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    Post  AMCXXL Wed Oct 19, 2022 1:33 pm

    Hole wrote:This just means that the next contract for the Su-34M will get bigger.

    Contracts have already been signed at the Armiya Forum, probably to replace the lost ones, although the number of aircraft is not known, it is probably for as many aircraft as necessary to fill the regiments
    Su-34M is still no available, even is necesary build first the prototype


    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4573192.html
    Earlier last week, Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation Sergei Shoigu announced the signing and presentation of a total of 36 contracts worth 522 billion rubles at the Army-2022 forum.

    According to published data, known signed and awarded contracts include:

    - with United Aircraft Corporation JSC - a contract was signed for the supply of Su-34 front-line bombers;

    - with JSC Russian Helicopters - a contract was signed for the supply of Ka-52M combat helicopters;

    - with JSC Russian Helicopters - a contract was signed for the supply of combat helicopters Mi-28NM;

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    Post  flamming_python Wed Oct 19, 2022 4:02 pm

    AMCXXL wrote:Su-34 crashed in Yeisk is RF-81726 Nº20

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    According to Aviation-Safety, the confirmed losses of the Su-34 in the Special Military Operation are 12 in total:
    Other 2 claims are only ukrainian claims with no evidence

    RF-81259 Nº05  28-feb  2º BAP
    RF-81251 Nº31  03-mar  277º BAP
    RF-81879 Nº24  05-mar  2º BAP
    RF-95070 Nº06  06-mar  47º BAP
    RF-95010 Nº35  14-mar  559º BAP
    RF-95858 Nº43  21-apr  559º BAP
    RF-95808 Nº24  25-apr  47º BAP
    RF-95846 Nº16  18-may  968º IISAP / 4º TsBP
    RF-95890 Nº51  17-jul  277º BAP
    RF-95004 Nº20  10 sep  47º BAP
    RF-81852 Nº09  02-oct  2º BAP
    RF-81726 Nº20  17-oct  277º BAP

    By regiment:
    3 Voronezh
    2 Morozovsk
    3 Chelyabisnk
    3 Khurba
    1 Lipetsk

    Finally we can lay this issue to rest, away from the Tsavo Lion-ISOS onslaught. The true Su-34 loss numbers

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Wed Oct 19, 2022 7:31 pm

    ALAMO wrote:Calling a country with a surplus budget, one of the lowest debt ratios on the planet, and owning giant reserves "cash strapped" is just direct proof of the irreversible brain dysfunction of an author.
    The gov. may not be, but the governed r- everything 20 miles outside of Moscow is her colony. That's the legacy of the Golden Horde.

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    Post  Robert.V Wed Oct 19, 2022 7:41 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:
    ALAMO wrote:Calling a country with a surplus budget, one of the lowest debt ratios on the planet, and owning giant reserves "cash strapped" is just direct proof of the irreversible brain dysfunction of an author.
    The gov. may not be, but the governed r- everything 20 miles outside of Moscow is her colony. That's the legacy of the Golden Horde.

    What you just said makes zero sense.

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Wed Oct 19, 2022 7:52 pm

    They always have enough cash for the military & security forces but can't have a strong middle class on its feet.
    The death toll due to the fall of a military plane on a house in Yeysk rose to 15
    18:40 10/18/2022 Source: Interfax
    The death toll from a military plane crash on a residential building in Yeysk has risen to 15, Anna Minkova, deputy governor of the Krasnodar Territory, told Interfax. "A patient with burns has died," she said.
    Minkova added that the deceased was in critical condition. In her telegram channel, the deputy governor of the region reported that three children were among the dead.
    "Now it is reliably known about 43 victims, including nine children. There are 25 people in hospitals, including two pregnant women and six children. (...) 15 people died, including three children," Minkova wrote. https://www.ng.ru/news/751139.html


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    Post  limb Wed Oct 19, 2022 8:27 pm

    What can cause both engines to just burn out like that? Birdstrikes?

    Su-34M is still no available, even is necesary build first the prototype

    This is BS. So they just sat on their asses with no modernization progress before the war.

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    Post  Odin of Ossetia Wed Oct 19, 2022 10:28 pm

    limb wrote:What can cause both engines to just burn out like that? Birdstrikes?

    Su-34M is still no available, even is necesary build first the prototype

    This is BS. So they just sat on their asses with no modernization progress before the war.



    Either "conventional" malfunction or sabotage?

    Someone I remember recently reading has suggested that the jet might have been hit by a smaller anti-aircraft missile from a MANPAD.


    Could also be a sniper shot from an anti-material rifle?

