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    Post  AMCXXL Tue Dec 13, 2022 3:27 pm

    https://todaykhv.ru/news/society/60485/

    Pilots of the 23rd Tallinn Guards Fighter Aviation Regiment, stationed in Komsomolsk-on-Amur, are being trained to fly the newest Russian 5th generation Su-57 fighter. This was stated by the acting commander of the regiment, Guards Colonel Ilya Sizov, according to the news agency "Khabarovsk Territory Today" with reference to the publication "Suvorov Onslaught".

    He said that before entering the new equipment unit, pilots undergo retraining at the center for combat use and retraining of flight personnel in Lipetsk.
    So it was when the Tallinn Regiment received the Su-35S and Su-30SM multi-purpose aircraft, and it is happening now.
    - We are already preparing to accept new equipment. In the same center for combat use and retraining of flight personnel, some officers are undergoing theoretical retraining for the Su-57 multifunctional fighter of the 5th generation, which also proved to be excellent in combat operations, Ilya Sizov said.
    It should be noted that the production of the latest generation of fighters has been established at the Yu.A. Gagarin Komsomol Aircraft Building Plant of the United Aircraft Corporation. In September, the work of the plant was checked by the general director of the state corporation Rostec Sergey Chemezov, who announced the imminent delivery of fighter jets to the Russian Military Space Forces and an increase in the pace of their production.



    So, apparently the Su-57s will go to Dzemgi and the Su-35s, or at least a part of them will move elsewhere.

    I bet to build regiments of 3 squadrons
    That is to say, having in Dzemgi a regiment of 3 squadrons with 1st and 2nd AE of Su-57 and 3rd AE with Su-35
    The surplus squadron of Su-35 would be transferred to Yelizovo, staying there 1st and 2nd AE of MiG-31BM and 3rd AE with Su-35, as they are already in Khotilovo and Tsentralnaya Uglovaya
    He would do the same in Besovets, two squadrons of Su-57 and one of Su-35, taking the other Su-35 squadron to Monchegorsk to complete the regiment with the other two squadrons of MiG-31BM
    The Su-57 also will be destined in the South MD to Krymsk replacong Su-27SM3 and aditional Su-35 squadron will be added here

    In the longer term, it would also send the Su-57 to the regiments where there are now Su-30SMs that would be transferred to the Navy after upgrading
    So we would have 6 regiments with Su-57/Su-35 and another 6 with MiG-31/Su-35

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    Post  GarryB Wed Dec 14, 2022 6:16 am


    So Su-57 can carry 8 air to air missiles internally is what this forum is arguing about? Dont think this info was posted here before.

    That might be showing R-74 or the newer short range air to air missile where that cargo compartment drawing shows 6 missiles side by side but with the outer two mounted on pylons that move inwards for launch so based on the numbers there you would fire number 2 and number 5 missiles first and then missile number one and number six could be moved into positions 2 and 5 respectively making all remaining missile positions ready to fire.

    this would make sense because they have changed the R-77 to fit internal weapon bays so it would make sense that they could fit more than just two or four weapons in each main weapon bay.

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    Post  Isos Wed Dec 14, 2022 10:43 am

    Keep in mind R-73/74 is almost as big as r-77. R-77-1 being longer and r-77M being even longer.

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    Post  Arrow Wed Dec 28, 2022 1:30 pm

    Another new Su 57.
    https://m.vk.com/video-123538639_456294157

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    Post  Podlodka77 Wed Dec 28, 2022 2:12 pm

    To Arrow

    According to the video link, it seems that these are 4 new Su-57s.



    December 28, 13:00

    UAC handed over to the Ministry of Defense a batch of production aircraft of the fifth generation Su-57


    The aircraft were manufactured by Komsomolsk-on-Amur Aviation Plant named after Yu. A. Gagarin of the United Aircraft Corporation

    MOSCOW, 28 December. /TASS/. The United Aircraft Corporation (UAC, part of Rostec) has manufactured and handed over to the Russian Ministry of Defense a batch of Su-57 multirole fighters, the press service of the Ministry of Industry and Trade reported on Wednesday.

    Komsomolsk-on-Amur Aviation Plant named after Yu. A. Gagarin of the United Aircraft Corporation has manufactured and handed over to the Russian Ministry of Defense another batch of fifth-generation Su-57 production aircraft as part of the current year's supply program," the report says.

