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    Post  flamming_python Thu Sep 02, 2021 4:43 pm

    Russian_Patriot_ wrote:Rogozin gave an interview to CNN:

    Now he's denying that he ever threatened to pull out of co-operation with NASA. Even though he did.

    That's the problem with being a blabbermouth.

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    Post  kvs Thu Sep 02, 2021 9:02 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    Russian_Patriot_ wrote:Rogozin gave an interview to CNN:

    Now he's denying that he ever threatened to pull out of co-operation with NASA. Even though he did.

    That's the problem with being a blabbermouth.

    Nope. This is called soft pressure tactics. Russian officials make certain not so veiled threats and Americans change their
    tune. So the focus should not be on Rogozin (which is a fetish for some people on this board) but on the behaviour of the
    exceptional ones.

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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Sep 02, 2021 9:44 pm

    kvs wrote:Nope.  This is called soft pressure tactics.  Russian officials make certain not so veiled threats and Americans change their tune.   ...

    Soft?

    He went in hard and dry on Russian reputation by the virtue of being a loudmouth retard and is now (yet again) exposed as the moron that he is

    Only thing he accomplished was for others to keep the tune going


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    Post  Big_Gazza Fri Sep 03, 2021 12:00 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    kvs wrote:Nope.  This is called soft pressure tactics.  Russian officials make certain not so veiled threats and Americans change their tune.   ...

    Soft?

    He went in hard and dry on Russian reputation by the virtue of being a loudmouth retard and is now (yet again) exposed as the moron that he is

    Only thing he accomplished was for others to keep the tune going



    He called the damned Muricanz out on their incessent BS, but you still insist on pissing and moaning about the man? Rogo and Roskosmos did absolutely the right thing in raising the spectre of an abandonment of co-operation on ISS. They made the feckless seppo bastards take notice and forced them to factor the ISS into their calculations about how far and hard to push Russia in their endless crusade to force her to obey Uncle Schmuels dictates.

    The price of Russian independence & national soverignty is eternal vigilance against sedition by Murican and their bought-and-paid-for quislings, both foreign and domestic. Even you should be able to agree with that statement (or maybe you were one of those Serbs who welcomed NATOs freedom bombs in 1999?)...

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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Sep 03, 2021 1:46 am

    Big_Gazza wrote:He called the damned Muricanz out on their incessent BS...

    Called them out?

    That moron spent his entire tenure on Roskosmos whining about how Russia will cut ties with NASA and now here he is on CNN on his knees and mouth open claiming he didn't threaten anything and gobbling big juicy alpha-dog cock on record and in the name of his country

    There is no "masterplan" behind his bullshit, there isn't even most basic plan or neural activity whatsoever, there's just him being a retard


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    Post  GarryB Fri Sep 03, 2021 5:46 am

    I seem to recall you bitched about him saying such things and now you bitch because he stopped?

    Personally I would like to see him continue to say the truth which is that US sanctions are making it difficult for Russia to cooperate with NASA and that if they continue Russia will reconsider their cooperation with the US at all levels and in every area.

    The US is creating this situation.... Russia is just reacting.... I mean is the US really so dumb they think they can impose sanctions on Russia and also get Russian cooperation in sanctions against Iran or North Korea or China?

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    Post  Big_Gazza Fri Sep 03, 2021 1:14 pm

    Yes, the US really IS that dumb... Suspect

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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Sep 03, 2021 9:50 pm

    GarryB wrote:I seem to recall you bitched about him saying such things and now you bitch because he stopped?...

    Again missing the point: He never should have said it to begin with because everyone and their grandma knew it's BS

    He is spinning down the toilet but instead of going away quietly he makes every effort to smear shit all over Russia on his way down

    I am continually amazed by your dedication to carry the water for this braindead moron at all cost and under all circumstances


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    Post  GarryB Sat Sep 04, 2021 9:18 am

    He never should have said it to begin with because everyone and their grandma knew it's BS

    But it is not BS... if the US actually took Covid 19 seriously and really wanted to help its own citizens then they would find they couldn't use Sputnik V or the other Russian Vaccines because they have sanctions against the companies that make it.

