You expect someone to give money for programme headed by retarded flat-earther?
Russia is never going to spend an enormous amount on space, they have problems on Earth that need sorting before playing at Star Trek.
That money can be burned for heating, at least that way there would be some use out of it
So you recommend defunding the Russian space programme... but Rogozin is the moron?
Your country appointed certified moron as a head of it's space program, insults are perfectly appropriate
You see when you make shit up then what you say has less value.
Did you certify him yourself? Or do you have evidence a professional has certified him insane?
I am guessing the former... which in internet terms means he annoys you... which has never been a good reason to defund an entire organisation, and makes your insults look silly.
Like calling the head of their space programme a flat earther...
It's for your own good
Serbia has been an occupied country for too long... you are now handing out unsolicited advice like an American politician... can you not understand that such advice is just as unwelcome?
So you are saying that SpaceX success is required for Roskosmos to get their heads out of their asses?
If you are going to be using Musk as the example of what Russia needs to be then the things Musk is doing at least need to actually work and be successful... just as a very basic requirement...
And what if it does go? Then what?
Something that size could be shot down using a Panstir or TOR level SAM and kill all the soldiers on board with one missile... I hope they buy a lot of them... the cost will push them over the edge faster to where they realise they need some serious fundamental changes... social changes... or the next colour revolution might be in the US of A.
People kept saying that Falcon and Dragon aren't going anywhere and they ended up eating their own shit when they did
Dude... they two Amazing enormous leaps forward in human technology and capacity are basically American Soyuz (Dragon) rockets to transport stuff to the ISS... and Falcon... Falcon is hilarious because when the Soviets were making the N1 we were told that the Saturn V design with four rocket nozzles was vastly better than having lots of little rocket nozzles... safer and evidence of superior rocket technology blah blah blah... but Falcon seems to repeat the large clusters of rocket motors like the Soviets used and not like the Germans used for the Saturn V... big deal... get over yourself.
SpaceX is something rather more ambitious and complex and prone to failure...
As Rogozin admitted couple of days ago Russians can't do shit about ISS
They will contnue play their bit part
The ISS is going to expire with the next couple of years... it is almost 2022 and they are talking about leaving in 2025 or so... so no... they wont continue to play their part... by 2026 or so the US will likely withdraw from Kabul in Earth Orbit... hope they give the other members warning and don't leave any up there.
The Russian plans are that when the ISS cooperation ends they will build their own space station... that will be very useful for them to test stuff up there in private, but China might want to join them too... and why not?
When all you can build is car door getting a free back seat is a bargain of a century
When the car door is the only part that actually works... stay clear of that back seat...
Carrying water for Rogozin again?
5 years of begging for seats on Russian rockets to get to and from the ISS... if the situation was reversed you would go more mental that normal that Rogozin needs to be fired... etc etc.
It's not five, it's well over ten years of humiliation for Russia and counting
What are you talking about?
The ten years of Russian humiliation were called the Yeltsin years and they ended in 2000.
ISS made sense at the time but it is getting near the end of its lifespan and everyone needs to move on.
Existing sanctions from the US prove there is no point in cooperating with them on another space station, and it sounds to me like the US military wants a space station of its own to test secret weapons, so it will be good for Russia to have the same of their own.
Nice try Mr. Administrator, not falling for that again
Dude... if I wanted to ban you I could do it easily, and a few people might get upset, but a lot of people might not be upset at all.I don't do traps.
If you lose your temper and say something I will ban you for you could even apologise in private and that would be enough most of the time to prevent more serious action.
Don't piss George off though...
I understand people get angry and say things they wouldn't normally say just to get a rise or a reaction from the other person, and honestly I really don't like perma banning members... but some times I am given no choice because there has to be order.
You can continue your rants about Rogozin... I have learned to filter them out and those that object to your crusade against the guy can put you on their ignore list to solve their problem with you, but that just means when you do say something interesting then a lot of members will miss out.
You could dial back your venom and return to the normal... which is not to say you have to worship him or anything, but perhaps cope with it internally, and maybe return back to earth... you see I am sure the view from that ivory tower was wonderful for you but for the rest of us looking up all you see is bollocks and arse holes.... Tsavo talking about when Putin is gone and the Ukraine joins Russia again, or Van hating on Russia too and thinking Vaccines are made by the devil and are intended as mind control or population control or some such rubbish.
Up to you.
Follow the rules and don't piss George off...
The Soyuz-2.1b carrier rocket was launched from the Baikonur space center in Kazakhstan at 21:07 Moscow time on Tuesday. The launch is to bring the number of British satellites to 322.
