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    Αnti-Rogozin thread for tantrums.

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    Post  Scorpius Sun Sep 19, 2021 6:05 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Scorpius wrote:...

    Were you asleep for past half a decade?

    Russia is clogged with sanctions, every single segment of Russian aerospace industry is under sanctions except specific parts that benefit USA (which will also be sanctioned as soon as it's convenient for USA)

    Rogozin is sanctioned as well alongside everyone else above certain pay grade in Roskosmos

    And most importantly Americans are not using trampoline for anything but have developed several new systems all more efficient than Soviet leftovers that Russia still uses and is unable to move away from

    Only thing Trampoline Man accomplished was to out himself as retard for entire world to see and to make Russia look like nation of morons for tolerating his braindead bullshit




    Rogozin is sanctioned as well alongside everyone else above certain pay grade in Roskosmos
    There was not a word about sanctions against Rogozin (he does not care about them, as he has repeatedly said). The quote referred to sanctions against Russian enterprises that provide flights to the ISS.


    And most importantly Americans are not using trampoline for anything but have developed several new systems all more efficient than Soviet leftovers that Russia still uses and is unable to move away from
    Ok, you could immediately write that you like to lick the sweet penis* of your American masters - then I would not waste my time on explanations.

    But just so that outsiders understand the nonsense of your argument: the Americans began developing their spaceships TEN YEARS BEFORE Rogozin uttered the phrase about trampolines.

    Americans are not using trampoline for anything but have developed several new systems all more efficient than Soviet leftovers
    What is their "superiority" over Soviet technologies expressed in?

    Soviet leftovers that Russia still uses and is unable to move away from
    This is such a blatant level of incompetence that I don't know whether to laugh or resent it.

    *OK, man, before you get offended , I got you drunk on your own qoolaid. You use exactly the same turns of speech.

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    Post  kvs Sun Sep 19, 2021 6:20 pm

    PD has Russia derangement syndrome. This is a common disease because so many losers want to get off by feeling superior
    over Russians (thanks to incessant western propaganda painting Russians as untermenschen) but realize that it is they themselves
    that are inferior. So out comes the hate diarrhea.

    PD thinks that all Russian rockets are the same design as in 1990 and Russia is just using old Soviet stock. What a moron. Even
    the Soyuz is a different design. Also, what is wrong with evolving clearly great Soviet rocket models instead of trashing them like
    Ukr-tards to prove how un-Soviet the new order is.

    Let's see a spacewalk in those Space-X Armani space suits.



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    Post  Hole Sun Sep 19, 2021 8:07 pm

    Most of these great new american systems are the same. Very efficent to develop the same rocket tech over and over again because some Oligarchs have problems with their little d... censored

    It would be better if this great mankind loving ultra rich guys gave a few Billion to real scientists and let them develop new satellites or build new telescopes. That would really do something.

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    Post  GarryB Mon Sep 20, 2021 1:01 pm

    This is the anti Rogozin thread for tantrums, so if members want to unload then they are entitled to do so but need to be aware that just because the thread topic is anti Rogozin rants and tantrums, not every member who posts in this thread has to agree and indeed can take a counter position if they wish.

    No personal abuse is OK though, so please be careful what you say.

    It will probably help if neither side of the discussion takes this thread too seriously.

    No one has to agree with you no matter what the facts.
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    Post  Mindstorm Mon Sep 20, 2021 4:18 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Big_Gazza wrote:He called the damned Muricanz out on their incessent BS...

    Called them out?

    That moron spent his entire tenure on Roskosmos whining about how Russia will cut ties with NASA and now here he is on CNN on his knees and mouth open claiming he didn't threaten anything and gobbling big juicy alpha-dog cock on record and in the name of his country

    There is no "masterplan" behind his bullshit, there isn't even most basic plan or neural activity whatsoever, there's just him being a retard




    This debate about Д.Рого́зин...another one..... including the absurd one about the restructuring of the program for the creation of the super-heavy vector rocket has gained surreal charecteristics.

