Admiral Gorshkov" conducted aerial reconnaissance in the Atlantic Ocean

    VIDEO LINK https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/16833389

    The flights took place with sea waves up to 3 points and wind speeds of about 15 m/s

    MOSCOW, January 19. /TASS/. The ship air group of the frigate Admiral Gorshkov of the Fleet of the Soviet Union practiced flights of the Ka-27 helicopter from the ship in difficult hydrometeorological conditions in the Atlantic Ocean. This was reported to journalists on Thursday at the Ministry of Defense.

    "The pilots' training was of a planned nature. During the flights, they carried out aerial reconnaissance in order to reveal the air and surface situation along the frigate's crossing route. Also, during the flight shift, the crew took off and landed on the frigate's helipad on the move in order to maintain the level of training of the flight crew ", - stated in the message of the military department.

    The flights took place with sea waves up to 3 points and wind speeds of about 15 m/s.

    The cruise of the frigate "Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Gorshkov" is led by the commander of the division of missile ships of the Northern Fleet, Captain 1st Rank Oleg Gladky. The main objective of the campaign is to ensure the Russian naval presence in the strategically important areas of the oceans.

    Since leaving the main base of the Northern Fleet - the city of Severomorsk - Russian sailors have traveled more than 2,000 nautical miles. It is planned that the crew will take part in several exercises with ships of other fleets of the Russian Navy, as well as with ships of foreign navies.



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    Post  Podlodka77 Thu Jan 26, 2023 8:02 am

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    The frigate "Admiral Gorshkov" with "Zircons" approached the United States at a distance of 1000 kilometers

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    The frigate of the Russian Navy "Admiral Gorshkov" approached the Bermuda Islands in the Atlantic Ocean. The United States is only 1,000 kilometers away. It is no coincidence that experts focus on the remaining distance to the territory of the United States. As you know, the basis of the armament of the Russian ship is the Zircon hypersonic missiles capable of carrying nuclear warheads. And their range is just a thousand kilometers.

    Recall, the frigate "Admiral Gorshkov" left Severomorsk on January 4. On a long trip, he is accompanied by a sea tanker "Kama". According to experts, the Russian ship has more of an image mission. He must demonstrate the national flag of the Russian Federation in strategically important areas of the oceans.

    However, during the campaign, the frigate "Admiral Gorshkov" will have to solve quite specific tasks. The ship will take part in joint naval exercises with the Chinese and South African navies. The frigate will first enter the Syrian Tartus, where the logistics center is located.

    At the same time, the campaign in the direction of North America was not announced.

    It is assumed that the joint maneuvers will last from 17 to 27 February. It is known that naval exercises will be held in the Indian Ocean. The ships of the three states plan to work out joint actions and exchange operational data. According to the Ministry of Defense of South Africa, the task of the exercises is to strengthen the already flourishing relations between our countries.

    https://topcor.ru/31391-fregat-admiral-gorshkov-s-cirkonami-priblizilsja-k-ssha-na-rasstojanie-v-1000-kilometrov.html

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    Post  Begome Tue Jan 31, 2023 3:07 pm

    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/16922597

    Adm. Golovko is expected to be handed over to the navy in March 2023 already; looks like the remaining trials are going well or are expected to go very well.

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    Post  Arrow Thu Feb 02, 2023 11:28 am

    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/16942515

    Wow Very Happy

    "At the Army-2023 forum, it is planned to sign a contract with the military department for the construction of a series of six frigates of projects 22350 and 22350M," he said. According to him, the Amur Shipbuilding Plant (ASZ, part of the United Shipbuilding Corporation, USC), which builds corvettes and small missile ships, is ready next year to start building a new type of ship for the Pacific Fleet - a frigate. "This will be a series of six ships of the far sea zone of project 22350 and an upgraded version of 22350M," the source said. He noted that a large-scale modernization of production is being completed at the plant, boathouses have been vacated in the shops for laying and building two units. wrote:

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    Post  owais.usmani Thu Feb 02, 2023 12:02 pm

    All 6 at Amur? What about further orders for Severnaya Verf?
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    Post  Begome Thu Feb 02, 2023 12:05 pm

    The article says that twelve 22350M are planned in total and that, while Amur will start building a combination of 22350 and 22350M (6 total) from next year onward, Severnaya Verf will lay down the first 22350M this year already, once the shipyard's facilities complete the ongoing upgrade. Anonymous source for the entire article though.