    Or even from a smaller caliber gun who got a lucky shot?


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    Post  GarryB Thu Oct 20, 2022 5:08 am

    It's staring u in the face

    Keymags is a rabidly anti Russian publisher, Reuters? Sold out to western intel decades ago.

    Business Insider and English Wiki are rat shit sources too.

    Should Soviet citizens have lapped up Nazi German reports about their casualties too?

    They are a party to the war and are obliged to make the Russian position appear worse than it actually is, so obviously the numbers are wrong.

    I present multiple sources- every1 is free to make their own conllusions. Western sources r not all pro-Ukr. & many r neutral.

    The west that has one party of the conflict under heavy economic sanctions and is banning them from international sports events, while the other they feed billions of dollars and weapons and equipment and ammo into every week... of course they are not neutral... they have to justify all the resources they have invested into a failed state and also justify to their people the coming hardships they are going to have to endure to they can punish Russia for doing something they cornered her in to doing in the first place.

    If I was posting Russian sources on a Ukr. forum, I would be accused of posting russian propaganda there for sure.

    On an Orc forum you would be immediately banned for life and probably put on a kill list.

    We only have a kill list... (just kidding... Smile  )

    most Soviets didn't have access to German media then; if they had & the NKVD found out, every1 knew what would happen to them, so they kept their thoughts to themselves.

    Yes, the west has a long history of exploiting freedom and democracy... look at how many western media propaganda sources there are in the world... all western media and social media outlets, as well as foreign owned Russian news sources too...

    They can only blame themselves for the bad name they give democracy and so called freedom.

    They sell two engine fighter as safer than sinhle engines because they can run on one engine.

    There plenty of cases of 1 engine not working of the two but that led to a crash.

    That's why single engine jet like su-75 need to be bought. Twin engines are more expensive and not necessarely safer.

    A twin engined aircraft has a chance to shut down the engine and put out the fire and then restart the engine.... with a single engined fighter there are no options other than eject.

    The 1st source I posted claims to have done an independent study- how would they benefit by posting inaccurate/false data?

    All propaganda outlets promise the truth and the story from all angles because they are honest and you can trust them, but they really have no access to real information from inside the Russian military... I bet you they worked out that number by looking on the internet for photos of aircraft pieces and then doubled that number and they got 15 because some of the photos were Ukrainian aircraft but they didn't know or care.

    The west has picked its side and is not going to be honest about anything.

    Germany and France have spent the last 7 odd years complaining that Russia wasn't complying with the Minsk agreements... except the Minsk agreements are about Kiev talking with the Donbass and Lugansk region leaders and Russia has no responsibilities at all... but you wont read that in western publications telling you what is happening them.

    It is all evil Putin... soon they will be telling Americans the only way Republicans will  do well in the elections in early November is with Russian hackers and Putins henchmen manipulating the numbers...

    Even after the war, as history shows, there will be conflicting reports & statistics of how many were lost, by type/whom, & by what reason.

    After the war Russia will release more detailed information.

    I doubt they'll put helo missiles on it!

    It is a tactical short range missile... think of it as 1/3rd of a Kh-25 except with IIR seeker and a two way datalink so the aircrew can track the missiles progress and change targets if a new target appears that is worthy of attention.

    By regiment:
    3 Voronezh
    2 Morozovsk
    3 Chelyabisnk
    3 Khurba
    1 Lipetsk

    But we were told one regiment lost half its planes... how can that be true if the losses occurred from so many different regiments?

    Almost like it was an extra lie...

    According to published data, known signed and awarded contracts include:

    - with United Aircraft Corporation JSC - a contract was signed for the supply of Su-34 front-line bombers;

    Why would they buy more if they are total shit?

    Surely they would stop buying everything except Su-57s... unless the other aircraft have been useful and have been worth risking aircrew operating them...

    What you just said makes zero sense.

    He thinks Russia is America and only the 1% get richer while the rest of the country and infrastructure is left to rot...

    They always have enough cash for the military & security forces but can't have a strong middle class on its feet

    Their social spending and infrastructure spending suggests they have a better chance of creating a strong middle class than the US right now who seem hell bent on preventing people from being able to afford health care.

    What can cause both engines to just burn out like that? Birdstrikes?

    The buildings are at the end of the runway, and the aircraft was full of fuel... losing half your power on takeoff when you are at low flight speed and low altitude can mean you are unable to climb.... and if buildings are in the way then a crash is almost certain for any aircraft.

    The Su-34 is not a tiny light sports car with huge engines, it is a strike aircraft.... it is capable of decent speed but not with one engine shut down at takeoff.