    But profits for Pfizer are more important than American lives so it has not become an issue.

    At least one Russian official involved in their space programme cannot visit the US because he is banned and would not get a visa to visit.

    This is a type of bullshit, but totally American made... why should he not call them out on it?

    He certainly should not be denying it now..... fuckem.

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    Post  kvs Sat Sep 11, 2021 7:49 pm

    bmpd has tendentious characteristics similar to the rest of the 5th column liberasty in Russia. What sort of idiot uses "alleged" in the
    title. Maybe the whole launch was "alleged" and thus did not happen.

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    Post  Russian_Patriot_ Sat Sep 11, 2021 7:52 pm

    kvs wrote:bmpd has tendentious characteristics similar to the rest of the 5th column liberasty in Russia.   What sort of idiot uses "alleged" in the
    title.   Maybe the whole launch was "alleged" and thus did not happen.

    Because there is no official confirmation of this, since the payload is classified. Just guesses

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    Post  kvs Sun Sep 12, 2021 4:40 am

    Russian_Patriot_ wrote:
    kvs wrote:bmpd has tendentious characteristics similar to the rest of the 5th column liberasty in Russia.   What sort of idiot uses "alleged" in the
    title.   Maybe the whole launch was "alleged" and thus did not happen.

    Because there is no official confirmation of this, since the payload is classified. Just guesses

    The proper term is not "alleged" but "possible". The former insinuates dubious claim, the latter is neutral.

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    Post  lancelot Sun Sep 12, 2021 9:59 am

    They used the word Предположительный. The rest is just the machine translator at work.

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    Post  Big_Gazza Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:18 pm

    Russia has stopped the development of a lunar super-heavy rocket

    MOSCOW, September 15 - RIA Novosti. Russia has stopped technical design of a super-heavy rocket for flights to the Moon , but it is possible that work may be resumed after specifying the program, Dmitry Baranov, general director of the Samara Rocket and Space Center (RSC) Progress, told RIA Novosti.
    In December last year, Dmitry Rogozin , the general director of Roscosmos, announced on Facebook that the project of a super-heavy rocket, which was named Yenisei (and in a heavier version, Don), would be revised to use more breakthrough technologies: methane as fuel instead of oxygen and kerosene. In January 2021, the Space Council of the Russian Academy of Sciences recommended postponing the creation of a super-heavy rocket. And in February, Baranov told the media that the technical design of the Yenisei missile had been suspended due to the possibility of correcting its appearance. Now work on the creation of an oxygen-kerosene superheavy rocket has been completely stopped.

    He clarified that the work was stopped at the stage of technical design. It was previously assumed that it will end in October 2021.
    The experimental design work "STK Elements" provided for the development of key elements and technologies for the creation of a super-heavy space rocket complex. It was carried out by Progress by order of Roskosmos. The rocket was to be assembled from the Soyuz-5 and Soyuz-6 missiles being developed by the Progress RCC on the RD171MV and RD-180MV oxygen-kerosene engines.

    At the same time, Baranov did not rule out that in the future the corresponding work could be resumed, if such a decision is made by Roscosmos. At the same time, he noted, the enterprise, together with the state corporation, "is working to clarify the program for creating a space rocket complex for a super-heavy carrier rocket."
    Earlier, a source of RIA Novosti reported that instead of an oxygen-kerosene super-heavy rocket, a methane carrier of a super-heavy class could be created in Russia: six side blocks will be placed around the central one - all with the RD-182 engine (powerful methane engines) - and the upper stage based on the RD-0169 (methane engine). According to the interlocutor, the initiative to switch to methane fuel from kerosene-oxygen is a personal initiative of the head of Roscosmos Dmitry Rogozin.