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    Post  Arrow Thu Feb 02, 2023 12:24 pm

    Some people think it's not 22350M but modified 22350 with more UKSK launcher.
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    Post  Podlodka77 Thu Feb 02, 2023 12:30 pm

    FULL TEXT FROM TASS

    February 2, 01:31,
    updated February 2, 01:33

    Source: a contract for the construction of six frigates will be signed at the Army-2023 forum


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    They will be intended for the Pacific Fleet

    MOSCOW, February 2. /TASS/. A contract with the Russian Ministry of Defense for the construction of a series of six frigates of the ocean zone of projects 22350 and 22350M is planned to be signed at the Army-2023 forum, it can be received by the Amur Shipbuilding Plant (ASZ). This was reported to TASS by a source in the military-industrial complex.

    "At the Army-2023 forum, it is planned to sign a contract with the military department for the construction of a series of six frigates of projects 22350 and 22350M," he said.

    According to him, the Amur Shipbuilding Plant (ASZ, part of the United Shipbuilding Corporation, USC), which builds corvettes and small missile ships, is ready next year to start building a new type of ship for the Pacific Fleet - a frigate. "This will be a series of six ships of the far sea zone of project 22350 and an upgraded version of 22350M," the source said.

    He noted that a large-scale modernization of production is being completed at the plant, boathouses have been vacated in the shops for laying and building two units.

    About the plant and ships

    The ASZ workshops are building four small rocket ships of the Karakurt type according to project 22800 (Rzhev, Udomlya, Pavlovsk and Ussuriysk) and three project 20380 corvettes (Rezkiy, Grozny and Braviy) . Corvettes "Buyniy" and "Razumniy" are being built according to the updated project 20385. According to the contract signed with the Ministry of Defense in 2020, the enterprise will build four corvettes of this project.

    A source in the defense industry told TASS that the laying of the lead frigate of project 22350M at Severnaya Verf is scheduled for 2023, immediately after the commissioning of a new slipway. It is planned to build 12 upgraded Project 22350M frigates, each of which will carry up to 48 Kalibr, Onyx and Zircon cruise missiles. It is assumed that the new frigates will be equipped with the Poliment-Redut anti-aircraft missile system, anti-submarine and torpedo weapons.



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    Post  Arrow Thu Feb 02, 2023 12:57 pm

    source in the defense industry told TASS that the laying of the lead frigate of project 22350M at Severnaya Verf is scheduled for 2023, immediately after the commissioning of a new slipway. It is planned to build 12 upgraded Project 22350M frigates, each of which will carry up to 48 Kalibr, Onyx and Zircon cruise missiles. It is assumed that the new frigates will be equipped with the Poliment-Redut anti-aircraft missile system, anti-submarine and torpedo weapons. wrote:

    So this year they will start building new destroyers for VMF. It is true that 22350M is called a frigate. Considering her powerful armament and displacement of over 8,000 tons, she is a destroyer and heavily armed Very Happy

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    Post  Podlodka77 Thu Feb 02, 2023 1:04 pm

    No, I highly doubt that the new plant will be ready at Severnaya Werf this year.
    In the best case, it should be expected to happen in 2024.
    Severnaya Werf ALREADY has a contract for two more project 22350 frigates for which the keels have not yet been laid, although the contract was signed as early as "Army-2020". As for the Amur Shipyard, the story is different and it is not impossible to lay the keels for the new frigates. There is a lot of talk and the results are still not good.
    On Russian forums, it is increasingly being written that the 22350M could reach 10,000 tons of full displacement.

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    Post  The-thing-next-door Thu Feb 02, 2023 7:12 pm

    So the Project 22350M will have 48 UKSK cells, rather respectable for a frigate. I suppose we can assume atleast 48 Redut cells so that would make 96 VLS cells in total and with Russian missiles being vastly superior it will compare favorably to enemy destroyers.

    The one thing it will however lack is defence against ballistic and hypersonic missiles, but since it is only a frigate that is fine, leave the area defence to the Lider class and have the frigates hide them or coastal ABM systems.