    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/16705703

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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Wed Dec 28, 2022 2:32 pm

    Four Su-57s spotted flying over Novosibirsk today:



    Probably the very same batch that was handed over.

    That sound though... Chilling as always. Some TIE-fighter level stuff created by that intake radar blocker.

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    Post  Belisarius Wed Dec 28, 2022 2:40 pm

    So there are 9 Su-57s now?🤔
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    Post  Podlodka77 Wed Dec 28, 2022 2:48 pm

    KnAAZ has manufactured and handed over to the Russian Ministry of Defense another batch of production aircraft of the fifth generation Su-57 as part of the current year's supply program.

    “Our aircraft plant in Komsomolsk-on-Amur has completed the current year’s program for the production of fifth-generation Su-57 aviation systems and Su-35S multirole fighters for the Russian Aerospace Forces. We will continue to fulfill our obligations. Aircraft scheduled for delivery next year are already in production,” said Yury Slyusar, General Director of UAC.

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    https://t.me/uac_ru/936?single

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    Post  Isos Wed Dec 28, 2022 3:35 pm

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    Post  Podlodka77 Wed Dec 28, 2022 4:02 pm

    Garry, please explain to some arrogant people not to post links that have already been posted. The French must have already seen that the link he posted was previously posted by ARROW.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Wed Dec 28, 2022 5:32 pm

    It is said that 4 Su57 were handed over

    even though the video shows only 2

    This would complete the 12 plane squadron

    8 had been delivered, and with these 4, the squadron is filled

    Recall 1 had crashed so the squadron is incomplete, but nonetheless good progress
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    Post  Podlodka77 Wed Dec 28, 2022 5:41 pm

    If you carefully watch the video link posted by ARROW, you will see that from 01:05 two planes are heading in the direction of the airstrip, while TWO other planes are repeated AGAIN from 01:40.
    In my opinion, this is an indication that there are 4 planes because I see no reason to DUPLICATE the takeoff of two planes on the video link.
    There is no official confirmation of how many Su-57 aircraft have been delivered to the Russian Air Force, at least not yet, but I think the video link shows 4 aircraft.


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    Post  limb Wed Dec 28, 2022 5:42 pm

    So whats the verdict on the dual stage solid rocket R-77M and ramjet R-77M? Are they in service, just not shown for secrecy? Why is Isos saying that they're not ready yet? Why would the Su-57 be in service if its main internal AAM isnt in service? Bureaucracy? Saving face?
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    Post  ALAMO Wed Dec 28, 2022 5:52 pm

    New post  Podlodka77 Today at 5:41 pm

    If you carefully watch the video link posted by ARROW, you will see that from 01:05 two planes are heading in the direction of the airstrip, while TWO other planes are repeated AGAIN from 01:40.
    In my opinion, this is an indication that there are 4 planes because I see no reason to DUPLICATE the takeoff of two planes on the video link.
    There is no official confirmation of how many Su-57 aircraft have been delivered to the Russian Air Force, at least not yet, but I think the video link shows 4 aircraft.


    Don't be so sure bro, and never underestimate the value of proper propaganda, you know What a Face
    It was in Rudel memories if I remember, where he described of how they wanted to impress and fool the Soviets for He-112.
    They had one plane capable for a lift off, so they pushed it out of a factory hangar, to make it fly.
    When landed, they were pushing it back to the hangar using the other side gate, only to roll it to the front one and make it fly again Laughing Laughing
    Factory pilots replaced themselves in the cockpit while on rolling Laughing Laughing Laughing only to impress the guests.

    Edit, yes, I know that four were handed over Very Happy


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    Post  TMA1 Wed Dec 28, 2022 5:54 pm

    Awesome. They are looking very nice. Slav doomers go back to your moon rune forums pls. Go bitch and moan over there. This is some lovely work.

