Su-57 Stealth Fighter: News #8

Keep in mind R-73/74 is almost as big as r-77. R-77-1 being longer and r-77M being even longer.

To Arrow

According to the video link, it seems that these are 4 new Su-57s.



December 28, 13:00

UAC handed over to the Ministry of Defense a batch of production aircraft of the fifth generation Su-57

The aircraft were manufactured by Komsomolsk-on-Amur Aviation Plant named after Yu. A. Gagarin of the United Aircraft Corporation

MOSCOW, 28 December. /TASS/. The United Aircraft Corporation (UAC, part of Rostec) has manufactured and handed over to the Russian Ministry of Defense a batch of Su-57 multirole fighters, the press service of the Ministry of Industry and Trade reported on Wednesday.

Komsomolsk-on-Amur Aviation Plant named after Yu. A. Gagarin of the United Aircraft Corporation has manufactured and handed over to the Russian Ministry of Defense another batch of fifth-generation Su-57 production aircraft as part of the current year's supply program," the report says.

https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/16705703

Four Su-57s spotted flying over Novosibirsk today:



Probably the very same batch that was handed over.

That sound though... Chilling as always. Some TIE-fighter level stuff created by that intake radar blocker.

KnAAZ has manufactured and handed over to the Russian Ministry of Defense another batch of production aircraft of the fifth generation Su-57 as part of the current year's supply program.

“Our aircraft plant in Komsomolsk-on-Amur has completed the current year’s program for the production of fifth-generation Su-57 aviation systems and Su-35S multirole fighters for the Russian Aerospace Forces. We will continue to fulfill our obligations. Aircraft scheduled for delivery next year are already in production,” said Yury Slyusar, General Director of UAC.





https://t.me/uac_ru/936?single

Garry, please explain to some arrogant people not to post links that have already been posted. The French must have already seen that the link he posted was previously posted by ARROW.

It is said that 4 Su57 were handed over

even though the video shows only 2

This would complete the 12 plane squadron

8 had been delivered, and with these 4, the squadron is filled

Recall 1 had crashed so the squadron is incomplete, but nonetheless good progress

If you carefully watch the video link posted by ARROW, you will see that from 01:05 two planes are heading in the direction of the airstrip, while TWO other planes are repeated AGAIN from 01:40.
In my opinion, this is an indication that there are 4 planes because I see no reason to DUPLICATE the takeoff of two planes on the video link.
There is no official confirmation of how many Su-57 aircraft have been delivered to the Russian Air Force, at least not yet, but I think the video link shows 4 aircraft.

So whats the verdict on the dual stage solid rocket R-77M and ramjet R-77M? Are they in service, just not shown for secrecy? Why is Isos saying that they're not ready yet? Why would the Su-57 be in service if its main internal AAM isnt in service? Bureaucracy? Saving face?

Awesome. They are looking very nice. Slav doomers go back to your moon rune forums pls. Go bitch and moan over there. This is some lovely work.

There are 4

https://imgbb.com/x3q4RBr

@Arkanghelsk

It is said that 4 Su57 were handed over

This would complete the 12 plane squadron

8 had been delivered, and with these 4, the squadron is filled

Recall 1 had crashed so the squadron is incomplete, but nonetheless good progress

this airplanes are probably for 23 IAP, after retraining in Lipetsk

01 blue for Zhukovsky
02 red for Akhtubinsk
52,53,54 for Lipetsk
4 new airplanes , probably now go to Lipetsk and later return to Dzemgi , so 7 in the Lipetsk squadron now
(remember, Voronezh received first 4 Su-34 in late 2011 or 2012 from Lipetsk (nº06 to 09)  after forming a squadron of 9 in Lipetsk between 2007 and 2010

4 units are the number expected for this year, now there are 13 to go to match the amount of 22 airframes announced until 2024, probably 6 units next year and 7 the following one. Production pace and predictability seem to be improving step by step, now the numbers seem very low but by 2025 we may be seeing the production of one squadron per year, a pace that will be probably sustained for the next 10 years or more...

BMPD


Russian Aerospace Forces received four new serial Su-57 fighters

   On December 28, 2022, United Aircraft Corporation PJSC announced that Komsomolsk-on-Amur Aviation Plant named after Yu.A. Gagarin, United Aircraft Corporation PJSC (UAC PJSC, part of the Rostec State Corporation) manufactured and handed over to the Russian Ministry of Defense another batch of fifth-generation Su-57 production aircraft as part of the current year's supply program.

“Systemic decisions taken at the state level to support the modernization of the enterprise made it possible to launch mass production of fifth-generation aircraft in a timely manner. The expansion of production capacities continues, new high-tech equipment is put into operation, additional production personnel are involved. A modern production line for final assembly is in operation,” said Denis Manturov, Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian Federation, Minister of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation.