    Most other airfields it probably would have been fine... shut down the engine on fire and shut down the fuel and engage fire fighting systems to put the fire out while slowly climbing and accelerating... once up to speed and at a safe altitude it could have done a circuit and landed safely.

    This is BS. So they just sat on their asses with no modernization progress before the war.

    Actually I suspect they probably have a few lessons to learn from this conflict which might effect the new equipment and design of the Su-34M and the experience of this conflict might make the Su-34M to actually be rather better.

    Now they know how amazing the Rafale is, they might spend a bit of money and copy all the systems that make the Rafale so damn amazing and put them in the Su-34M design.

    Such a plane would never crash or be shot down so they would only need about 20.

    Either "conventional" malfunction or sabotage?

    Someone I remember recently reading has suggested that the jet might have been hit by a smaller anti-aircraft missile from a MANPAD.


    Could also be a sniper shot from an anti-material rifle?

    Or even from a smaller caliber gun who got a lucky shot?

    Security around a military air field is pretty tight, but of course never perfect.

    I would think Kiev would be crowing about a successful attack if they had anything to do with it like after the attack on the Crimean bridge.

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Thu Oct 20, 2022 6:08 am

    ..the Minsk agreements are about Kiev talking with the Donbass and Lugansk region leaders and Russia has no responsibilities at all...
    FYI, in a nutshell, DNR/LNR & these agreements were a ploy to inject cancer cells to Ukraine's body so it could be manipulated & influenced from Moscow. With autonomy, their personnel would have access to Kiev power structures within Verhovna Rada (parlament) & various ministries/departents. That's why Kiev participated in talks but refused to comply with them while buying time to build up its military.
    As for the Su-34s, as with Su-30/35s, I bet there will be more crashes & downings before the war is over.
    U may not trust Western sources, but I don't think they would exagerrate those losses on purpose, otherwise we would see much higher #s.
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    Post  ALAMO Thu Oct 20, 2022 6:40 am

    Robert.V wrote:[
    What you just said makes zero sense.

    It doesn't have to.
    The point is to spread this bullshit to give it "publicity" that will be transferred into "credibility" later in The Ultimate Machine of Truth.
    If you wi be careless enough to hit his links, you will figure out that some of them don't even cover the stated claim, or are saying the opposite to the thesis.
    Meet the Tsa.... something Laughing

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    Post  AMCXXL Thu Oct 20, 2022 8:37 am

    Novosibirsk - Eltsovka (NAPO) Date: September 24, 2022

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    Post  Mir Thu Oct 20, 2022 9:20 am

    The picture above is apparently the NVO variant.

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    Post  ALAMO Thu Oct 20, 2022 9:31 am

    Mir wrote:The picture above is apparently the NVO variant.

    Hey kids, look!
    A tenth of the daily oil export of the cash-stripped Empire of Evil is flying!

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    Post  Hole Thu Oct 20, 2022 1:11 pm

    Su-34M is still no available, even is necesary build first the prototype
    I read somewhere that there will be no dedicated prototype for the Su-34M, instead the next batches of the Su-34 will get modernised or new equipment. The next batch will receive a new computer, then the optics will be changed and so on. And at some point the plane wil just be called Su-34M. Like the T-54 turned into the T-55.

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    Post  Scorpius Thu Oct 20, 2022 8:09 pm

    Hole wrote:
    Su-34M is still no available, even is necesary build first the prototype
    I read somewhere that there will be no dedicated prototype for the Su-34M, instead the next batches of the Su-34 will get modernised or new equipment. The next batch will receive a new computer, then the optics will be changed and so on. And at some point the plane wil just be called Su-34M. Like the T-54 turned into the T-55.

    At least two batches of Su-34M have already been delivered to the army:
    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4550723.html

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    Post  AMCXXL Thu Oct 20, 2022 9:02 pm

    Scorpius wrote:
    Hole wrote:
    Su-34M is still no available, even is necesary build first the prototype
    I read somewhere that there will be no dedicated prototype for the Su-34M, instead the next batches of the Su-34 will get modernised or new equipment. The next batch will receive a new computer, then the optics will be changed and so on. And at some point the plane wil just be called Su-34M. Like the T-54 turned into the T-55.

    At least two batches of Su-34M have already been delivered to the army:
    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4550723.html

    This is wrong
    Not Su-34M , contract for 24 is Su-34NVO, next contract for 76 should be Su-34M if the upgrade is ready

    Тип: Су-34НВО
    НАПО - Новосибирское АПО (ru)
    https://russianplanes.net/id307762

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    Post  Robert.V Thu Oct 20, 2022 9:30 pm

    Su-34NVO are current upgraded Su-34's to partial planned Su-34M standard if I'm not mistaken. The upgrade is just a slight cockpit upgrade and the ability to carry new equipment like the new Recce gear and EW.