    I have a precise idea of the reasons for which the ,by very far, most competent and efficient director of any space agency today in charge around the world is so often object of low level critics in public available media (professionals of the sector, in the know, both in the Federation and aboard maintain on its capabilities, its work, its results and even more its development programs a completely opposite opinion) but will retain them for me.


    1) Д. Рого́зин has not promised to return to collaborate with NASA on ISS, the decision to proceed for an independent station has been already taken ,it has to do with testing and applications of now in development technical solutions that, as its habit, mister Рого́зин follow personally and that cannot be obviously shared in a multi-national joint project for reasons of national security.

    Д. Рого́зин has merely clarified that this will not happen now ,but will instead happen together with the natural degradation of ISS's integrity ,therefore not today but neither the 2030 date scheduled by NASA.

    2) The decision about the restructuring of the program for the super-heavy follow the same deep reasons: use start-up funding to instead finance and complete the research and development of perspective technologies capable to put foreign products well behind (10-12 years at least) domestic ones.

    What happened with the different development programs for the creation of perspective offensive and defensive strategic weaponry, the results of a part of which has so deeply shaken western military industrial complex and analysts, is for a good part the result of the personal work of Д. Рого́зин, the man in particular show wizardly good capabilitites in coordinate and organize ,in an unified way, joint work for colossal projects involving an enormous amount of scientifical and production Institutes and Bureaux -also historically enemies- avoiding overlapping of works and expertises and scientifical bottlle-necks.
    It has repeatedly proved that over and over.

    If the necessary amount of investement will be provided to the super-heavy vector program i have not even a single doubt that the huge technological gap created over western developments in hypersonic propulsion, high energy coherent beams and compact nuclear reactors will appear in comparison a little drop....



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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Oct 27, 2021 10:46 am


    Russia Admits Defeat, Says It’ll Launch Cosmonauts on SpaceX Spacecraft

    https://futurism.com/russia-launch-cosmonauts-spacex-spacecraft

    To think that all he had to do was to keep his big fat mouth shut but nope...


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    Post  kvs Wed Oct 27, 2021 1:58 pm

    Find a real source.

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    Post  Mir Wed Oct 27, 2021 8:08 pm

    I would not go anywhere near that tin can - let alone take a trip INSIDE it! Laughing

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    Post  GarryB Thu Oct 28, 2021 7:19 am

    Considering the language used... using American rockets to access the ISS means admitting defeat suggests this is a war... a war between countries supposed to be exploring space together.

    That article alone is the best reason why Russia needs to create its own space station and cut America and the west out of their lives as quick as it can.

    They are toxic.

    Who encourages cooperation with such terms?

    They want cooperation to use Russian space related technology and clearly as an opportunity for sabotage... the word is French but perfected by the entire west.

    I suspect such comments are inevitable.... bravado is all they really have with these largely untested raw technologies... making it a war means collateral damage is more acceptable and tolerable in a race to keep doing what the Soviets and Russians and indeed Americans have been doing for decades but the Americans have to reinvent it for themselves because they banked on Space shuttles to be cheap and they were wrong.... not even nearly affordable let alone safe yet... technology needs to catch up.

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    Post  miketheterrible Thu Oct 28, 2021 7:35 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Russia Admits Defeat, Says It’ll Launch Cosmonauts on SpaceX Spacecraft

    https://futurism.com/russia-launch-cosmonauts-spacex-spacecraft

    To think that all he had to do was to keep his big fat mouth shut but nope...



    So you resort to being Vann now?

    https://tass.com/science/1354363

    It appears to be some kind of negotiations that US wants Russian astronauts to use US craft and US to use Russian craft to get to ISS.

    Should add this
    https://tass.com/science/1354847

    Seems a lot of interest on commercial flights to space onboard Soyuz spacecraft growing due to recent filming.

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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Oct 28, 2021 8:06 am

    miketheterrible wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    Russia Admits Defeat, Says It’ll Launch Cosmonauts on SpaceX Spacecraft

    https://futurism.com/russia-launch-cosmonauts-spacex-spacecraft

    To think that all he had to do was to keep his big fat mouth shut but nope...



