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    Su-34 Tactical Bomber: News #2

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    Post  George1 Tue Dec 07, 2021 3:07 pm

    Νew Su-34 multipurpose bombers have entered the Eastern Military District's air unit in Khabarovsk.

    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/13127869

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    Post  limb Tue Dec 07, 2021 10:58 pm

    Does the platan targeting unit have FLIR and ability to track moving tanks with a laser?
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    Post  GarryB Wed Dec 08, 2021 7:08 am

    I would think by now the internal system probably includes third gen thermals and most modern Russian systems have video processing systems with autotrackers... the Kornet and TOR and Pantsir and even their MBTs have that capacity... Shkval system in the Su-25TM and Ka-50 aircraft had such capabilities too.

    The idea of Platan was to give basic all purpose capability to every aircraft without being expensive with external pods able to provide state of the art capability when needed.
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    Post  George1 Thu Dec 09, 2021 2:15 am

    The Russian Aerospace Forces received the first Su-34 front-line bombers in 2021


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    Bmpd's comment. Thus, we are talking about the delivery in November, presumably, of four front-line Su-34 bombers of the new construction of the Novosibirsk Aviation Plant - a branch of PJSC "Company" Sukhoi "in the structure of the 277th bomber aviation regiment of the 303rd mixed aviation division of the 11th based at the Khurba airfield (near Komsomolsk-on-Amur, Khabarovsk Territory) 1st Red Banner Army of the Air Force and Air Defense of the Eastern Military District.

    These are the first Su-34 aircraft built by NAZ in 2021 and received this year by the Russian Aerospace Forces. The overflights of these new aircraft (without the printed side numbers) were observed in Novosibirsk in October-November 2021.

    Presumably, the first Su-34 aircraft built by NAZ under the new three - year contract for the construction of 24 Su-34 bombers concluded in June 2020 by the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation with PJSC United Aircraft Corporation (PJSC UAC) . Apparently, the built aircraft have serial numbers from 12-01 to 12-04. With the delivery of these aircraft, the total number of built Su-34s is 143, including seven experimental and pre-production aircraft.

    Earlier, the 277th Bomber Aviation Regiment in Khurb received 26 Su-34 aircraft in 2016-2017, with which two squadrons of the regiment were equipped (two of these Su-34s were lost in a collision on January 18, 2019 over the Tatar Strait). The third squadron of the regiment retained in service the front-line bombers Su-24M2, transferred to it during rearmament from two other squadrons. As you can understand, now the Su-34s have entered service with the third squadron to replace the Su-24M2, and, apparently, it is planned to completely re-equip the 277th regiment with Su-34 aircraft.

    It should be noted that earlier in June 2021, the press service of the Central Military District reported that by the end of this year, the 2nd Guards Mixed Aviation Orsha Red Banner Regiment of the 21st Mixed Aviation Division of the 14th Smolensk Red Banner Army of the Air Force and Air Defense should receive the first eight modernized front-line bombers Su-34M, based at the Shagol airfield (Chelyabinsk). Until now, there is no information about such a receipt and, in general, the reliability of this announcement is unclear. Now the 2nd Guards Mixed Aviation Regiment in Shagol has two squadrons of front-line Su-34 bombers, received in 2017-2019, and a squadron of Su-24MR reconnaissance aircraft.

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    Post  George1 Thu Dec 09, 2021 2:18 am

    total number in service must be 126 considering those aircrafts that have crashed/withdrawn
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    Post  franco Thu Dec 09, 2021 3:13 am

    George1 wrote:total number in service must be 126 considering those aircrafts that have crashed/withdrawn

    I show 125 in service before these 4 new ones but this is not an exact process Very Happy
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    Post  George1 Thu Dec 09, 2021 3:39 pm

    franco wrote:
    George1 wrote:total number in service must be 126 considering those aircrafts that have crashed/withdrawn

    I show 125 in service before these 4 new ones but this is not an exact process Very Happy

    i follow AMCXXL in numbers. He is an expert Smile

    https://www.russiadefence.net/t947p925-su-34-tactical-bomber-news#304234

    3 Su-34 crashed in accidents
    At least 6 Su-34 have been retired

    Then there are as much 122 Su-34 in service:

    Dec 06, 2020

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    Post  George1 Thu Dec 23, 2021 1:51 pm

    New Su-34 bombers arrived in Lipetsk


    December 23rd, 1:20
    As the Department of Information and Mass Communications of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation reported on December 22, 2021, a batch of Su-34 bombers arrived at the State Center for Aviation Personnel Training and Military Testing of the Russian Defense Ministry stationed in Lipetsk. The crews of the Aerospace Forces performed a flight from the Novosibirsk region to a permanent airfield. They covered about four thousand kilometers. Relocation was carried out without intermediate landings.