    Interesting that the journo who wrote this piece attributes the pause to consider a methalox alternative to Rogozin.  IIRC it was the Russian Academy of Sciences that was driving the proposed use of methane instead of traditional kerolox.

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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Sep 15, 2021 3:22 pm


    Others keep building and launching

    Russia keeps canceling

    Trampoline Man keeps laughing his ass off

    What a fucking shitshow ... No lol1







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    Post  Daniel_Admassu Wed Sep 15, 2021 6:19 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Others keep building and launching

    Russia keeps canceling

    Trampoline Man keeps laughing his ass off

    What a fucking shitshow ... No  lol1


    I am not sure that I concur with the assertion that it is all Rogozin's fault, but it is true that Russia needs to do more in fast tracking its spaceport and launcher development. Deep space exploration and new space station roadmap is also another area it risks falling behind in. The number of satellite launches is not that important in itself but can be an indicator of neglect in the industry as a whole.
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    Post  kvs Wed Sep 15, 2021 6:28 pm

    How much of this Rogozin crap from PD is going to be tolerated in these threads? It is pure pollution.

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    Post  kvs Wed Sep 15, 2021 6:37 pm

    Big_Gazza wrote:Russia has stopped the development of a lunar super-heavy rocket

    Interesting that the journo who wrote this piece attributes the pause to consider a methalox alternative to Rogozin.  IIRC it was the Russian Academy of Sciences that was driving the proposed use of methane instead of traditional kerolox.

    The discussion of methalox revisions is pure speculation. The Yanisei appears to be on hold for other reasons. These slimy journalists
    inject all sorts of irrelevant shit into the coverage. The notion that the Yanisei is being delayed because of some methalox revision is
    pure BS. This is guaranteed failure if it was true. And the N-1 is an actual empirical data point relevant here. First the methalox
    components have to be designed, tested and for field experience to be developed from regular use. Engaging in such fanciful revisions
    for a Yanisei type project is moronic.

    Russia has no methalox rockets in service. The Yanisei was predicated on the Zenit replacement which was fully feasible and unlikely
    to fail since it amounted to updated construction of existing components within the same design framework.

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    Post  miketheterrible Wed Sep 15, 2021 6:52 pm

    Daniel_Admassu wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    Others keep building and launching

    Russia keeps canceling

    Trampoline Man keeps laughing his ass off

    What a fucking shitshow ... No  lol1


    I am not sure that I concur with the assertion that it is all Rogozin's fault, but it is true that Russia needs to do more in fast tracking its spaceport and launcher development. Deep space exploration and new space station roadmap is also another area it risks falling behind in. The number of satellite launches is not that important in itself but can be an indicator of neglect in the industry as a whole.

    Here is something most lower intellect people don't know

    You can't fall behind in such things.

    You see, China made leaps and bounds and new development. So did India. With very little history or technology base.  To say they will fall behind is rather primitive thought point.  You can't fall behind it. You either don't do it or you do.

    Russia has more things to do and fix before they venture further into deep space.  What is to be gained from it is still questionable and thus such frivolous endeavors are a waste in cost till they sort their shit out.  It doesn't mean they won't do it. They will. Just depends on the date.

    We have no idea what Russia's roadmap is in space development.  They jump through projects then cancel them or shelve them.  Why? Maybe because they realized it wasn't necessary and a waste on limited resources.

    US hasn't been doing shit for a decade till private companies decided to join in. And Elon Musk and the likes will only go so far, till their pocket books and shareholders are no longer interested. Then it's back to the state to do it.

    Russia is facing a different issue - "professionals" all giving their input but no one having a clear idea or path.

    So far, nuclear tug and Angara are the only thing I'm aware of in where they still have that consistent plan.

    India's economy is collapsing and they will eventually put a curb on spending on such endeavors too till they fix their shit.