    So you resort to being Vann now?

    https://tass.com/science/1354363

    It appears to be some kind of negotiations that US wants Russian astronauts to use US craft and US to use Russian craft to get to ISS.

    Should add this
    https://tass.com/science/1354847

    Seems a lot of interest on commercial flights to space onboard Soyuz spacecraft growing due to recent filming.

    That's too bad because:

    Space tourists should be kept away from astronauts, says Russian chief

    https://www.thenationalnews.com/uae/uae-in-space/2021/10/25/space-tourists-should-be-kept-away-from-astronauts-says-russian-chief/


    Flip, flop, flip, flop, flip, flop...

    Surprisingly enough I agree with master moron in this case, tourists have no place on Roskosmos spacecraft and never did

    Roskosmos should stop trying to recreate the good old days of the 90s and focus on doing their fucking job for a change




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    Post  miketheterrible Thu Oct 28, 2021 8:23 am

    Your article is old. And second, it isn't through Roscosmos. Read the article. It's a third party looking to buy into Soyuz launches. Maybe Roscosmos may act as a bridge for that. But it is once again a third party looking to get into space tourism.

    Nothing wrong in that either.

    In fairness to the Americans, I don't blame them that they want joint launches. Now they have ability to send astronauts into space, they want Russians to use theirs while they use Russians. Only fair.
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    Post  Scorpius Thu Oct 28, 2021 11:37 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Russia Admits Defeat, Says It’ll Launch Cosmonauts on SpaceX Spacecraft

    https://futurism.com/russia-launch-cosmonauts-spacex-spacecraft

    To think that all he had to do was to keep his big fat mouth shut but nope...



    Someone should stop making up shitty headlines. "Russia admits defeat" - what kind of defeat and what is it about? Has Russia ever stated that Crew Dragon will never be certified for manned flights?
    Conversations about the possibility of flights of Russian cosmonauts on Crew Dragon and Starline have been going on almost since the announcement of these projects. This is a common practice, implying a desire to ensure the safety of space flights: the team of different countries must have at least one crew member who is trained to control the spacecraft of another country.

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    Post  Scorpius Thu Oct 28, 2021 11:43 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    That's too bad because:

    Space tourists should be kept away from astronauts, says Russian chief

    https://www.thenationalnews.com/uae/uae-in-space/2021/10/25/space-tourists-should-be-kept-away-from-astronauts-says-russian-chief/


    Flip, flop, flip, flop, flip, flop...

    Surprisingly enough I agree with master moron in this case, tourists have no place on Roskosmos spacecraft and never did

    Roskosmos should stop trying to recreate the good old days of the 90s and focus on doing their fucking job for a change



    Context substitution in the source again. Literally in the same article it is said that they want to make a separate module for tourists for the future Russian orbital station.
    So the essence of Rogozin's position is: "Yes, we will continue to develop space tourism, but we want to make sure that it does not interfere with our main work".

    How much do you think the space station module costs? They definitely wouldn't think about creating it if they didn't hope that it would pay off.

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    Post  GarryB Thu Oct 28, 2021 1:05 pm

    The problem is hype... some of the recent trips into space have just been 20 minute flights out of the atmosphere... all the potential danger and cost but not so much experience of being in orbit...

    I suspect some of the rich people buying tickets feel ripped off spending all that money with all that prep for a few minutes... it will have given them a taste but for something more substantial.

    Of course the US wants Russia to use its rockets so they can use Russian rockets too and not have to pay Russia... a bit like you drive this time and I will drive next time, because that means Russia will subsidise the enormous cost of US rockets into space while the US saves money... by bludging off the Russians as usual with their cheap rockets.

    The sooner Russia can cut the US out of their space programme the better for Russia.

    With their own space station they can invite countries to visit and get the world into space...

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    Post  Big_Gazza Fri Oct 29, 2021 12:48 am

    GarryB wrote:The problem is hype... some of the recent trips into space have just been 20 minute flights out of the atmosphere... all the potential danger and cost but not so much experience of being in orbit...

    I suspect some of the rich people buying tickets feel ripped off spending all that money with all that prep for a few minutes... it will have given them a taste but for something more substantial.