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    Post  mack8 Wed Dec 28, 2022 6:17 pm

    There are 4 Smile

    https://imgbb.com/x3q4RBr

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    Post  AMCXXL Wed Dec 28, 2022 8:48 pm

    @Arkanghelsk

    It is said that 4 Su57 were handed over

    This would complete the 12 plane squadron

    8 had been delivered, and with these 4, the squadron is filled

    Recall 1 had crashed so the squadron is incomplete, but nonetheless good progress

    this airplanes are probably for 23 IAP, after retraining in Lipetsk

    01 blue for Zhukovsky
    02 red for Akhtubinsk
    52,53,54 for Lipetsk
    4 new airplanes , probably now go to Lipetsk and later return to Dzemgi , so 7 in the Lipetsk squadron now
    (remember, Voronezh received first 4 Su-34 in late 2011 or 2012 from Lipetsk (nº06 to 09)  after forming a squadron of 9 in Lipetsk between 2007 and 2010

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    Post  LMFS Thu Dec 29, 2022 3:36 am

    4 units are the number expected for this year, now there are 13 to go to match the amount of 22 airframes announced until 2024, probably 6 units next year and 7 the following one. Production pace and predictability seem to be improving step by step, now the numbers seem very low but by 2025 we may be seeing the production of one squadron per year, a pace that will be probably sustained for the next 10 years or more...

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    Post  Podlodka77 Thu Dec 29, 2022 8:19 am

    BMPD


    Russian Aerospace Forces received four new serial Su-57 fighters

       On December 28, 2022, United Aircraft Corporation PJSC announced that Komsomolsk-on-Amur Aviation Plant named after Yu.A. Gagarin, United Aircraft Corporation PJSC (UAC PJSC, part of the Rostec State Corporation) manufactured and handed over to the Russian Ministry of Defense another batch of fifth-generation Su-57 production aircraft as part of the current year's supply program.

    “Systemic decisions taken at the state level to support the modernization of the enterprise made it possible to launch mass production of fifth-generation aircraft in a timely manner. The expansion of production capacities continues, new high-tech equipment is put into operation, additional production personnel are involved. A modern production line for final assembly is in operation,” said Denis Manturov, Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian Federation, Minister of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation.

    “A new batch of fifth-generation Su-57 fighters has been delivered under a large contract with the Russian Ministry of Defense. This aircraft is the future of Russian combat aviation, it embodies advanced technologies and design solutions. It has super-maneuverability, is hardly noticeable, can destroy air and ground targets, detect the enemy at long distances, and operate in a network-centric war. Composite materials are widely used in its airframe, the aircraft is equipped with the latest on-board equipment.
    Now at KnAAZ them. Yu.A. Gagarin in Komsomolsk-on-Amur, a large-scale modernization project is being implemented, which will significantly increase the production of these combat vehicles, ”said Sergey Chemezov, CEO of Rostec.

    “Our aircraft plant in Komsomolsk-on-Amur has completed the program for the current year for the production of fifth-generation Su-57 aviation systems and Su-35S multi-role fighters for the Russian Aerospace Forces. We will continue to fulfill our obligations. The aircraft scheduled for delivery next year are already in production,” said Yury Slyusar, Director General of PJSC UAC.

    On the part of bmpd, we point out that, as spotters reported, on December 28, 2022, four new fifth-generation Su-57 fighter jets received by the Russian Aerospace Forces made an intermediate landing at Novosibirsk Tolmachevo airport while transferring to their bases in the European part of Russia from Komsomolsk-on-Amur.
    Thus, the Russian Aerospace Forces received four more Yu.A. Gagarin (KnAAZ) PJSC "United Aircraft Corporation" serial fifth-generation fighter Su-57, in addition to two transferred in May 2022. On all known video and photographic materials, the side numbers and registration of the four fighters transmitted in December are retouched. The two Su-57 fighters handed over in May had red tail numbers "53" (registration number RF-81777) and "54" (registration number RF-81778).

    It is noteworthy that the four Su-57s now transferred for the first time from the production aircraft of this type have external suspension with ejection devices for weapons.

    Thus, in total, by now, the Russian Aerospace Forces, apparently, have received ten serial Su-57 fighters:

    Tail number "01" is the first serial Su-57 fighter (T-50S-2 aircraft, serial number 51002) produced by KnAAZ, actually received by the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation on January 29, 2021. Initially had tail number "01 blue".

    Board number "02 red" - built in 2021, seen in Tolmachevo during the ferry on February 3, 2022, while carrying the emblem of the 929th State Flight Test Center named after V.P. Chkalov of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation in Akhtubinsk (Astrakhanskaya region). Presumably, it originally had tail number "02 blue" (T-50S-3, serial number 52201).

    Tail number "52 red" (registration number RF-81775) - built in 2021, spotted in Tolmachevo during the ferry on February 3, 2022.