    Previously, the VKS specialists carried out a comprehensive reception of aviation equipment at the manufacturing plant, during which representatives of the aviation engineering service and the flight crew performed control checks of the operation of components and assemblies, systems and mechanisms in various modes on the ground and in the air. In the near future, the aircraft will be used as intended during the winter training period.

    From the bmpd side, we indicatethat only one Su-34 bomber with the tail number "16 red" appears in the photo report published by the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. It can be assumed that the planes arrived in Lipetsk one by one and the rest were not filmed for the photo reportage. Probably, in fact, in this way, two or three Su-34 front-line bombers of a new construction of the V.P. Chkalov Novosibirsk Aviation Plant, a new construction of the Novosibirsk Aviation Plant named after V.P. P. Chkalov (NAZ named after V.P. Chkalov) - a branch of PJSC Sukhoi Company (within PJSC United Aircraft Corporation - PJSC UAC).

    Presumably, these Su-34 aircraft were built by NAZ under a new three-year contract concluded in June 2020 by the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation with PJSC UAC for the construction of 24 Su-34 bombers. Earlier in November, presumably, the first four Su-34s manufactured under the first contract (and the first aircraft of this type, delivered by the enterprise in 2021) entered the 277th based at the Khurba airfield (near Komsomolsk-on-Amur, Khabarovsk Territory) Bomber Aviation Regiment of the 303rd Mixed Aviation Division of the 11th Red Banner Army of the Air Force and Air Defense of the Eastern Military District.

    According to known data, now there are nine Su-34 aircraft in Lipetsk as part of the 968th separate mixed aviation regiment of the 4th Center for Military Testing and Personnel Training of the V.P. Chkalov Aerospace Forces. It should be noted that one of the Lipetsk Su-34s already has the side number "16 red".

    We also point out that earlier in June 2021, the press service of the Central Military District reportedthat by the end of this year, the 2nd Guards Mixed Aviation Orsha Red Banner Regiment of the 21st Mixed Aviation Division of the 14th Smolensk Red Banner Army of the Air Force and Air Defense should receive the first eight modernized front-line bombers Su-34M, based at the Shagol airfield (Chelyabinsk). Until now, there is no information about such a receipt and, in general, the reliability of this announcement is unclear.

    Earlier, in early December, three new Su-35S fighters were also delivered to the 4th Center for Military Testing and Personnel Training of the V.P. Chkalov Aerospace Forces in Lipetsk .

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Thu Dec 30, 2021 3:12 pm

    Guys something I dont understand about su34...

    I regularly see photo of this bad boy carrying R77...

    What for ? Would the radar of SU34 even pika m be suitable to use these missiles?

    If it Carried missiles for self protection then would IR missiles be more suitable? Since the IR capabilities are more suitable for self defense?

    Unless su34 has hidden capabilities not known , maybe it could fly as r77 missiles truck cued by su35 and su30? A50u? Can su34 rapidly switch roles in this way?

    If so then that's a vast amount of air superiority the Russians are fielding with su34 , because it's not only bomber
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    Post  Mir Thu Dec 30, 2021 3:24 pm

    @ Arkanghelsk

    The Su-34 is not just a bomber - it is fully capable as a fighter. It doesn't have thrust vectoring nozzles but it is capable of pulling very high G's.
    It's multi-mode radar can track 10 air targets at a time and it will soon boast an even better radar that can detect targets (land, sea and air) out to 300kms.


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    Post  miketheterrible Thu Dec 30, 2021 3:26 pm

    User Medo can give a good explanation. Or go through the thread and you'll find your answer. You will find they Suz35 is a very capable fighter.
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    Post  ALAMO Thu Dec 30, 2021 3:27 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:Guys something I dont understand about su34...
    I regularly see photo of this bad boy carrying R77...
    What for ? Would the radar of SU34 even pika m be suitable to use these missiles?
    If it Carried missiles for self protection then would IR missiles be more suitable? Since the IR capabilities are more suitable for self defense?
    Unless su34 has hidden capabilities not known , maybe it could fly as r77 missiles truck cued by su35 and su30? A50u? Can su34 rapidly switch roles in this way?
    If so then that's a vast amount of air superiority the Russians are fielding with su34 , because it's not only bomber

    Sure it does.
    Leninets, who made the radar suite for Su-34, was in charge of upgrading Zaslon of the MiG-31 as well.
    Both share some technology&parts.
    Su-34 is a follow-on of Su-27IB, where IB states for "istriebitiel-bombardirowszczik" - fighter bomber.

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    Post  franco Thu Dec 30, 2021 3:27 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:Guys something I dont understand about su34...

    I regularly see photo of this bad boy carrying R77...

