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    Su-34 Tactical Bomber: News #2

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Thu Nov 17, 2022 4:32 pm

    Isos wrote:IMO it's the procurment of plane that were ordered long ago. They don't replace the losses.

    If they want to replace lost planes they need to ordered new contracts.

    AMCXXL said they made a new contract in summer

    So he says these new batches go to the new squadrons in Khurba and probably Voronezh if they make a new squadron

    The contract signed in summer will be to replace losses

    Although I think this is where Mig35 can be useful, to fill in to bolster the numbers
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    Post  AMCXXL Thu Nov 17, 2022 9:32 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:

    So the final batch delivered by year end, will replace all lost aircraft of SMO?

    Isos wrote:IMO it's the procurment of plane that were ordered long ago. They don't replace the losses.

    If they want to replace lost planes they need to ordered new contracts.

    Arkanghelsk wrote:
    Isos wrote:IMO it's the procurment of plane that were ordered long ago. They don't replace the losses.

    If they want to replace lost planes they need to ordered new contracts.

    AMCXXL said they made a new contract in summer

    So he says these new batches go to the new squadrons in Khurba and probably Voronezh if they make a new squadron

    The contract signed in summer will be to replace losses

    Although I think this is where Mig35 can be useful, to fill in to bolster the numbers



    Most likely the contract for 24 currently being delivered is for two new squadrons, Khurba and perhaps Voronezh.
    In any case, the previous contracts already had an amount to replace losses: 32+92+2 options are 126 aircraft, that is, 10 squadrons plus 6 additional ones, of which only 2 went to Akhtubinsk and the other 4 were used to replenish
    An additional contract was also signed at the Forum Armiya 2022 for an indeterminate number and this could be to replace the losses
    In addition, the future contract for will be for 76, this is also 6 squadrons of 12 plus 4 additional


    Since the action is currently taking place in the Ukraine it is quite likely that the next squadron will be the 3rd Voronezh.
    Also, on the runway of the aerodrome there are 36 aircraft spots painted if you look at googlemaps (24 on the right and 12 on the left).
    The latest images I have found show up to 22 Su-34 and 2 Su-24, plus a few Su-30/35


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    Post  George1 Thu Nov 17, 2022 11:13 pm

    Here says that:
    - most likely four Su-34Ms were delivered
    - in August 2022,the Russian Ministry of Defense signed a new contract for a number of Su-34Ms (according to unofficial data, about 15 units)

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4614104.html


    i remind that 8 out of the 24 ordered Su-34Ms had been delivered from 2 two batches. So now we have 12

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    Post  AMCXXL Fri Nov 18, 2022 1:56 am

    George1 wrote:Here says that:
    - most likely four Su-34Ms were delivered
    - in August 2022,the Russian Ministry of Defense signed a new contract for a number of Su-34Ms (according to unofficial data, about 15 units)

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4614104.html


    i remind that 8 out of the 24 ordered Su-34Ms had been delivered from 2 two batches. So now we have 12

    New aircraft are marked as Su-34NVO
    Most likely Su-34M will remain for a future version with upgraded engines and other things

    https://russianplanes.net/st/Sukhoi/Su-34NVO

    The number of planes purchased is probably enough to replace the regiments in their regulatory number of planes, it may even be that the number is not closed or there are options for more planes, since the war has not yet ended

    It is not at all clear that 4 aircraft have been delivered in November, especially if more are to be delivered in December
    If we assume that 4 were delivered in summer, added to the numbers 50 to 55 that arrived last year in Khurba, that would be 10, so only 2 would be needed to complete the third squad. And in December another squad would start.
    As long as images of new aircraft do not appear, it is not possible to know how many have been delivered this year

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Fri Nov 18, 2022 3:18 am

    AMCXXL wrote:
    George1 wrote:Here says that:
    - most likely four Su-34Ms were delivered
    - in August 2022,the Russian Ministry of Defense signed a new contract for a number of Su-34Ms (according to unofficial data, about 15 units)

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4614104.html


    i remind that 8 out of the 24 ordered Su-34Ms had been delivered from 2 two batches. So now we have 12

    New aircraft are marked as Su-34NVO
    Most likely Su-34M will remain for a future version with upgraded engines and other things

    https://russianplanes.net/st/Sukhoi/Su-34NVO

    The number of planes purchased is probably enough to replace the regiments in their regulatory number of planes, it may even be that the number is not closed or there are options for more planes, since the war has not yet ended