    Board numbers "53 red" (registration number RF-81777) and "54 red" (registration number RF-81778) - built in 2022, seen in Tolmachevo during the ferry on May 25-26, 2022.

    Tail number "52 blue" - the aircraft demonstrated in the KnAAZ presentation video at the beginning of 2022. Apparently, the board was built in 2021, but so far it has not been noted in Tolmachevo during the ferry.

    Four Su-57 fighters, built in 2022, have now been handed over, side and registration numbers have been retouched.

    Recall that in August 2018, at the International Military-Technical Forum "Army-2018", the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation and PJSC "Company" Sukhoi "(as part of the UAC) signed a contract for the supply of the first two serial fighters of the fifth generation Su-57 to the Armed Forces (in the guise of T-50S - sides of T-50S-1 and T-50S-2) with engines of the "first stage" ("product 117"). The terms of the contract were 2018-2020, with delivery of one aircraft in 2019 and 2020.

    In June 2019, at the Army-2019 International Military-Technical Forum, the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation and PJSC Sukhoi Company signed a contract for the supply of a total of 76 fifth-generation Su-57 serial fighters to the Armed Forces (including the first two contracted in 2018 aircraft), with a contract term of 2027.

    The first serial Su-57 aircraft (T-50S-1 aircraft, serial number 51001, tail number "01 blue"), built at KnAAZ, made its first flight in Komsomolsk-on-Amur in early December 2019 and was planned to be transferred to the Ministry of Defense On December 27, but on December 24, 2019, at the final stage of factory testing, it crashed as a result of an accident, due, presumably, to a failure in the aircraft control system.

    Flight tests of the second of two production models of the Su-57 fighter contracted in 2018 (T-50S-2 aircraft, serial number 51002) began in Komsomolsk-on-Amur in October 2020, it also received the initial tail number "01 blue" , and was commissioned in December 2020, but only on January 29, 2021 was it officially transferred to the Ministry of Defense. The aircraft is part of the 929th State Flight Test Center named after V.P. Chkalov of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation in Akhtubinsk.

    In 2021, KnAAZ apparently built the next three production Su-57 fighters under a 2019 contract, and six more in 2022.


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    Four new serial Su-57 fighters built by the Komsomolsk-on-Amur Aviation Plant named after Yu.A. Gagarin of United Aircraft Corporation PJSC during an intermediate landing at Novosibirsk Tolmachevo Airport during transfer to base locations in the European part of Russia, 12/28/2022. Side and registration numbers retouched (c) NSK Planes

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    Post  GarryB Thu Dec 29, 2022 10:06 am

    Garry, please explain to some arrogant people not to post links that have already been posted.

    It is on topic, and I don't think it was deliberate repetition, so I am not going to do anything about it.

    In busy threads this sort of thing happens all the time... I would only call it out if it was intentional with the intent to be annoying, which I have no reason to think it is in this case.

    So whats the verdict on the dual stage solid rocket R-77M and ramjet R-77M?

    The ramjet powered R-77 was stopped to focus on the improved rocket motor model to get it into service faster... in service missiles are secret and may have entered service years ago for all we know... they wont say.

    A scramjet powered R-77 would make more sense as it would have a flight speed 3-4 times faster than a ramjet powered missile but offer the same design requirements and problems that a ramjet powered model would represent. The problems are similar but the results would be vastly better with a scramjet powered missile.

    Note an R-77 flying towards you represents a circle about the size of a bread and butter plate with fins sticking out... a scramjet powered missile could be traveling at 2 to 3km/s so one second it is 2 to 3 kms away and a second later it is destroying your aircraft... you wont see it at more than 500m away so between the time you could possibly see it and when it hits your aircraft you wont even have time to sht yourself let alone dodge it... especially if it is coming down near vertically where your stealth will be zero.

    Are they in service, just not shown for secrecy?

    In service missiles are a secret they don't normally talk about.

    Why is Isos saying that they're not ready yet?

    He is assuming so he can pretend that Russia doesn't have any decent AAMs... ignoring the R-73 and R-74 which are both still very good, and the R-37M which has no western equivalent, and that the RVV-SD are actually good too.

    Why would the Su-57 be in service if its main internal AAM isnt in service? Bureaucracy? Saving face?

    Any development can hit snags or have delays for various reasons and there is certainly no guarantee the new missiles being developed for the Su-57 will all be ready for service just because it is now in serial production.