    Of course the US wants Russia to use its rockets so they can use Russian rockets too and not have to pay Russia... a bit like you drive this time and I will drive next time, because that means Russia will subsidise the enormous cost of US rockets into space while the US saves money... by bludging off the Russians as usual with their cheap rockets.

    The sooner Russia can cut the US out of their space programme the better for Russia.

    With their own space station they can invite countries to visit and get the world into space...

    Russia needs to say "Thank you, but no, we prefer a strictly commercial relationship". Seppo morons don't get to sanction legitimate Russian enterprises for BS fraudulent reasons, and then ask Russia to be co-operative with their agendas. F*ck them.

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    Post  JohninMK Mon Dec 20, 2021 7:40 pm

    Someone is not very happy.


    A long and strikingly critical article that reviews the state of the Russian space program was published in the state-aligned newspaper MK this week.

    None of the findings in the 2,800-word article were particularly surprising. Western observers who track the Russian space industry realize the program is deeply troubled, and to a great extent running on the fumes of its past and very real glory. What is notable, however, is that a major Russian media outlet has published such a revelatory article for a domestic audience.

    Increasingly, Russia's space program seeks to project its greatness in space through symbolic acts rather than technological achievements—such as the launch of a Russian movie star, sending a robot nicknamed Fedor to space, or making (entirely) hollow promises about a Moon landing in 2030. But now it has been called out on these acts in a publication closely aligned with the Russian government.

    The Moscow-based daily newspaper MK, formerly known as Moscovsky Komsomolets, was, during the Soviet era, the propaganda organ of the Komsomol, or Young Communists League. This article was written by Dmitry Popov, who has worked at the publication since 1992. During his career Popov earned numerous official expressions of thanks, recognitions, and awards from the Russian government and recently received a commemorative dagger from Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu.
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    Because the article was published in a state-sanctioned newspaper, Popov is exempt from the country's recently declared rules about independent media reporting on much of Russia's space activities.

    Notably Popov's analysis is highly critical of Dmitry Rogozin, who leads the Roscosmos space corporation, which manages much of the country's spaceflight activities. So why is a state-sanctioned journalist criticizing the state's space leader in a state-aligned publication? That's a big question.
    Rotting from within

    The article, translated for Ars by Rob Mitchell, is titled "The Space Program Is Rotting from Within." It begins with the declaration that Russia's space program has a shortage of competent and highly qualified staff, obsolete facilities and technology, and "systemic leadership weakness." And that's just the opening paragraph.

    Popov goes on to state that Russian space companies are delinquent on promised deliveries for hundreds of contracts. For example, the Khrunichev Center agreed to deliver 10 booster cores for the Angara A5 rocket five years ago. The first five cores were delivered only in March of this year, and the other five are not yet completed. From the article:

    Why? Because Roscosmos is exercising, shall we say, not-so-strict control over execution of defense contracts by its daughter companies. In March 2020, Dmitriy Olegovich Rogozin approved the relevant procedural regulations to exercise control over execution of Defense Ministry contracts by subordinate organizations of the State Corporation. However an audit showed that his subordinates are in no hurry to comply with procedures. ... Where appropriate controls are insufficient, fraud and abuse are inevitable. As regards relations with the leaders of daughter companies (of Roscosmos), since 2019 over 60 criminal investigations have been initiated on the companies and their contracts, with total losses assessed at more than 5 Billion rubles ($67.7 million).

    Popov said Roscosmos is struggling even to build its mainstay vehicles, the Soyuz rockets and Progress spacecraft. Consider a recent docking issue with the Progress vehicle, which carries supplies to the Russian segment of the International Space Station.