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    Post  Daniel_Admassu Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:50 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:
    Daniel_Admassu wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    Others keep building and launching

    Russia keeps canceling

    Trampoline Man keeps laughing his ass off

    What a fucking shitshow ... No  lol1


    I am not sure that I concur with the assertion that it is all Rogozin's fault, but it is true that Russia needs to do more in fast tracking its spaceport and launcher development. Deep space exploration and new space station roadmap is also another area it risks falling behind in. The number of satellite launches is not that important in itself but can be an indicator of neglect in the industry as a whole.

    Here is something most lower intellect people don't know

    You can't fall behind in such things.

    You see, China made leaps and bounds and new development. So did India. With very little history or technology base.  To say they will fall behind is rather primitive thought point.  You can't fall behind it. You either don't do it or you do.

    Russia has more things to do and fix before they venture further into deep space.  What is to be gained from it is still questionable and thus such frivolous endeavors are a waste in cost till they sort their shit out.  It doesn't mean they won't do it. They will. Just depends on the date.

    We have no idea what Russia's roadmap is in space development.  They jump through projects then cancel them or shelve them.  Why? Maybe because they realized it wasn't necessary and a waste on limited resources.

    US hasn't been doing shit for a decade till private companies decided to join in. And Elon Musk and the likes will only go so far, till their pocket books and shareholders are no longer interested. Then it's back to the state to do it.

    Russia is facing a different issue - "professionals" all giving their input but no one having a clear idea or path.

    So far, nuclear tug and Angara are the only thing I'm aware of in where they still have that consistent plan.

    India's economy is collapsing and they will eventually put a curb on spending on such endeavors too till they fix their shit.

    Either you have serious trouble articulating your thoughts or you are dumb as hell. I will assume the first.

    We are talking about Russia falling behind. Not China or India.

    Russia was pretty much the first in every space checklist item. First satellite, first human, first space  walk, first space station, first probe to the moon...we really have a long list.

    Leave India or Elon Musk alone for now. China, in the last two decades, started from basically nothing and now maintains a permanent space station. I am not sure if it won't go ahead with its lunar station on its own and beat Russia to it. It has working rovers on both the moon and Mars. It has the largest terrestrial radio telescope. It has its own NavSat system. On top of that it has become second in overall launches.

    Now I know as much as the next person that most of China's progress was the result of technological copying combined with huge expenditure matching its economy. I don't begrudge them that. Not while the west hasn't been fair itself in its own history. And I don't expect Russia to match that kind of spending.

    But I EXPECT Russia to leverage its existing infrastructure and know how to stay on top of its game. Space exploration in particular is an area where the whole is larger than the sum of its parts. Achievement in this area will not be a plus just for science and space tech. It has an effect of inspiring  whole generations. Most Soviet youth grew up with the image of the Venera and Gagarin in their minds.

    The current ones, however, are watching on TV images of space sent by Chinese and NASA rovers. How is that, in any conceivable way,  not falling behind?

    I am not saying that Russia doesn't have a few things to look forward to, like the Angara project, the Federation capsule or the Zeus space thug. But it is frustrating to see endless redesigns and delays whenever you have something to hope for.

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    Post  Hole Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:12 pm

    And what do this lovely pictures of red sand bring to the development of mankind? Nothing. It´s just PR. Like the Hubble telescope. The russian IR and UV telescopes brought more knowledge then that thing but they are overlooked because the do not deliver so lovely and easily understandable pictures.

    By the way, China is still 30 years behind Russia. At least.

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:59 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Others keep building and launching

    Russia keeps canceling


    Keeps cancelling? Can you name 3 projects and reasons for cancelling please?


    Can you tell me number of launched new vehicles vs budget of organization including Roscosmos?  Perhaps also 3 years ago budget/profitability Roscosmoss/ 2years ago nad 1 year ago? Thx





    Hole wrote:And what do this lovely pictures of red sand bring to the development of mankind? Nothing. It´s just PR. Like the Hubble telescope. The russian IR and UV telescopes brought more knowledge then that thing but they are overlooked because the do not deliver so lovely and easily understandable pictures.

    By the way, China is still 30 years behind Russia. At least.