    And the Su-34M that are supposed to come are brand new planes. That possibly may have new engines and a perhaps single piece front glass along with improved avionics. And weight reduction due to going optical cable rout and new composite materials and manufacturing/ production.

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    Post  GarryB Fri Oct 21, 2022 4:49 am

    FYI, in a nutshell, DNR/LNR & these agreements were a ploy to inject cancer cells to Ukraine's body so it could be manipulated & influenced from Moscow. With autonomy, their personnel would have access to Kiev power structures within Verhovna Rada (parlament) & various ministries/departents. That's why Kiev participated in talks but refused to comply with them while buying time to build up its military.

    the cancer was coming from Kiev... as shown by buildings being burned in Odessa and people openly murdered in public... and the state doing nothing at all about it.

    Kiev used the Minsk agreements to create time to put nazis and Americans in charge in all areas of government in as many areas they controlled including but not limited to Odessa.

    The DNR and LNR didn't need indoctrination from Moscow to tell them that Kiev wanted them all exterminated... the evidence was there for everyone with open eyes to see.

    As usual Moscow and the Kremlin is accused of evil doing when all they are doing is let the west act like the west and taking advantage of the chaos that creates... they got troops into Syria... Asaad when to school in the west and is very western oriented but he didn't bend over his people and so he had to go, and in the Crimea the people of the Crimea took the initiative and essentially annexed themselves and then invited more Russian soldiers in to keep the peace while they held referendums.

    The only scheming bad guys in this story are in the US and Brussels and Germany and France and UK and Poland and Kiev... to name but a few.

    As for the Su-34s, as with Su-30/35s, I bet there will be more crashes & downings before the war is over.

    Of course there will, but this is Russia at war... they are not doing this to look cool or for the fun of it or to steal Kievs resources... they are doing it because it was going to happen anyway... Kiev already said it was building up forces to take the territories they wanted back and that included Crimea so Russia has no choice but to fight.

    U may not trust Western sources, but I don't think they would exagerrate those losses on purpose, otherwise we would see much higher #s.

    They were exaggerating losses for most of this conflict... they seem to scale it back because they were getting ridiculous... when Russia loses 50K soldiers in the first month then obviously by month 8 they have to have lost 500K but who is going to believe that?

    If you wi be careless enough to hit his links, you will figure out that some of them don't even cover the stated claim, or are saying the opposite to the thesis.

    Yes, if you do read some of the posts he links I think sometimes he just read the title or heading and didn't read the article and if you do read the article it often says the opposite of what he is trying to say...

    I read somewhere that there will be no dedicated prototype for the Su-34M, instead the next batches of the Su-34 will get modernised or new equipment. The next batch will receive a new computer, then the optics will be changed and so on. And at some point the plane wil just be called Su-34M. Like the T-54 turned into the T-55.

    The new investment in product substitution for civilian stuff might lead to better things becoming available, like digital night vision equipment and upgraded electronics components. Equally combat experience could lead to changes too.

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    Post  lancelot Sun Oct 30, 2022 1:18 am

    https://www.ruaviation.com/news/2022/10/24/18008/

    Birds caught in engine caused Su-34 aircraft crash in Yeysk
    October 24, 2022

    Two birds caught in Su-34 airplane engines were the cause of the airplane crash in Yeysk, security agencies told TASS.

    "Two sea gulls were caught in Su-34 engines at the moment of takeoff. Their remains were found by experts when examining aircraft fragments. this circumstance led to the fire in one of the aircraft engines, which led to the crash," security agencies said.

    On October 17, a Su-34 bomber crashed into a residential area in Yeysk. According to the Defense Ministry, the plane crashed because one of the engines caught fire during the climb. The pilots ejected. The spilled fuel ignited, and the fire spread to a nearby multi-story residential building.

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    Post  flamming_python Sun Oct 30, 2022 5:00 am

    lancelot wrote:https://www.ruaviation.com/news/2022/10/24/18008/

    Birds caught in engine caused Su-34 aircraft crash in Yeysk
    October 24, 2022

    Two birds caught in Su-34 airplane engines were the cause of the airplane crash in Yeysk, security agencies told TASS.

    "Two sea gulls were caught in Su-34 engines at the moment of takeoff. Their remains were found by experts when examining aircraft fragments. this circumstance led to the fire in one of the aircraft engines, which led to the crash," security agencies said.