    We launched the Progress MS-16 cargo spacecraft in mid-February of this year. However it was unable to dock automatically, and had to be docked under manual control due to damage to the Kurs-NA system (radar measuring system). It was damaged because the fairing delaminated during launch. It turned out that the epoxy used in its manufacture was not checked to see if it was within specifications. The contractor for the glue, CHEMEX Limited joint stock company, lacks the technological means to produce its own product, meaning they purchased the product from another vendor, and for the samples already used, documentation affirming its conforming with specifications and its origin were never submitted. That is, when and where the epoxy was purchased is unknown. Fine, as long as it wasn’t purchased at the local Sadovod DIY store (Russia’s Home Depot). But a further 15 payload fairings were built using the same "technology." Their acceptance has been halted. And then the most interesting part—similar damage to the KURS-NA system has been noted previously, on the launches of Progress ships MS-13 (Dec. 6, 2019), MS-14 (April 25, 2020), and MS-15 (Jun 23, 2020). But they flew, didn’t they? Why raise a panic now? It went before, it’ll do.

    Popov further expressed concern about reliance on Germany to help fuel the Soyuz rocket and the Soyuz spacecraft that launches humans. The issue is that vernier thrusters on the Soyuz boosters and in the de-orbit engines of the Soyuz-MS spacecraft use a special grade of highly refined hydrogen peroxide. Production of this hydrogen peroxide in Russia, however, depends on deliveries of chemicals produced by a German company called Evonik Resource Efficiency GmbH. These deliveries are subject to limitation by international sanctions against the Russian Federation.

    "That is, the West can stop Russian space launches with a single keystroke," Popov wrote.

    The article also discusses the Vostochny Cosmodrome, a spaceport in eastern Russia that has been a priority for President Vladimir Putin. However this project, under Rogozin's stewardship, has been beset by construction delays and corruption, such as embezzlement.

    Of the nearly 1,200 structures planned for construction at the spaceport, only about 200 have been completed, Popov wrote. Construction has yet to begin on more than 40 percent of them. Already, the planned launch of Angara A5 rockets from Vostochny has been delayed from 2021 to 2023, as criminal investigations continue.
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    Moon 2030?

    Popov then turns to Russia's so-called Moon program, which requires development of the Oryol, or "Eagle," spacecraft to fly cosmonauts into deep space. This vehicle was intended to both replace the Soyuz for transporting cosmonauts to the International Space Station and to form part of the lunar program.

    In 2009 Roscosmos ordered work to create a next-generation crewed spacecraft for flights to low-Earth orbit and to deep space, including to the Moon.

    Meanwhile, building the crewed Oryol spacecraft is at the stage… of making mockups and test articles, conducting experimental tests on half-scale models. Just for comparison, Elon Musk’s reusable Crew Dragon which is already flying here and there in space, was also conceived in 2009.

    Russia’s crewed Moon program, which will use the Oryol, for practical purposes is not yet developed. The ground-based infrastructure for conducting space launches from Vostochny is not complete, the mechanisms to complete it and the funds to finance its completion are not determined, which taken together puts the entire future development of crewed space exploration at risk.

    But aside from that, everything is going swell with Russia's Moon program.

    Popov also criticizes Rogozin for over-promising on Russian launch efficiency and under-delivering. For example, Roscosmos said there would be 44 space launches in 2019, and 25 were conducted. In 2020, 40 launches were planned and just 17 conducted. This year, Russia has conducted fewer than half of its planned 47 launches. Roscosmos, therefore, has decided to no longer publish its planned number of launches.

    The overall portrait Popov paints of Roscosmos is that of a wasteful, increasingly decrepit enterprise where almost no money is being invested into the present or future. Instead, the focus seems to be providing high-paying jobs for a handful of technocrats, whose salaries are worth hundreds of thousands of dollars a year. Meanwhile, the average monthly wages for technical specialists who build the country's rockets and spacecraft range from $500 to $1,000 a month.

    "As a result, hundreds of billions, if not trillions, of rubles fly away not into space, but fecklessly and pointlessly disappear down the drain," Popov writes. "All these beautiful PR presentations of art-decorated rockets and wild promises are still little more than cover for the rapid collapse of Russia’s space industry. If nothing changes, if there is no political will to introduce strict order using maximally radical methods, space will remain Russian only in our memories."


    https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/12/a-state-aligned-russian-newspaper-reviews-the-space-program-and-its-scathing/

    https://www.mk.ru/social/2021/12/13/kosmos-gniyushhiy-iznutri-rossiya-skhodit-s-orbity.html

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    Post  miketheterrible Mon Dec 20, 2021 9:30 pm

    Why post it then? It isn't like arstechnica will post any of the successes. They are another western rag for tech and hates Russian development (ever see them post Russian successes And? I havent). And because some guy with no knowledge and experience doesn't like Rogozin and or events happening, doesn't make him right either.