“A new batch of fifth-generation Su-57 fighters has been delivered under a large contract with the Russian Ministry of Defense. This aircraft is the future of Russian combat aviation, it embodies advanced technologies and design solutions. It has super-maneuverability, is hardly noticeable, can destroy air and ground targets, detect the enemy at long distances, and operate in a network-centric war. Composite materials are widely used in its airframe, the aircraft is equipped with the latest on-board equipment.
Now at KnAAZ them. Yu.A. Gagarin in Komsomolsk-on-Amur, a large-scale modernization project is being implemented, which will significantly increase the production of these combat vehicles, ”said Sergey Chemezov, CEO of Rostec.

“Our aircraft plant in Komsomolsk-on-Amur has completed the program for the current year for the production of fifth-generation Su-57 aviation systems and Su-35S multi-role fighters for the Russian Aerospace Forces. We will continue to fulfill our obligations. The aircraft scheduled for delivery next year are already in production,” said Yury Slyusar, Director General of PJSC UAC.

On the part of bmpd, we point out that, as spotters reported, on December 28, 2022, four new fifth-generation Su-57 fighter jets received by the Russian Aerospace Forces made an intermediate landing at Novosibirsk Tolmachevo airport while transferring to their bases in the European part of Russia from Komsomolsk-on-Amur.
Thus, the Russian Aerospace Forces received four more Yu.A. Gagarin (KnAAZ) PJSC "United Aircraft Corporation" serial fifth-generation fighter Su-57, in addition to two transferred in May 2022. On all known video and photographic materials, the side numbers and registration of the four fighters transmitted in December are retouched. The two Su-57 fighters handed over in May had red tail numbers "53" (registration number RF-81777) and "54" (registration number RF-81778).

It is noteworthy that the four Su-57s now transferred for the first time from the production aircraft of this type have external suspension with ejection devices for weapons.

Thus, in total, by now, the Russian Aerospace Forces, apparently, have received ten serial Su-57 fighters:

Tail number "01" is the first serial Su-57 fighter (T-50S-2 aircraft, serial number 51002) produced by KnAAZ, actually received by the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation on January 29, 2021. Initially had tail number "01 blue".

Board number "02 red" - built in 2021, seen in Tolmachevo during the ferry on February 3, 2022, while carrying the emblem of the 929th State Flight Test Center named after V.P. Chkalov of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation in Akhtubinsk (Astrakhanskaya region). Presumably, it originally had tail number "02 blue" (T-50S-3, serial number 52201).

Tail number "52 red" (registration number RF-81775) - built in 2021, spotted in Tolmachevo during the ferry on February 3, 2022.

Board numbers "53 red" (registration number RF-81777) and "54 red" (registration number RF-81778) - built in 2022, seen in Tolmachevo during the ferry on May 25-26, 2022.

Tail number "52 blue" - the aircraft demonstrated in the KnAAZ presentation video at the beginning of 2022. Apparently, the board was built in 2021, but so far it has not been noted in Tolmachevo during the ferry.

Four Su-57 fighters, built in 2022, have now been handed over, side and registration numbers have been retouched.

Recall that in August 2018, at the International Military-Technical Forum "Army-2018", the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation and PJSC "Company" Sukhoi "(as part of the UAC) signed a contract for the supply of the first two serial fighters of the fifth generation Su-57 to the Armed Forces (in the guise of T-50S - sides of T-50S-1 and T-50S-2) with engines of the "first stage" ("product 117"). The terms of the contract were 2018-2020, with delivery of one aircraft in 2019 and 2020.

In June 2019, at the Army-2019 International Military-Technical Forum, the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation and PJSC Sukhoi Company signed a contract for the supply of a total of 76 fifth-generation Su-57 serial fighters to the Armed Forces (including the first two contracted in 2018 aircraft), with a contract term of 2027.

The first serial Su-57 aircraft (T-50S-1 aircraft, serial number 51001, tail number "01 blue"), built at KnAAZ, made its first flight in Komsomolsk-on-Amur in early December 2019 and was planned to be transferred to the Ministry of Defense On December 27, but on December 24, 2019, at the final stage of factory testing, it crashed as a result of an accident, due, presumably, to a failure in the aircraft control system.

Flight tests of the second of two production models of the Su-57 fighter contracted in 2018 (T-50S-2 aircraft, serial number 51002) began in Komsomolsk-on-Amur in October 2020, it also received the initial tail number "01 blue" , and was commissioned in December 2020, but only on January 29, 2021 was it officially transferred to the Ministry of Defense. The aircraft is part of the 929th State Flight Test Center named after V.P. Chkalov of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation in Akhtubinsk.