    What for ? Would the radar of SU34 even pika m be suitable to use these missiles?

    If it Carried missiles for self protection then would IR missiles be more suitable? Since the IR capabilities are more suitable for self defense?

    Unless su34 has hidden capabilities not known , maybe it could fly as r77 missiles truck cued by su35 and su30? A50u? Can su34 rapidly switch roles in this way?

    If so then that's a vast amount of air superiority the Russians are fielding with su34 , because it's not only bomber

    It does have fighter capabilities and the upgraded 34NVO version plus the upcoming 34M even more so. Think F-15 Super Eagle.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Thu Dec 30, 2021 3:45 pm

    Wow, this is damn incredible.

    That means in a military district where russia is fielding maybe 5 to 6 fighter regiments are augmented by the presence of 2 or 3 additional su34 regiments.

    In an attack mission, su34 can be behind escorts or even in front with r77s armed ready to engage responding air threats, and proceed to bombing it's original targets.

    This is a badass aircraft and more are needed

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    Post  Mir Thu Dec 30, 2021 4:02 pm

    franco wrote:
    Think F-15 Super Eagle.  

    That Strike Eagle ain't no Super Eagle! scratch Laughing
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    Post  medo Thu Dec 30, 2021 6:59 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:Guys something I dont understand about su34...

    I regularly see photo of this bad boy carrying R77...

    What for ? Would the radar of SU34 even pika m be suitable to use these missiles?

    If it Carried missiles for self protection then would IR missiles be more suitable? Since the IR capabilities are more suitable for self defense?

    Unless su34 has hidden capabilities not known , maybe it could fly as r77 missiles truck cued by su35 and su30? A50u? Can su34 rapidly switch roles in this way?

    If so then that's a vast amount of air superiority the Russians are fielding with su34 , because it's not only bomber

    Su-34 is not a bomber, but fighter-bomber. Su-34 have fighter capabilities and can turn to 9G although it doesn't have TVC. Radar V004 is well kept in secret. Available data are for the prototype from the nineties, which could track 10 targets and engage 4 targets in the air. That radar was not good enough for RuAF, so they well upgrade it for serial Su-34. Only known info for serial radar is, that they increased radar max range from 240 km for prototype from nineties to 370 km. It can use longer range AAMs as R-27ER and sooner or later they will get R-77-1 AAMs as well.

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    Post  franco Thu Dec 30, 2021 7:05 pm

    Mir wrote:
    franco wrote:
    Think F-15 Super Eagle.  

    That Strike Eagle ain't no Super Eagle! scratch Laughing

    I actually meant that... it was not a Strike but a Super Eagle russia

    Sarcasm and subtlety are such fine arts, don't you agree Very Happy

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    Post  GarryB Fri Dec 31, 2021 12:52 pm

    If it Carried missiles for self protection then would IR missiles be more suitable? Since the IR capabilities are more suitable for self defense?

    R-77s means it can engage threats before they get close and become real problems, and it can also be a swing fighter where it might be carrying heavy air to ground ordinance, which when released free the aircraft to provide top cover for other Su-34s engaging ground targets.

    Not perfect for dogfighting, but then R-77 is a BVR weapon and not really a dogfighting missile... it does reportedly have some anti missile performance so for example an Su-34 attacking a Patriot battery with kh-58s or even Kh-59Ks... suddenly detects a Patriot missile being launched in its general direction could launch an R-77 to shoot it down... just as an example.

    Or after destroying the Patriot battery with air to surface missiles it might detect some fighters coming up to attack it... R-77s could be launched at them and then it can turn around and leave the area... without midcourse updates the chance of a kill would normally be quite low, but if the target aircraft persist on chasing the Su-34 and fly straight towards the outgoing R-77s their chance of detecting and engaging those aircraft are actually pretty good which would also force them to disengage chasing down the Su-34 which is exactly what it would want.

    In many ways it could be used as a side by side seat Su-30 mini AWACS type heavy fighter type.

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    Post  Mir Fri Dec 31, 2021 2:11 pm

    One of the most interesting early proposals was the Su-32FN. A single prototype was developed from the Su-27IB. It was optimized for maritime strike and reconnaissance. The really interesting aspect was that the Su-32FN was apparently fitted with the "Sea Dragon" maritime avionics suite with MAD gear in the very long tailboom. I think it was even longer than the usual tailboom? If that was true, equipped with pods for sonar buoys and APR-2/3 rocket torpedoes, would have given the Su-32FN a unprecedented ASW capability!

