Su-34 Tactical Bomber: News #2

Mir wrote:The Su-34 can also carry quite a heavy load at 12400kg, which is even heavier than the F-15E at 10400kg - it's closest competitor.
The Rafale comes in at 9500kg. Not that it matters much but it does demonstrate the Su-34's main role as a bomber/strike fighter.
It also sports some terrific defensive armament in that all 12 hardpoints can be equipped with AAM's!

Mir wrote:Funny thing is when the Su-34 (Su27IB) was first spotted in the west they quickly came to the conclusion that the shape of the nose could not possibly allow for a radar. Little did they know!

The PESA radar fitted is actually quite powerful with a range of 250 km against large surface targets and 120 km against a fighter sized target. Not exactly the less than 100 kms as claimed by our resident Rafale lover.  

GarryB wrote:when was the last time any western aircraft penetrated properly defended airspace?

Hole wrote:

Mir wrote:The Su-34 can also carry quite a heavy load at 12400kg, which is even heavier than the F-15E at 10400kg - it's closest competitor.
The Rafale comes in at 9500kg. Not that it matters much but it does demonstrate the Su-34's main role as a bomber/strike fighter.
It also sports some terrific defensive armament in that all 12 hardpoints can be equipped with AAM's!

If the Rafale carries 9500kg it has barely enough fuel on board to fly one time around her own airfield.

Isos wrote:
Maybe you should try to make some more research.

120km against fighter type jet is 120 against a 4 gen fighter like a su-27 or f-15.

The Rafale has a 0.5 m2 rcs. This radar will see the Rafale far bellow 100km.

Isos wrote:Su 34 isn't developed with reduced RCS. Only su-35 is in the flanker family.

French air to air missiles are well integrated onto the airframe of the rafale.

Russian r-77 has metal parts that highly increase the rcs and their weapon pylons are way to big. Especially the two under the engines that greatly increase frontal rcs.

You saying su-34 has the same radar signature as a tomahawk tells me everything I need to know. Your claims are just dumb. No point of arguing anymore.

Isos wrote:You saying su-34 has the same radar signature as a tomahawk tells me everything I need to know. Your claims are just dumb. No point of arguing anymore.

Isos wrote:
French air to air missiles are well integrated onto the airframe of the rafale.
Russian r-77 has metal parts that highly increase the rcs and their weapon pylons are way to big.

Mir wrote:

Isos wrote:
French air to air missiles are well integrated onto the airframe of the rafale.
Russian r-77 has metal parts that highly increase the rcs and their weapon pylons are way to big.

Yes I can see that the Rafale's weapons are well integrated with no metal parts at all

ALAMO wrote:

GarryB wrote:when was the last time any western aircraft penetrated properly defended airspace?

In Vietnam, where they have lost 10 000 aircraft in 7 years.
But you know, math is for racists

Hole wrote:

ALAMO wrote:

GarryB wrote:when was the last time any western aircraft penetrated properly defended airspace?

In Vietnam, where they have lost 10 000 aircraft in 7 years.
But you know, math is for racists

Don´t forget sexist. 

Mir wrote:

And now you try and pull a Seig and run away when your dumb claims gets ripped to pieces. Very childish. How old are you?

Implies hidden from ground based radar by terrain and airborne radar would not see weapon pylons and weapons....

Isos wrote:I don't know what to answer.

Su-34 are falling against ukrainian 80s tech as soon as they enter ukraine and you try to convince me it's a wonderful aircraft.

I mean get real. This plane entering an airspace protected by Rafale, typhoons or even j-10 is a dead meat. It can't jamm a old Osa system, aesa radar + meteor will destroy it anytime.

It can't do deep strike in Ukraine abd you think it will be a good plateform agaibst a pear adversary ?

Implies hidden from ground based radar by terrain and airborne radar would not see weapon pylons and weapons....

Rafale does it to. Its specially design to do such attacks for nuclear strikes...

ALAMO wrote:France, assisted by the Brits, run out of ordnance after 2 weeks of bombing fuckin Libya, and had to ask the big fat owner for help
How sad is the reality of a once proud nation!

ALAMO wrote:The more you talk, the more fun it is
Oh please, please do!
We have a weekend, folks deserve some good entertainment!
Do you have a live stream somewhere, where we can watch your stand-up?
I can support you!
Good comedy is a rare species lately

Isos wrote:
Have you ever provided something interesting in this forum.

Podlodka77 wrote:

Isos wrote:I don't know what to answer.

Su-34 are falling against ukrainian 80s tech as soon as they enter ukraine and you try to convince me it's a wonderful aircraft.

I mean get real. This plane entering an airspace protected by Rafale, typhoons or even j-10 is a dead meat. It can't jamm a old Osa system, aesa radar + meteor will destroy it anytime.

It can't do deep strike in Ukraine abd you think it will be a good plateform agaibst a pear adversary ?

Implies hidden from ground based radar by terrain and airborne radar would not see weapon pylons and weapons....

Rafale does it to. Its specially design to do such attacks for nuclear strikes...

Isos, France can hardly boast of military successes in the last 80+ years; Wehrmacht (sorry but it's true), Algeria and Vietnam. France gives tens of billions of dollars and what is there of weapons ? A few hundred tanks, 10 submarines, barely 100 howitzers if we count the towed howitzers. And you call that an army ?
And how many precisely guided aerial bombs do you think the French Air Force has and how many would last in a conflict of this intensity ?
If France were on the border with Ukraine, the Ukroshitstan flag would be flying in Paris.

Podlodka77 wrote:Isos, the area of ​​France is large, and with 200 tanks and 100 howitzers, I don't think that's enough even for a guerrilla.
Helicopters ? Sadness.. If there was no US pressure on Russian aircraft exports, that Rafale would not have experienced the sales success it has experienced in the last few years.
Rafale is just a plane, not a space shuttle..