In 2021, KnAAZ apparently built the next three production Su-57 fighters under a 2019 contract, and six more in 2022.


Four new serial Su-57 fighters built by the Komsomolsk-on-Amur Aviation Plant named after Yu.A. Gagarin of United Aircraft Corporation PJSC during an intermediate landing at Novosibirsk Tolmachevo Airport during transfer to base locations in the European part of Russia, 12/28/2022. Side and registration numbers retouched (c) NSK Planes

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R-77M is being tested. Already pictured on the su-57 and they seem to have 2 versions of it. Probably being at the end of its tests or starting production.

Su-57, thanks to it stealth, can do just fine with r-77-1 (if it can carry it internally). It can sneak easily in engagement range of its r-77-1 undetected and launch them.

R-77M is more important for su-30/35 that aren't stealthy and lack first shoot capability against aim-120D or meteor equiped western aircraft or pl-15/21 equiped chinese aircraft. R-37M isn't a replacement for r-77-1 even if it allows them to shoot first.

Garry, please explain to some arrogant people not to post links that have already been posted.

Finished fucking yourself ? You can do it again you know.

Just stop propulsion at the right time so that the missile fall on the target at around mach 2.7 which is a speed where radar won't be affected by speed and the target will struggle evading the missile.

High speed is needed to reach the target specially at long range.

You can calcul the time needed for a mach 3 missiles to reach 100km away.

Mach 3 is around 1000m/s. So you would need around 100sec which 1min40sec of flight. And missiles loose speed after burning their engines.

In 2 minutes the enemy has enough time to go low between mountains and evade your missiles.

With a mach 8 missiles it will get to the target in less than 30 sec leaving no chance to evade it. Then once in range of the seaker it can slow down, it will still have enough speed to hit any plane.

Higher speed gives you also advantage even if your opponent has same or longer range missiles.

New years resolutions for the su-57.

1. Even though they said in 2019 they did not have enough time to implement GaN maybe they will have enough modules for production for 2024 for new variant. With 2nd stage engine.

2. A Su-57m2 production in 2027 because of armament program or new order with 3 stream cycle engines and photonic radars, since they have a PIC production to start in 2024. I think I would be pushing it if I was thinking photonic radars would be implemented on the 2nd version.

3. Since the hypersonic internal air to ground missile dream has been met, I want the 18 air to air missile layout. I heard paralay said 8 1.5 meter drones can fit in a internal compartment not compartments with an S at the end in his forum. Also the wing bay roots. If CUDA is like 1.6-1.7 meter missiles than russians should have such a variant 1st. We have seen 1 meter size quad packed pantsir missiles before, but the su-57 will have sensor fusion of data coming from new broadband radar frequencies, with new UV and infrared detection sensors combined for way better accuracy to intercept incoming air to air missiles.

ALAMO

This things work both direction. Sure you can make a missile that will fly 3km/s, yet it will struggle with accuracy for the very same reason. To maneuver at such high speeds need a whole system to be overcomplicated, starting from the mechanical/gas steering and ending up on the computing power of on board systems. I suppose it is a kind of trade off - the missile must be fast enough to catch the victim, yet slow enough not to overcomplicate things. One of the fastest missiles created was 5W28 used in S-200 Vega, that could go at Ma5.0. Very similar speed was attributed to AIM-54, but was downgraded in need to make it more versatile and useful against maneuvering targets. Even specialized anti-ballistic (yet common) 9M82 does not reach 2000m/s speed. Doesn't sound like an accident if you ask me. The only pieces that have really different parameters are dedicated interceptors, which pay the price being huge, expensive etc ... wrote:

I'm pretty rusty lately regarding the aerospace thematic (don't have the time to upgrade on the subject), but I have few remarks that could be interesting?!

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Here is the declassified table for the missiles that S-400 is using.
We can see that some missiles can fly at the speed of 2500 m/s, and can hit the targets that are traveling at speeds up to 4800 m/s!
So, from the perspective of guidance and processing power/speed I think there should be no problem for the hypersonic air to air missile to hit much slower target such as fighter plane.

Now here comes an interesting part, and why I think that the missiles such as R-37M are very dangerous!

Since I'm a professional falconer, many years back I had a theory that Peregrine Falcon uses the same "guidance" principals as modern missiles called PN guidance law (Proportional Navigation guidance law).

Observing many peregrine attacks on other birds in the air I have noticed that inexperienced immature falcons tend to tail chase a lot at the beginning of their training.
One of the most challenging prey species is the pigeon that has lower wing loading than the peregrine falcon which makes it very maneuverable, I would say more maneuverable at comparable speeds, but it has somewhat lower top level speed.  
When the peregrine is approaching the pigeon at lower closure rate there is almost no chance for the falcon to make the contact because the pigeon is able to outmaneuver the falcon!
Since the closure rate is relatively slow, the pigeon has enough time to make a good timing and to evade a predator by sharply turning.