    I just wonder if their frigates outclass western destroyers, what will thier destroyers and missile cruisers be like.
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    Post  Begome Thu Feb 02, 2023 7:23 pm

    The-thing-next-door wrote:The one thing it will however lack is defence against ballistic and hypersonic missiles
    Not so! Even the most recent export version of 9M96 (9M96E2) can intercept ballistic targets flying at up to 2000 m/s (~M6) as long as they come close enough (up to 20 km height and 25 km distance)...this is from a brochure at one of the Army expos, which was posted here a while ago; you can be sure that the domestic version is even better. Of course it's not Russia's premier AD missile in absolute performance but that's because the ones that are, are several times the size, mass and cost and would never fit into the Redut containers Wink

    So against SRBMs and low hypersonic targets (i.e. the ones that the West will be able to acquire in the next few years) it's probably good enough already.

    Edit: and if you check my not very well liked post in this thread (no. 91) you'll see some of my reasoning why I think new, fatter missiles for Redut are likely in the future, which could include a longer ranged type but also one that is better at intercepting more difficult targets, such as perhaps even IRBMs or "real" hypersonic targets.

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    Post  ALAMO Thu Feb 02, 2023 8:58 pm

    Redut is constantly increasing the interception envelope.
    My guess is new algorithms are mastered in action.
    The latest delivered was 160km radius.
    From operational materials on the exercises.
    I will just remind you that the very first given number was 120.
    Not a bad increase, agree?

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    Post  GarryB Fri Feb 03, 2023 4:37 am


    Edit: and if you check my not very well liked post in this thread (no. 91) you'll see some of my reasoning why I think new, fatter missiles for Redut are likely in the future, which could include a longer ranged type but also one that is better at intercepting more difficult targets, such as perhaps even IRBMs or "real" hypersonic targets.

    Don't take that personally... we had a very long discussion about that on a thread directly regarding Redut which we talked the subject to death leading to the conclusion that we will just have to wait and see.

    So this year they will start building new destroyers for VMF. It is true that 22350M is called a frigate. Considering her powerful armament and displacement of over 8,000 tons, she is a destroyer and heavily armed Very Happy

    I suspect this heavy frigate would be considered for long range roles with carrier groups, but any bigger than 10K tons and they are more likely to look at nuclear propulsion which would boost performance, especially sustained high speed dash performance in case of emergency.

    They might have compromised on free space to jam in the extra launchers which would make the ships less suitable for longer voyages, there are a lot of unknowns they need to work out and of course some work needs to be done on nuclear propulsion systems and I suspect also all electric drive systems for their new ships.
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    Post  LMFS Fri Feb 03, 2023 7:06 am

    Project 22350M frigates of the Russian Navy will receive ultra-long-range anti-aircraft guided missiles

    Located in the Naval fleet Russian Federation project 22350M frigates, which are armed with ship-based anti-aircraft missile systems "Polyment-Redut", will receive anti-aircraft guided missiles (SAM) with a range of up to 400 km. This is reported by TASS with reference to a source in the Russian military-industrial complex.

    Currently, the Poliment-Redut complex can use anti-aircraft missiles with a range of 150 kilometers. Thus, the range of the complex will more than double, which will affect the combat capability of the frigates and the effectiveness of their combat use.

    As the TASS, citing a source in the military-industrial complex, an almost three-fold increase in the interception range of air targets will allow Russian frigates to be able to destroy NATO airborne early warning and control aircraft. Long-range missiles will be launched from the cells of the universal ship firing system (UKKS) 3S14.

    Currently, the frigate "Admiral Gorshkov", for example, has 2 UKKS for 16 missiles. On frigates, starting with the ship "Admiral Amelko", which is the fifth in the project, four systems will already be installed, designed for eight missiles each. It is known that they are going to lay the lead frigate of project 22350M in 2023.

    In total, Russia expects to build 12 modernized Project 22350M frigates, which should significantly increase the combat capability of the Russian Navy against the backdrop of current events.

    https://en.topwar.ru/210146-fregaty-proekta-22350m-vmf-rossii-poluchat-sverhdalnie-zenitnye-upravljaemye-rakety.html

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