    Now yes. But don't forget they are advancing very fast. And their budget capabilities are on Us level. Russia needs to keep going.
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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Sep 15, 2021 10:26 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:looks like a cry wolf eating red herrings  Very Happy  Very Happy  Very Happy

    Rogozin denied information about the termination of work on the super-heavy "Yenisei"


    https://tass.ru/kosmos/12405663

    Rogozin said something intelligent?

    My God, flaming rocks will be falling out of the sky, take shelter!!!

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    Post  kvs Wed Sep 15, 2021 10:45 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    Big_Gazza wrote:Russia has stopped the development of a lunar super-heavy rocket

    MOSCOW, September 15 - RIA Novosti. Russia has stopped technical design of a super-heavy rocket for flights to the Moon , but it is possible that work may be resumed after specifying the program, Dmitry Baranov, general director of the Samara Rocket and Space Center (RSC) Progress, told RIA Novosti.in.

    Interesting that the journo who wrote this piece attributes the pause to consider a methalox alternative to Rogozin.  IIRC it was the Russian Academy of Sciences that was driving the proposed use of methane instead of traditional kerolox.


    looks like a cry wolf eating red herrings  Very Happy  Very Happy  Very Happy


    Rogozin denied information about the termination of work on the super-heavy "Yenisei"



    The head of Roscosmos added that methane engines will also be developed, which will make it possible to reuse the rocket stages


    EKATERINBURG, September 15. / TASS /. Work on the creation of the super-heavy Yenisei launch vehicle has never stopped, Roscosmos head Dmitry Rogozin told reporters on Wednesday during a visit to NPO Automatics in Yekaterinburg.

    Earlier in the media, with reference to Dmitry Baranov, General Director of the Samara Rocket and Space Center (RSC) Progress, information appeared that Russia had stopped technical design of the Yenisei rocket for flights to the moon.

    "In fact, the work on the creation of a strategic transport space system has never stopped. <...> Technically, we are ready to start creating a super-heavy rocket right now, <...> elements of a super-heavy rocket are evident," he said.

    Rogozin noted that the super-heavy rocket "costs colossal money." In his opinion, it cannot be "sculpted from what was", but it is necessary to use only the latest technologies in the process of creation, for example, composite tanks, which will be 30-40% lighter than tanks made of already existing alloys.

    The head of Roscosmos added that methane engines will also be developed, which will make it possible to reuse the rocket stages. "We will do better a little later, but we will do so that it will be an incentive for the development of composite materials in Roskosmos, and new alloy systems, and new production systems, and new engines, which are not yet available, but we hope to get them. by 2024-2025, "he said.


    https://tass.ru/kosmos/12405663



    Thank you so much for this. Even under the Tsar before 1917 the Russian media (newspapers) was engaged in open sedition and the spreading
    of misinformation. Here we have a case of the same 5th column activity in the present day.

    Never, ever give the F*CKING "journalist" any benefit of the doubt. Treat the more-than-likely shit they spread as totally suspect.

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Wed Sep 15, 2021 11:07 pm

    kvs wrote:

    Thank you so much for this.   Even under the Tsar before 1917 the Russian media (newspapers) was engaged in open sedition and the spreading
    of misinformation.   Here we have a case of the same 5th column activity in the present day.

    Never, ever give the F*CKING "journalist" any benefit of the doubt.   Treat the more-than-likely shit they spread as totally suspect.


    I am afraid that's not a Vth column. This might be even worse. A combo of journos' "general effective education" + incentive to get bonus depending on clicks. They dont think about right or wrong. Just to sell their tittle.






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    Rogozin said something intelligent?


    You really must love him Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil  cmon no need to be emotional about Rogozin. His first task is to dry swamp of 25 years of no admin and leaking funds, lots of "grey " schemes. To introduce normal corporate management  and production  quality processes. This takes time, He is what 3 years doting this? looks and results of Roscosmoss before him and after he came. This shall tell more less objectively about  status. News tittles are not the best source for this I am afraid.

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