    It is not at all clear that 4 aircraft have been delivered in November, especially if more are to be delivered in December
    If we assume that 4 were delivered in summer, added to the numbers 50 to 55 that arrived last year in Khurba, that would be 10, so only 2 would be needed to complete the third squad. And in December another squad would start.
    As long as images of new aircraft do not appear, it is not possible to know how many have been delivered this year

    Excellent work , 👏  

    So it seems the losses were basically recovered and new squadrons are filled out

    Fucking great, now to protect these machines and augment the light fighter fleet

    ***edit,  if we take western exaggerated claims of 16 downed

    We take 140 operational (not counting 7 prototypes) , minus 16, yields 124 remaining aircraft +- assorted losses, plus 10 aircraft delivered this year, puts the fleet around 134 planes

    This is good , if 4 more are delivered at year end, it will be back to 138 , circa 140 aircraft since beginning of SMO

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    Post  TMA1 Fri Nov 18, 2022 5:54 am

    I believe the Su-34NVO are capable of using the new jamming and recon pods. Particularly interested in the pod with the powerful side looking radar with long range and meter squared or less SAR mapping capabilities. I wonder if it is good enough to track long range targets for strike.

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    Post  AMCXXL Fri Nov 18, 2022 11:50 am

    Arkanghelsk wrote:
    Excellent work , 👏  

    So it seems the losses were basically recovered and new squadrons are filled out

    Fucking great, now to protect these machines and augment the light fighter fleet

    ***edit,  if we take western exaggerated claims of 16 downed

    We take 140 operational (not counting 7 prototypes) , minus 16, yields 124 remaining aircraft +- assorted losses, plus 10 aircraft delivered this year, puts the fleet around 134 planes

    This is good , if 4 more are delivered at year end, it will be back to 138 , circa 140 aircraft since beginning of SMO

    I don't think so, when the previous contract ended there were 10 full squadrons plus two planes in Akhtubisnk, now there are 11 full squadrons, we are talking about 134 planes, from which we must discount the casualties of 2022.

    Of the 151 airframes manufactured as a maximum must be discounted 7 prototypes , 1 static airframe and 5 pre-series for tests that have already been withdrawn, that is, 13 fewer: remain 138.
    Several (about 4) were lost in the previous decade and about 12-15 this year


    TMA1 wrote:I believe the Su-34NVO are capable of using the new jamming and recon pods. Particularly interested in the pod with the powerful side looking radar with long range and meter squared or less SAR mapping capabilities. I wonder if it is good enough to track long range targets for strike.

    Yes, Su-34NVO is not a modernized version is a version with more capacities, included recon pods
    The modernized version should include better engines and other updates

    https://lenta.ru/news/2022/11/18/ntcnn/

    In the United States, the production of Su-34 in Russia was estimated

    The multifunctional front-line supersonic fighter-bomber Su-34 is a favorite of the Russian Ministry of Defense . An assessment of the pace of production of the Russian aircraft was given by the American magazine Military Watch.

    The publication admits that at the beginning of 2022, the Russian Aerospace Forces (VKS) were armed with 125 such interceptor fighters. According to the magazine, the Ministry of Defense received about 14 Su-34s each year.

    “This is expected to continue until at least the end of the 2020s. One of the main reasons why these aircraft were purchased in greater numbers than the Su-30SM and Su-35S, which are also high-maintenance heavy fighters, is that the Su-34 was produced exclusively for domestic use, while while a significant part of the production capacity of the other two models worked for export, ”the publication says.

    The magazine claims that fighter-interceptors are "prized for their long range, comparable to that of some strategic bombers, and powerful electronic warfare systems, which, combined with a relatively small effective scattering area, make them difficult to intercept."

    The publication admits that if the Su-34s receive engines from the Su-57 fighter, then the capabilities of the first will grow revolutionary.

    In November , the Russian Ministry of Industry and Trade announced that another batch of Su-34 front-line fighter-bombers had been handed over to the Russian Armed Forces.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Fri Nov 18, 2022 12:58 pm

    AMCXXL wrote:

    I don't think so, when the previous contract ended there were 10 full squadrons plus two planes in Akhtubisnk, now there are 11 full squadrons, we are talking about 134 planes, from which we must discount the casualties of 2022.

    Of the 151 airframes manufactured as a maximum must be discounted 7 prototypes , 1 static airframe and 5 pre-series for tests that have already been withdrawn, that is, 13 fewer: remain 138.
    Several (about 4) were lost in the previous decade and about 12-15 this year


    Thank you for your clearing it up!

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