    Considering the current conflict and the enemy mostly consists of individual old model MiG-29s and early model Su-27s and of course Mi-8 helicopters, then R-77s and R-37s and R-73s should be just fine in terms of getting the job done.

    Don't be so sure bro, and never underestimate the value of proper propaganda, you know

    During the cold war with air parades over Moscow they often flew bombers round in circuits with no numbers pretending to be more bombers than they actually had, but in this case what would be the value of a lie... the video shown in an earlier post shows four aircraft flying together too.

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    Post  Isos Thu Dec 29, 2022 12:00 pm

    R-77M is being tested. Already pictured on the su-57 and they seem to have 2 versions of it. Probably being at the end of its tests or starting production.

    Su-57, thanks to it stealth, can do just fine with r-77-1 (if it can carry it internally). It can sneak easily in engagement range of its r-77-1 undetected and launch them.

    R-77M is more important for su-30/35 that aren't stealthy and lack first shoot capability against aim-120D or meteor equiped western aircraft or pl-15/21 equiped chinese aircraft. R-37M isn't a replacement for r-77-1 even if it allows them to shoot first.

    Garry, please explain to some arrogant people not to post links that have already been posted.

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    Post  ALAMO Thu Dec 29, 2022 1:02 pm

    Note an R-77 flying towards you represents a circle about the size of a bread and butter plate with fins sticking out... a scramjet powered missile could be traveling at 2 to 3km/s so one second it is 2 to 3 kms away and a second later it is destroying your aircraft... you wont see it at more than 500m away so between the time you could possibly see it and when it hits your aircraft you wont even have time to sht yourself let alone dodge it... especially if it is coming down near vertically where your stealth will be zero.

    This things work both direction.
    Sure you can make a missile that will fly 3km/s, yet it will struggle with accuracy for the very same reason.
    To maneuver at such high speeds need a whole system to be overcomplicated, starting from the mechanical/gas steering and ending up on the computing power of on board systems.
    I suppose it is a kind of trade off - the missile must be fast enough to catch the victim, yet slow enough not to overcomplicate things.
    One of the fastest missiles created was 5W28 used in S-200 Vega, that could go at Ma5.0.
    Very similar speed was attributed to AIM-54, but was downgraded in need to make it more versatile and useful against maneuvering targets.
    Even specialized anti-ballistic (yet common) 9M82 does not reach 2000m/s speed.
    Doesn't sound like an accident if you ask me.
    The only pieces that have really different parameters are dedicated interceptors, which pay the price being huge, expensive etc ...

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    Post  Isos Thu Dec 29, 2022 1:43 pm

    Just stop propulsion at the right time so that the missile fall on the target at around mach 2.7 which is a speed where radar won't be affected by speed and the target will struggle evading the missile.

    High speed is needed to reach the target specially at long range.

    You can calcul the time needed for a mach 3 missiles to reach 100km away.

    Mach 3 is around 1000m/s. So you would need around 100sec which 1min40sec of flight. And missiles loose speed after burning their engines.

    In 2 minutes the enemy has enough time to go low between mountains and evade your missiles.

    With a mach 8 missiles it will get to the target in less than 30 sec leaving no chance to evade it. Then once in range of the seaker it can slow down, it will still have enough speed to hit any plane.

    Higher speed gives you also advantage even if your opponent has same or longer range missiles.

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    Post  thegopnik Thu Dec 29, 2022 4:14 pm

    New years resolutions for the su-57.

    1. Even though they said in 2019 they did not have enough time to implement GaN maybe they will have enough modules for production for 2024 for new variant. With 2nd stage engine.

    2. A Su-57m2 production in 2027 because of armament program or new order with 3 stream cycle engines and photonic radars, since they have a PIC production to start in 2024. I think I would be pushing it if I was thinking photonic radars would be implemented on the 2nd version.

    3. Since the hypersonic internal air to ground missile dream has been met, I want the 18 air to air missile layout. I heard paralay said 8 1.5 meter drones can fit in a internal compartment not compartments with an S at the end in his forum. Also the wing bay roots. If CUDA is like 1.6-1.7 meter missiles than russians should have such a variant 1st. We have seen 1 meter size quad packed pantsir missiles before, but the su-57 will have sensor fusion of data coming from new broadband radar frequencies, with new UV and infrared detection sensors combined for way better accuracy to intercept incoming air to air missiles.
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