    Anyway, what's to talk about?

    as far as anyone is concerned, this is more bullocks than anything.  But that's up to mods.

    I mean, I'm not part of the industry and even I know that russias satellite program is still improving and most of the nuclear missiles are under Roscosmos enterprises too, that's including R&D.

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    Post  JohninMK Mon Dec 20, 2021 10:40 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:Why post it then? It isn't like arstechnica will post any of the successes. They are another western rag for tech and hates Russian development (ever see them post Russian successes And? I havent). And because some guy with no knowledge and experience doesn't like Rogozin and or events happening, doesn't make him right either.

    I have no idea who the author is or the publication it was in.

    I posted it because it is out there and I thought that it would get some decent analysis on here that might be usable elsewhere.
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    Post  miketheterrible Mon Dec 20, 2021 11:16 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:Why post it then? It isn't like arstechnica will post any of the successes. They are another western rag for tech and hates Russian development (ever see them post Russian successes And? I havent). And because some guy with no knowledge and experience doesn't like Rogozin and or events happening, doesn't make him right either.

    I have no idea who the author is or the publication it was in.

    I posted it because it is out there and I thought that it would get some decent analysis on here that might be usable elsewhere.

    Nah, not trashing you or anything. I agree, lack of place to put it.

    Criticism is always necessary and of course, many projects for roscosmos is still in early stages and delayed. But the author clearly ignored importance of what is happening in Roscosmos overall, and I pointed it out before.

    - development of Sarmat and other nuclear missile tech. Including hypersonic.
    - development of a new semiconductor industry in Russia. Roscosmos is one of the leading companies who has had to develop in house tech rather quickly due to import substitution. Of course rostec had a large hand in that.
    - new infrastructure being built - yes vostochney had its issues but thay was due to private contractor as KVS pointed out.
    - new satellite being built
    - advancements in rocket tech especially in engines.

    The statement that never made sense was "living off soviet equipment". Those rockets, angara, proton, Soyuz, etc are not made in USSR and being used now. They were designed but what is launched now is made now, not then. So what exactly is the issue here regarding it. Roscosmos budget has been slashed so many times that they are forced to work with a smaller budget, so building rockets that have worked for so long in design, is apparently a bad thing.

    Yeah, specialists could should make more money, but I'm actually curious who is making what. We always hear about how this or that makes small money but I doubt that, we have learned this wasn't wasn't case for aerospace industry in Russia for years now. I doubt it's same in roscosmos, especially now they are rebuilding the enterprises in a new park and consolidating industries within roscosmos. Guarantee they are adding in non essential workers into the mix and making claims.

    You see, anyone can make up anything they want to say, to shit on an industry. Just because some newspaper with a jerk is government owned, doesn't mean it's true. Hell, the west uses it as an excuse for saying it's all lies, until they make a scathing opinion piece on something inside then all of a sudden it's worth reporting on. Give me a break.

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    Post  kvs Mon Dec 20, 2021 11:50 pm

    The riding the Soviet legacy trope is designed for retards. All of the Soyuz rockets in service are revised designs after 1990. This includes
    both the electrical system (computerized) and the manufacturing of the fuel tanks. We have here the implicit demand that Russia must
    "de-communize" by throwing everything out and then "proving itself" by building all new designs. How is that working for Ukria and the
    other great de-communizers? All western criticism of Russia pivots on bloody hypocrisy.

    Soviet technology was not the product of magical communists. It was the product of people who had solid science and engineering
    skills. Why should their legacy be flushed down the toilet. Good thing is that Russians are sick of listening to this shit from their
    open enemies. Don't give us any advice you malicious f*cks.


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    Post  Big_Gazza Tue Dec 21, 2021 12:42 am

    Arstechnica? Never read a single article in that shit rag that ever said anything positive about Russia or its space program.  It's hardly surprising that they enthusiastically leap upon a Russian-media article that supports their barely-hidden anti-Russia agenda.

