Politics and Government of Russia

Now the governement better rebuild it fast....democracy doesn't really work in Russia, socially you always preffered strong types of governments (ofcourse not complete dictatorship). So Gorby and Yelstin's politic was shitty, it destroyed it all. Now Medvedev better work it out, economically Russia is not in a great situation at the moment, especially with the crisis
"In russia we dont have the choice between dictatorship and freedom, but between dictatorship and chaos"-Professor Nikolai Borisov, Moscow State University

milky_candy_sugar wrote:Now the governement better rebuild it fast....democracy doesn't really work in Russia, socially you always preffered strong types of governments (ofcourse not complete dictatorship). So Gorby and Yelstin's politic was shitty, it destroyed it all. Now Medvedev better work it out, economically Russia is not in a great situation at the moment, especially with the crisis
"In russia we dont have the choice between dictatorship and freedom, but between dictatorship and chaos"-Professor Nikolai Borisov, Moscow State University

Russian democracy is at work, we want strong leaders who bring us prosperity and power. We have unhindered internet access so whoever wants to speak has their voices heard. If the government does not perform, people hit the streets as the million man march got Yeltsin to resign. Leaders know if the people don't support them, they won't last.

But once they are, the way they applicate the government is quite strong compared to other countries.....
Pah "democracy is when 51% of the people impose it's reign over the resting 49%"....

As an average citizen, I don't see it. I am free to say what I want, go online and post what I want, I can get a permit and protest where I want, I can go on strike anytime. It is the people that don't follow the rules of the system that recieve a heavy hand. Instead of fighting it, you work inside it to get change.

"The rules of the system"- that's somehow the point
But yeeesh i don't really like actual russian government....even if they can sound cool sometimes but they got a loooong way to go before becoming THE superpower

What would you like to see happen in Russia?

Personally? First of all, resolving all the main problems such as intern administration, diversification/modernisation of consumer's industry (third sector), demography etc
after....i'll see

Well, I can't say much about the rest of it, but demography is picking up. We had our first population growth in the last 15 years.

*i'd like to somehow contribute to the demography xoxo *
yeah i heard of it, but how many per cents?

Goood...drink less and make babies....

milky_candy_sugar wrote:*i'd like to somehow contribute to the demography xoxo *

Oh... you're killing me. yxaxa  

yeah i heard of it, but how many per cents?

Goood...drink less and make babies....

Yay finally, they adopted the conveniant natalist politic
Still more efforts are needed...i hope in the next 20 years russia would reach 150-160 million

Oh... you're killing me. yxaxa

Russia is going down the tank. Don't you listen to your president?

Yeah but it's the most probable future superpower. China might reign for 10 years but....it has toooooo much internal problems, so according to me it would blow up
India also, especially religious matters....
America actually is in a BAD situation...so yeah, Russia, but i think that they should make some intern changes and restructure their administration a bit
And make kids (i can help!!! )

Main points of Medvedev's state of the nation address

RIA Novosti

12/11/200919:21

MOSCOW, November 12 (RIA Novosti) - Russian President Dmitry Medvedev delivered his second state of the nation address to both houses of parliament in the Grand Kremlin Palace on Thursday.

His speech to the Russian parliament was broadcast on state television and became the longest-ever presidential address, lasting 1 hour and 40 minutes.

Members of the government and State Council, heads of the Supreme, Constitutional and Higher Arbitration Courts, chairmen of the Audit Chamber and Central Election Commission, and religious leaders attended.

In line with the Russian Constitution, the president annually addresses the Federal Assembly, comprising the Federation Council and State Duma, to about the domestic situation and the key areas of Russia's foreign policy.

The Russian president said in his address:

- Economic modernization is a matter of vital importance for Russia and can no longer be delayed

- Russian state corporations have no future and should be reorganized and later privatized

- Russia's Armed Forces are to receive 30 new ground and sea-launched ballistic missiles, three nuclear submarines, and an assortment of other weapons

- Corrupt government officials must be jailed

- Modernization of Russia in the 21st century will be based on the values and institutions of democracy

- Russian foreign policy should be pragmatic and aimed at the country's modernization

- Russia must set up a research and technological development center similar to Silicon Valley in the United States

- Russia will develop new generation nuclear reactors and fuel by 2014

- The government should create an effective system of state orders for defense production, ensuring balanced deliveries of modern arms and armaments for domestic needs and abroad

- The government's share in commercial companies, including strategic businesses, should be reviewed

- State-run corporations and large companies should be subject to an independent audit

- Political parties may be freed in the future from collecting signatures, which is currently a requirement for them to take part in parliamentary elections

- A Russian constellation of communication satellites should be put into operation by 2015

- The number of time zones in the country, currently 11, should be reduced

- The government should prepare a new approval scheme for investment projects, with the term of consideration cut from one and a half or two years to three or four months

- The level of corruption in the North Caucasus is "unprecedented"

- The government will soon return to the issue of lowering taxes, which was delayed by the economic crisis