    On October 17, a Su-34 bomber crashed into a residential area in Yeysk. According to the Defense Ministry, the plane crashed because one of the engines caught fire during the climb. The pilots ejected. The spilled fuel ignited, and the fire spread to a nearby multi-story residential building.

    Those buildings being built along the take-off trajectories of military aircraft is definitely a violation of something

    And it's a travesty that it has taken until the war for this to be noticed. For those people who burned to death it's little consolation either way.

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    Post  AMCXXL Wed Nov 16, 2022 8:11 pm

    https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/148985/
    UAC handed over a batch of front-line bombers to the Armed Forces

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    The next batch of new Su-34 aircraft was manufactured at the Novosibirsk Aviation Plant. V.P. Chkalov of the United Aircraft Corporation (part of the Rostec State Corporation). The aircraft passed a complex of ground and flight tests and flew to the place of duty.

    The Su-34 front-line bomber will form the basis of the strike power of the Russian front-line aviation. The upgraded Su-34 has expanded combat capabilities that allow the use of advanced aviation weapons, which will increase the range of destruction of ground and surface targets, expand the conditions and accuracy of bombing. "As part of the execution of the state defense order, we manufactured and handed over to the Russian Ministry of Defense Su-34 aircraft. "These are reliable and multifunctional machines," said the CEO of the United Aircraft Corporation. "We understand the importance of our work to provide the Russian armed forces with the necessary aviation equipment and will continue to fulfill all our obligations.

    By the end of this year, the Russian Aerospace Forces will receive another batch of aircraft, which are currently in production.

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    Post  George1 Thu Nov 17, 2022 2:46 am

    AMCXXL wrote:https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/148985/
    UAC handed over a batch of front-line bombers to the Armed Forces

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    The next batch of new Su-34 aircraft was manufactured at the Novosibirsk Aviation Plant. V.P. Chkalov of the United Aircraft Corporation (part of the Rostec State Corporation). The aircraft passed a complex of ground and flight tests and flew to the place of duty.

    The Su-34 front-line bomber will form the basis of the strike power of the Russian front-line aviation. The upgraded Su-34 has expanded combat capabilities that allow the use of advanced aviation weapons, which will increase the range of destruction of ground and surface targets, expand the conditions and accuracy of bombing. "As part of the execution of the state defense order, we manufactured and handed over to the Russian Ministry of Defense Su-34 aircraft. "These are reliable and multifunctional machines," said the CEO of the United Aircraft Corporation. "We understand the importance of our work to provide the Russian armed forces with the necessary aviation equipment and will continue to fulfill all our obligations.

    By the end of this year, the Russian Aerospace Forces will receive another batch of aircraft, which are currently in production.

    how many?
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    Post  AMCXXL Thu Nov 17, 2022 3:02 am

    George1 wrote:
    how many?

    No information about airplanes, Russia is at war.... ops!!! I meant Special Military Operation

    There are no photos or videos of aircraft inside western bases or in operation since October 2021, there are only a few loose images, such as this one of No. 55 at the Khurba base on the open day on Air Force Day.
    That implies that the numbers 50 to 55 delivered in 2021 were to form the 3rd squadron of the 277th Gv.BAP
    It is quite strange since the regiments of Su-35, Su-30 or MiG-31 only received two squadrons

    I suppose that the 3rd Khurba squadron will end and another will start, for example in Voronezh. we'll see.
    IF 3 batches are received in 2022 we will have 8 to 12 aircraft, in any case a additional contract was made this summer, the lost aircraft must be replaced

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Thu Nov 17, 2022 3:16 am

    AMCXXL wrote:
    George1 wrote:
    how many?

    No information about airplanes, Russia is at war.... ops!!! I meant Special Military Operation

    There are no photos or videos of aircraft inside western bases or in operation since October 2021, there are only a few loose images, such as this one of No. 55 at the Khurba base on the open day on Air Force Day.
    That implies that the numbers 50 to 55 delivered in 2021 were to form the 3rd squadron of the 277th Gv.BAP
    It is quite strange since the regiments of Su-35, Su-30 or MiG-31 only received two squadrons

    I suppose that the 3rd Khurba squadron will end and another will start, for example in Voronezh. we'll see.
    IF 3 batches are received in 2022 we will have 8 to 12 aircraft, in any case a additional contract was made this summer, the lost aircraft must be replaced

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    So the final batch delivered by year end, will replace all lost aircraft of SMO?
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    Post  Isos Thu Nov 17, 2022 11:22 am

    IMO it's the procurment of plane that were ordered long ago. They don't replace the losses.

    If they want to replace lost planes they need to ordered new contracts.

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