    The Su-32FN was offered for export and was capable of carrying 1/2 Moskit or 3 Yakhont missiles in the maritime strike role. It is said that the Su-32FN was developed in the late the 80's from proposals made by the famous test pilot Viktor Pugachev.
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    Post  Mir Fri Dec 31, 2021 3:29 pm

    When the Su-27IB was first displayed publicly Western observers was somewhat puzzled by the platypus style nose. It was thought that the shape of the nose prohibited the aircraft from actually having any form of radar and that the radar would likely be an "add-on" pod system. Many considered the aircraft as a test bed despite being set as a Su24 replacement and exhibited with a full load of dummy missiles under the wings and fuselage!
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    Post  GarryB Sat Jan 01, 2022 4:45 am

    One of the early photos of the aircraft showed it flying past a carrier and all of a sudden everyone was assuming it was a new carrier based aircraft... but of course it was ridiculously over weight for such a role.

    Any USN buff would know about the history of the F-111 and the first versions of it that were supposed to be carrier based with fighter and strike capabilities, but that was too heavy too.

    The result was that it was upgraded but kept the same engines and used as a land based strike aircraft, while the carrier version had the radar and the air to air missile upgraded, it kept the same engines and a huge weight loss programme and became the F-14A.

    Of course it really only came of age with its new engines in the F-14D model...

    There was a two seat side by side version of the Su-33 that was developed that was closer in weight to the Su-27 sized aircraft and it had lots of new technology on it... at first glance it looks like an Su-34 but the nose fairing is round and there are only single large main wheel under carriages because it is much much lighter than the Su-34.

    The Navy was the poor cousin so it was never produced... then the Indian order for MiG-29KRs was made then that order paid for tooling and production to be set up so the Russian Navy could then order more planes on the back of that order for the price of the aircraft and without having to pay for tooling and setting up production and training workers etc etc... otherwise they would probably still only have Su-33s in service.

    This is the aircraft here... sometimes called Su-27KUB and sometimes called Su-32KUB, it actually was lighter than the Su-34 and was intended for carrier launch.

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    No money means no money... the money they had was committed to other things like subs and new modular weapons and sensor suites which are not cheap.

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    Post  Mir Sun Jan 02, 2022 9:08 pm

    Side views showing off the difference between the two designs.

    The Su-27KUB (su-33UB)
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    The Su-34
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    Apart from the nose the su-34 features the double wheel main undercarriage and the long sting in the tail. Not so apparent in the picture is that the su-27KUB (su-33UB) was fitted with an arrestor hook for carrier operations.

    The initial prototype for the Su-34(su-27IB) did not feature the double wheel main landing gear but became standard in subsequent development aircraft.
    Here is the picture of the first prototype doing a touch and go on the Kuznetsov. Note the mig-29K prototype.
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    Post  GarryB Mon Jan 03, 2022 5:34 am

    The enormous weight increase as it moved into the dedicated medium strike role (obviously multirole MiG-29SMT is short range strike replacing Su-17 and MiG-27s in that role, while medium strike is Su-24, and heavy strike being Tu-22M3) meant the extra main wheels to spread the weight.

    The very early history is a bit murky and some suggest that image of the Su-34 flypast was disinformation and that it was never fitted with a tail hook.

    Remember the Su-33 had no strike role or capability, and of course the Su-25s on the Kuznetsov had no gun and were unable to carry weapons and were strictly a pilot training two seater. There was reportedly a photo of an Su-25 carrying a towed target for CIWS training... where the target was attached to an underwing pod and could be towed by a cable of significant length for the 30mm gatlings to fire at without risking the aircraft.

    It is more likely this image showing the clearly lighter model single undercarriage version was perhaps a prototype Su-32 naval version that was developed into the land based Strike model replacement for the Su-24, while the Su-33KUB was the lighter Su-32 that became a dead end.
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    Post  Mir Mon Jan 03, 2022 7:51 am

    It is more likely this image showing the clearly lighter model single undercarriage version was perhaps a prototype Su-32 naval version that was developed into the land based Strike model replacement for the Su-24, while the Su-33KUB was the lighter Su-32 that became a dead end.

    The TASS picture I posted shows the first prototype Su-27IB in August 1990 making a dummy approach towards the aircraft carrier Tbilisi. The aircraft was wrongly labelled Su-27KU by Western intelligence. This prototype was the only one fitted with a single wheel on the main undercarriage.

    The concept design of the Su-27IB started way back in 1983 on the basis of the Su-27UB. The first prototype flew in April 1990 and publicly unveiled at the Mosaeroshow '92 static show.

    The Su-32FN maritime strike aircraft was a land based version and offered for export. By this time all development aircraft had the double wheels on the main undercarriage. The only other Su-32 was the Su-32MF with no naval heritage - also an export model.

    The Su-27KUB or su-33UB was directly developed from the Su-33(su-27K) and the first and only sample rolled out the factory in 1999. There is no such thing as a Su-32KUB or Su-33KUB. Wink

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