- Programs to enhance energy efficiency will be primarily introduced in the public sector

- More than 1 million Russians are in danger of losing their jobs

- All WWII veterans will be provided with housing regardless of when they apply for it

- Grants on health and sports support programs will be exempt from profit tax

- Moneylending and housing require new support measures

- The government will draft measures to enhance the quality of public services

- Broadband Internet connection should be provided nationwide in five years

- Modern satellite navigation and cartography systems should become operational in Russia by 2012

- Employment in Russia should be made attractive for Russian scientists favorable conditions for attracting foreign specialists to the country should be created

- Russia will develop 50 medicines for cardiovascular and oncological treatment

- The government's share in commercial companies, including strategic businesses, should be reviewed

- The equality of state and private schools will be fixed in legislation

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/russia/2009/russia-091112-rianovosti01.htm

Nice projects, hope that they will manage to do it

Ok so here are two separate News articles. First one is coming from Reuters, apparently Putin is in disagreement with the current military actions being undertaken by western powers against Libya.

West in "medieval crusade" on Gaddafi, Putin says

TRIPOLI (Reuters) – Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin said on Monday a U.N. resolution authorizing military action in Libya resembled "mediaeval calls for crusades" after Western forces launched a second wave of air strikes.

As diplomatic tempers over the campaign flared, officials in Tripoli said a missile intended to kill Muammar Gaddafi had destroyed a building in his fortified compound, which was heavily bombed in 1986 by the Reagan administration.

"It was a barbaric bombing," said government spokesman Mussa Ibrahim, showing pieces of shrapnel that he said came from the missile. "This contradicts American and Western (statements) ... that it is not their target to attack this place."

There was no comment on the strike from attacking forces.

In an appearance on Libyan television on Sunday, Gaddafi promised his enemies a "long war" after the U.N.-authorized intervention in the uprising against his 41-year rule of this oil producing north African desert state.

"The resolution is defective and flawed," said Russia's Putin, whose country did not use its power to veto the resolution at the United Nations. "It allows everything. It resembles mediaeval calls for crusades," Putin added.

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But on a separate News article from RIA Novosti, it seems like Medvedev isn't following Putin's side.

Medvedev rebuts Putin over Libya

In a rare faceoff with Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin, President Dmitry Medvedev said on Monday he stood by Moscow's decision not to veto the UN Security Council resolution on Libya.

"Russia did not exercise [the veto power] for one reason: I do not consider this resolution to be wrong. Moreover, I believe that this resolution generally reflects our understanding of what is going on in Libya," Medvedev said.

Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin earlier on Monday likened the UN Security Council resolution on Libya to a medieval crusade call.

In response to Putin's comments, Medvedev said the comparison was "inadmissible."

"It is absolutely inexcusable to use expressions that in effect lead to a clash of civilizations - such as 'crusades,' and so on - that is unacceptable," Medvedev said.

Otherwise "everything could end up in far worse shape than it is now," he warned.

"It is important to remember this."

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So.. anyone's got any ideas what the hells going on? I mean this is the first time Medvedev had criticized one of Putin's remarks, could it be just a political show? or could it be that a rift is truly forming in the Russian leadership? which is if true, could have a very negative impact on Russia in the next following years.

It appears that Putin is sane while Mendvev is insane...Simple Conclusion

Different positions lead to different perspectives.

On paper the UN resolution is about saving innocent lives and of course makes a lot of sense.

Medvedev is also thinking in terms of the fact that the US will not suddenly stop the regime change it is bent on just because Russia speaks out against it, and from a strategic perspective good relations with the west are of more benefit right now than sticking up for a dictator.

From Putins perspective... he is not in Medvedevs role and can say what the rest of the world is thinking, that the UN has given permission to do one thing for one specific reason and the US has gone in there with its own agenda and has probably killed more unarmed civilians than it has saved.

Claims that attacking Gadaffis army as it approached Benghazi saved innocent civilians is b0llocks the army wouldn't be needed if they were unarmed civilians. From the TV footage they seem to be very well equipped with regard to small arms and even light vehicles. I have seen the odd artillery piece and BM-21 Grad truck around the place.

Funny thing is how is Fox News going to claim that Medvedev is Putins puppet and that it is all part of the master KGB chess players plan to retain power forever by having Medvedev as his chess piece.

This isn't the first time Medvedev had criticized one of Putin potions, but is the biggest issue I think he has criticized him on. Russian elections are coming up, so Medvedev is just stetting the stage for his possibility to run. Medvedev has always been more liberal than Putin, so I think theres always been a small rift in their relationships. Its in both of their interest to keep Russia political stable so I don't think either of them will allow their differences to let their disagreements start to pull the Kremlin in two.

They both belong to the same political party so it will likely go to a party vote as to which will run in the election for the party.

The worst case scenario of them both running and splitting the vote and some dickhead like Zhirinovsky gets in is very unlikely because the two of them would get 90 percent of the vote with 10% for all the rest together.