So the British company OneWeb is using French and Russian and Kazakhstan launch facilities to launch their satellites... but no American rockets or launch locations... I thought Musk had defeated the Russians and stolen all their business because his launches are so cheap?
Musk is not NASA, besides it is better to have good PR contacting Musk as he shows respect to Russian space programme. Unlike Washington's swamp. Cooperation yes, still I believe mid Run china is better partner.
Totally agree. NASA is bowing to anti Russia bullshit from the Pentagon and Washington and saying nothing at all against it and then when Russia talks about these sanctions and what a pain in the ass they are NASA says everything is great... why is Russia complaining...
Well they are complaining because sanctions are normally an act of war and not something you do to a country you want to cooperate with.
Instead of blowing money on gimmicks, which includes the LNG reusable fluff, the orbital assembly and nuclear
propulsion approach should be pursued. I would say this is more worthwhile than running a space station.
Making rockets reusable to reduce costs is not a gimmick and certainly not fluff. For missions beyond our own moon orbital assembly and nuclear propulsion will be necessary but reusable rockets will be needed to get off the surface of Mars too... they don't need to be recycled as such but they need to be in a condition where they will work when we need them to work.
A space station is invaluable... the US didn't subsidise MIR or ISS(MIR2) for nothing there is research and testing in space that needs to be done, and what sort of orbital construction could take place without a space station?
Once they have a nuclear powered orbital tug that can zip around the place they could remove a lot of the biggest bits of junk... and the tiny bits that make operations in space a bit risky... keeping that nuclear space tug in orbit makes sense so basing it on a space station also makes sense too.
The ISS has shown that little scientific value comes out of it. Refining the same Mir-era tech (which is
what the ISS is) is a waste of time.
It disagree... some sort of station around Earth and around the Moon and even around Mars would be useful stepping stones... oasis's in the desert, where stores can be kept... landing on the surface of Mars might be risky... and landing the entire ship that came from Earth on Mars is totally impractical so putting it in Mars orbit while a lander goes down and perhaps processes local water into hydrogen and oxygen for rocket fuel to launch back up to the orbital component... perhaps bringing extra water for use as fuel to speed up the return home... it makes sense.
Space X is a type of baiting operation. The yanquis decided based on the Buran that Russia will rush to copy
their crap and sink itself.
Who cares... Russia can take ideas from failed US programmes and benefit from them.... the Su-57 and Checkmate are not failures despite clear obvious copies of the F-22 and F-35 where they made a stealth Su-27/35 and then a light single engined cheaper model Checkmate. Enormous potential for Russian clients... and comments by the Russians that they are funding the programme themselves and therefore some third country wont be controlling who sells to whom suggests the Russians will be in full control of the programme.
The methalox reusable project smells of taking the bait. But it does not seem to
be a development priority so maybe it will be cancelled later.
Who knows... years down the track a methalox liquid rocket motor might prove to be the cheapest way to launch scramjet powered hypersonic aircraft to the altitudes and speeds where they operate most efficiently.... and when they get to their normal flight altitude of 40km plus their water vapour contrails burning slush hydrogen will crystallize and reflect the heat of the sun doing more to reverse CO2 emissions and green house gases than wind farms and solar energy combined.
The Yanisei project should be justified by some
minimum load requirement to deliver components into LEO. Otherwise it is also a sink of money.
It could be a moon launcher but could never be a Mars or Venus launcher, but for carrying material up to a space station for assembly of a space craft... a craft that will only ever operate in space to travel enormous distances designed to allow cooling and radiation protection and all the things you need for space exploration then it might be useful for the heavier blocks.
Nuclear reactors would essentially have to be launched with enough shielding and protection that if they fall straight back to earth they would be OK... which means lots of weight to be useful and lots more to be safe, so heavy rockets might only be needed for direct trips to the moon or moon orbit or assembly of space craft in orbit... but that would be enough to justify their long term development.
Building a base on the moon could be the first experience building a space craft to fly from earth orbit to moon orbit and back...
All the yapping about Russia falling behind when it is the clear leader in the development of nuclear propulsion.
But the timid support for this development as seen in the timelines is disappointing.
They need to get it right... no half arsed... she will be good enough methods could be accepted... it has to work but it also has to be safe with levels of redundancy and safety... the western media wont care... it will be the Chernobyl space tug... but who cares what they say?
Space program was sacrificed in favor national security, unfortunate but true
If that were the case I would be fine with that...
America creates all the bullshit Star wars and Star trek and Firefly etc etc... let them pay for it... it does not cost them anything... they can just print more.
Unfortunately such credentials don't translate into the reserved, professional and diplomatic role of being the head of a national space agency, any more than Zhirinovsky's would
Most politicians should stay off Twitter, but not a reason to say he is not doing an acceptable job.