    As for the original article, Dmitry Popov can  censored  himself.  Roskosmos budget is USD2.77B equivalent, while ESA has USD7.3B and their program is much less ambitious or far-reaching.

    FFS...  Russia is building an entire new Cosmodrome in the Far East, developing new rockets, developing new Lunar/Deep Space manned crew vehicle, developing nuclear-electric drive for interplanetary misisons, planning a new manned station while surrently running a manned program at ISS.  Delays are inevitable, but does that justify fuckers like this Popov sounding off and shit-canning the program cuz Roskosmos doesn't indulge in fake Muskian PR antics or stick tourists in a drum and send them on a suborbital parabola like Bezos does?

    Delaminating fairings due to off-spec adhesives...  Supply issues of hydrogen peroxide...  Cleaning up the (past) corruption at Vostochny (while totally ignoring the good progress and solid financial control of the Angara pad, but instead whining about "delays")...  Supply issues for steel tape used in tanks...  The 2013 loss of 2x Glonass-M (caused by deliberate sabotage)...  No fuel storage facilities at Vostochny (wut?)...  This little pricks article reads like a manifesto of contrived woes, cherry-pcked negatives crudely stitched together in service of a pre-determined narrative.  No doubt this comprador fucker thinks that spiteful Western sanctions that are delaying scientific misisons and new satellites like Glonass-K are the fault of Roskosmos as well?

    Space, rotting from the inside?  Yep, but its the space inside Popovs head that is rotting...

    This is Russias main problem - the mindset of some of its people. I'll never understand why some people choose to carry water for foreigners (*) and stick a knife into their own nations back.  It's times like this that I kinda give Stalin a pass for stuffing problem people into gulags....

    (*) Edit: Maybe this political attack is driven by Rusisan domestic factors - some rich Oligarch or otherwise connected individual somewhere is losing out on money as Roskosmos tightens its purse strings and eliminates past corrupt practises, so the comprador pressitutes are unleased in retribution?

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    Post  GarryB Tue Dec 21, 2021 4:01 am

    some rich Oligarch or otherwise connected individual somewhere is losing out on money as Roskosmos tightens its purse strings and eliminates past corrupt practises, so the comprador pressitutes are unleased in retribution?

    Or they want a contract to replace something happening now and Rogozin is cockblocking them so Rogozin needs to go...

    In terms of value for money I would think the Russians are hard to beat at anything...

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    Post  PapaDragon Tue Dec 21, 2021 4:31 am

    miketheterrible wrote:Why post it then? It isn't like arstechnica will post any of the successes....

    Did they make any false claims? Because everything they listed is accurate and easily verifiable

    Just because you don't like the source (or reality being reported on) doesn't change the fact that content is accurate (plus he provided Russian source not ​that it matters unless content fits the personality cult of clown in charge, does it?)

    Entire thing is a shitshow and the guy in charge is more busy being Twitter diva than doing his job

    And you were trashing JohninMK for posting it until you were called out on it and started weaseling out

    As for Roskosmos successes maybe they would post about them if there was anything to post? We won't know unless it happens

    What was their latest success? Not crashing the ISS on second go and dropping off some Japanese billionaire for pittance? Hardly something worth reporting on

    Until something changes you should find different method of coping instead of shitting on person who was just posting relevant article (and the choice of person you decided to shit on is really a doozy, John of all people FFS...)




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    Post  Big_Gazza Tue Dec 21, 2021 4:50 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:Why post it then? It isn't like arstechnica will post any of the successes....

    Did they make any false claims? Because everything they listed is accurate and easily verifiable


    It was stuffed to the gunnels with nit-picking trivia like supply chain issues or a dual Glonass fail from 8 years ago. Maybe the US space program is on its last legs cuz James Webb scope is late, or cuz they still use RD-180 engines in the Atlas EELV, or cuz Starliner/Orion haven't flown yet, or cuz SLS is till years away from a 1st flight...

    You like that shit article it cuz it smears Rogo, the object of your all-consuming man-crush that you work so hard to conceal love

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