I think Putin mentioned that he was saying this in his personal capacity and it was his personal opinion and that he was not speaking as PM of Russia or in official capacity.

I think Medvedev should be allowed to run for another 6 year term as President while Putin should remain as PM , the President in Russia looks after external affairs and PM the internal affairs of country.

Russia today needs to strengthen internally and needs Putin there , he has mentioned many times that he was bored managing external affairs and international relations and was keen to look and develop russia.

Its also high time that Russia develops into more vibrant democracy and people have many choices and different parties to choose from then just Putin and Medvedev

Its also high time that Russia develops into more vibrant democracy and
people have many choices and different parties to choose from then just
Putin and Medvedev

The real problem... if it is a problem at all... is that the alternatives are idiots, or western stooges... or both.
Kasparov is an example of the calibre of the opposition... a darling of the west but when he gets arrested for holding an illegal march he shouts in English... it is clear who he is appealing to... his western paymasters... he is earning the money he gets from them by trying to make Russia look like a police state.

To be honest if the choice here was as clear cut as it is there I would be a much happier person. Here we have two main political parties and a handful of tiny wannabe parties that join in coalitions with one of the big parties depending on how many votes everyone gets. One of the major parties (National and Labour) will most likely make concessions in their policy to get the support of smaller parties that actually get seat in parliament to cement a majority and become the government. Problem is that National and Labour are not really that much different and both tell lies to get into power and to stay in power. The last election Labour was voted out... not because they did anything wrong, but because most people felt like a change because Labour had been elected for the last 12 years or so and seemed to be getting too comfortable.

Might as well just have one party to vote for... all the difference it would make.

The problem with one or two person is these people yeald too much power and there is always a problem of who will succeed them.

I am sure a great country deserves a vibrant democracy and can always look beyond Putin and his hand picked successor.

Once democracy takes shape that would bring in some good people who can take charge of leadership and enjoys people confidence.

In my country too there is problem of too many parties blackmailing the government or extracting its pound of flesh for support , but then I would still prefer democracy then single ruler single party scenerio , infact before 90's we had almost the same single party democracy led by Congress , mother of all corruption.

Any ways coming back to topic , I feel Medvedev should get a chance of atleast 6 more years to complete his agenda of economic reforms , he has admittedly done a good job and is a very pragmatic person which his own vision and expects accountability and is a doer.

I just hope Putin does not push him out to get 2 full year term as president and let Medvedev continue one more term after end of current one , while Putin remains a PM and keeps an overall check on things like he is doing it now.

Here is what Medvedev plans to implement in his economic vision for this decade.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medvedev_modernisation_programme

In my country too there is problem of too many parties blackmailing the
government or extracting its pound of flesh for support , but then I
would still prefer democracy then single ruler single party scenerio ,
infact before 90's we had almost the same single party democracy led by
Congress , mother of all corruption.

But that is the point isn't it? There are other parties to vote for, the fact that the vast majority of Russians vote for one particular party is their choice. They could vote for communism or nationalism or a foreign stooge that just wants to get his face on western tv to justify the money he is getting from western sources and has no real expectations of getting any power at all.
They have a choice and can vote any way they please... isn't that democracy?
To suggest any other country in the world is more democratic because they have two political parties that are pretty much the same... the same promises with different solutions to the problem that never seem to work anyway.

The two party political system is wasteful and usually ends up doubling the government by having a governing party and an opposition party, with the governing party always making excuses and the opposition party always whining about how this isn't working or going on and on about this MP who should be sacked because they got caught drunk driving or doing drugs or whatever.

Companies don't vote every three to seven years on who gets to be in management or in control of the company. Is communism in business OK but in politics and religion it is worth killing for?

Personally I think Putin should leave it one term... Medvedev has shown he can do that job, but can only do it for two terms in a row just like Putin. Let each have two terms.

To be honest the regular change in leader is generally bad for most countries as it leads to regular changes in focus and direction for no practical benefit.

Kudrin dismissed from government’s military and integration commissions

Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin dismissed former Deputy Prime Minister and Finance Minister Aleksei Kudrin from his posts in the government’s military-industrial and economic development and integration commissions on Monday.

Kudrin, who headed Russia’s Finance Ministry since 2000, resigned on September 26 after a public conflict with President Dmitry Medvedev.

Kudrin was also dismissed from the government commission on budget projects, regional development and high technologies and innovations and from working groups on modernization and development of the military-industrial complex.

On September 25, Kudrin said that he would not serve in a new government that could be formed by Dmitry Medvedev after presidential elections in 2012. The Russian president suggested that Kudrin resign within a day if he did not agree with the presidential policy. Kudrin said that before taking a decision, he would consult Putin. Later, it was announced that the president had accepted his resignation.

Last week, the prime minister said that despite “the emotional failure”, Kudrin would work in their team.

Kudrin has kept his positions as chairman of the National Banking Council and the presidential council on financial markets, which tackles the formation of the International Financial Center in Moscow.

http://www.en.ria.ru/news/20111010/167542143.html