Here are few videos of my immature peregrine male as an example:





The situation is changing when the peregrine falcon starts to realize that higher closure rate creates many problems for the pigeon!
Attacking the pigeon from the higher altitude in a dive at very high speed provides the falcon few advantages. First, the falcon is able to pull much more G's than the pigeon. Second, the falcon is not tail chasing the pigeon, he is intercepting the pigeon which means he doesn't need to pull proportionally so much more G's than the pigeon in order to follow its every turn, and thirdly, extremely high closure rate creates the problem for the pigeon to optimally time the evasive maneuver/turn.

Here are few videos of my male peregrine falcon that illustrate that:







In every case the peregrine has made a contact from a dive and has damaged the pigeon enough that he was not able to escape!

In my opinion, the biggest problem for the pigeon is actually the timing, because even if the pigeon is able to pull enough G's to make enough of a sharp turn (which is not the case in reality for the most part in such a set up), if he does it to early, the peregrine has enough time to make a very small adjustment and to intercept the pigeon.
If the pigeon does the turn to late, he won't be able to dodge the peregrine because the falcon is for the most part traveling at about three times higher speeds, and to make it even worse, he is traveling on interception course, not catching up from behind!

The worse thing any bird can do in this case is to make a sustained G turn when being attacked by the high speed peregrine!
Doing sustained G turn is almost the same as flying in a strait line because its flight path is predictable for the system that is using the PN guidance law.
The ducks and pheasants very often make such turns and are much easier to get hit compared to the pigeons.

Here are few examples:







Translating my experience with the falcons to the fighter planes and missiles, I have started to think about the best method for a fighter pilot to evade the incoming missile and logical choice for me was to look at what the experienced pigeon is doing when being attacked by the stooping peregrine!
The good pigeon, when alerted to an attack from a high distance will start to make zig zag flight pattern, and then a series of controlled jinking maneuvers when the falcon is approaching (similar situation as if the the fighter plane is inside of no escape zone NEZ of the missile).
What that creates is the number of problems for the peregrine to solve!
In the first place the peregrine has to react to every jink in order to be able to timely intercept the target because every jink is potentially a high G evading turn. By reacting to the jinking of the pigeon the falcon is loosing the speed/energy and is also loosing the time for the proper adjustment for the final blow because he constantly has to readjust its position relative to the target.
When the peregrine is in the reach of the pigeon, in a split second the pigeon is pulling the high G instantaneous turn, and because he was already created the problems that made the falcon flying in the less than optimal conditions, he is able to outmaneuver the peregrine!
 
Now, years letter few studies have emerged that have proven all my theories!

https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1714532114

https://journals.plos.org/ploscompbiol/article?id=10.1371/journal.pcbi.1006044



It is incredible how accurate the computer simulations were in this assessments, and also, an open loop missile evasion algorithm created by using the super computers confirmed that the best method for evading the high speed incoming missile is the very same thing experienced pigeon is doing when being attacked by the peregrine falcon!

https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/citations/ADA136834

Now, why I think that the pigeon has far better chances of evading the peregrine than an F-16 evading the R-37M?!

The answer is timing!

In order for the pilot to evade the hypersonic missile, he needs to have the same situational awareness as the pigeon does, and that is almost 360 deg visual/spherical coverage. There is only one blind spot for the pigeon, but that is another subject.
At the moment there is no system that is able to provide the pilot his position relative to the missile in the way he can react perfectly against the hypersonic missile.
The Su-57 is the closest to be able to solve the problem with its UV/IR and radar sensors spread all over the planes hull, but they are able to provide the data for the DIRCM system to react timely, not the pilot, and since the R-37M can't be neutralized with the DIRCM system, the only chance the pilot has is the ECM, chafts, and maneuvering which is hampered by the fact that pilot has to have almost perfect timing!
The fact that R-37M has few times bigger and powerful active seeker, and few times bigger warhead compared to the AIM-120D makes the things even worse!

At the end of a day, maybe my theory is wrong, but aside from a lower maneuverability and bigger size, the R-37M has many advantages compared to the more maneuverable missiles such as R-77-1 or AIM/120D in my opinion, because aside from the obvious advantages that I have listed, much higher range can be also translated to higher maneuverability.
That means, if a missile has higher potential energy at the end of the flight path (which is going to happen if the missile is fired at a long range at maneuvering target), that higher energy can be consequentially used for maneuvering, while other missiles with much lower range will be left with a slow speed and no energy for maneuvering!