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    Su-57 Stealth Fighter: News #7

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    Post  Sujoy Fri Jan 15, 2021 12:46 pm

    GarryB wrote:Why do you think a high flying missile could not detect targets from enormous altitudes and allocate a missile to each target detected on the way and in the target zone?
    There could be several reasons but these missiles are probably prone to spoofing and also prone to Data Interference & Interception.

    Also, a high flying missile will find it difficult to measure or localize the target's position more accurately and by a series of such measurements estimate its behavior or motion relative to ownship.
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    Post  GarryB Sat Jan 16, 2021 5:09 am

    There could be several reasons but these missiles are probably prone to spoofing and also prone to Data Interference & Interception.

    A manouvering hypersonic missile is actually harder to intercept than a satellite... it is not lumbering slow B-29...

    There are measures and countermeasures for everything... data interference? A hypersonic missile won't be expecting data transmissions from the enemy target area to tell it where its target is...

    Also, a high flying missile will find it difficult to measure or localize the target's position more accurately and by a series of such measurements estimate its behavior or motion relative to ownship.

    What?

    Satellites are used to map the earth... are you saying they can't do it accurately because they operate much higher than hypersonic missiles...

    The people saying very high speed missiles are no good seem to be a small group of people that don't have them...

    Perhaps when more countries have them their performance and capabilities will be more appreciated.

    Makes you wonder why the US is spending billions to accelerate their hypersonic missile programmes because if they are so useless you would think they would work on jamming and target defence systems instead...

    Yes, I know the same argument could be directed at Russia and stealth, but if you look at what teh Soviets and Russians actually did, they didn't start making their own stealth aircraft.... they started working on long wave radar and thermal imaging systems to detect stealthy targets, and slowly incorporated stealth features on their conventional aircraft and created new stealth platforms, but also non stealth platforms to operate with them...

    Ie they didn't make PAK FA and cancel MiG-35 and Su-35 and Su-30 programmes, and they didn't cancel Tu-160 to make PAK DA.... they are replacing the old subsonic Bear with new subsonic stealthy PAK DA, but are continuing to make supersonic Tu-160.

    So step one defeat the threat, and then step two incorporate the threat to your own forces capabilities to enhance your performance against an enemy that has done nothing to detect stealthy targets because they are attack oriented.

    Note with hypersonic missiles the Russians are already testing S-300 and S-350 and S-400 and now S-500 air defence systems with hypersonic manouvering targets... so they will likely not only have hypersonic manouvering targets in service first (well that was decades ago with Iskander, but now air launched Kinzhal too, but soon scramjet powered Zircon will be the real deal), but will likely have effective defences against them too.

    The west in comparison has stealth, but no way of defeating stealth threats themselves yet... less capable than the Russians...

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    Post  Sujoy Sat Jan 16, 2021 8:36 am

    GarryB wrote:Why do you think a high flying missile could not detect targets from enormous altitudes and allocate a missile to each target detected on the way and in the target zone?
    I shared my analysis with you, since you disagreed please do explain.

    GarryB wrote: A hypersonic missile won't be expecting data transmissions from the enemy target area to tell it where its target is...
    Why wouldn't a hypersonic missile expect data transmission from the enemy target?  The target might well be a moving target and it might change its position.

    IIRC, most of the missiles fired by the S-400 are hypersonic. Aren't they receiving data transmissions from the enemy target ?

    GarryB wrote:So step one defeat the threat, and then step two incorporate the threat to your own forces capabilities to enhance your performance against an enemy that has done nothing to detect stealthy targets because they are attack oriented.
    Stealth aircraft can be detected by low frequency radars. Occasionally by the odd satellite as well. In fact several Russian VHF radars were marketed as anti stealth radars.

    Despite this the Russian Air Force continues to procure stealth aircraft. Hardly makes any sense.

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    Post  Azi Sat Jan 16, 2021 4:37 pm

    Sujoy wrote:
    Despite this the Russian Air Force continues to procure stealth aircraft. Hardly makes any sense.
    Why? It makes perfect sense!

    Russia began early to counter stealth technology. From their perspective stealth was no game changer.

    USA rely heavy on stealth technology and now western partners with the F-35. But on the other hand they have no ability to counter stealth! Most western radars work in high frequencies and only a few OTH radars work with longer waves.

    Russia is able counter stealth and on the other side would have the edge in using stealth aircraft against european countries. An update of Western radar technology consumes a lot of money and time (10-20 years from now on).

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    Post  GarryB Sun Jan 17, 2021 3:04 am

    I shared my analysis with you, since you disagreed please do explain.

    The advantage of occupying the high ground has been known for thousands of years... that is why satellites were so useful and a hypersonic missile flying above the effective altitude of most SAM systems operating around the world is a huge advantage on its own, but with an unpredictable trajectory and very high speeds makes them very very difficult targets.

    Flying high means even very distant targets are not hidden below the horizon for a very high flying weapon.

    Why wouldn't a hypersonic missile expect data transmission from the enemy target?

    Why would a target send its own position information to a missile coming to destroy it?

    The missile might use its own sensors to detect where the enemy forces are located and modify its flight path to compensate for any movement since the target was originally defined to the missile before it was launched, but it is not going to listen to enemy information, which is obviously going to try to deceive it as to where the juicy targets are.

    The target might well be a moving target and it might change its position.

    Moving targets are easier to see from the air.

    IIRC, most of the missiles fired by the S-400 are hypersonic. Aren't they receiving data transmissions from the enemy target ?

    Most are active radar homing and therefore receive radar reflections from the targets but those signals originate and are controlled by the missile itself... it wont expect the target to emit anything at all.

    Stealth aircraft can be detected by low frequency radars.

    They certainly can, but not by just any old low frequency radar... why do you think Russia has spent large amounts of money creating digital AESA long wave radar antennas that didn't previously exist? Take a radar from WWII and it will be a long wave radar too no doubt but that does not mean it will detect and track modern stealthy aircraft...

    In fact several Russian VHF radars were marketed as anti stealth radars.

    They are... and a lot of work went in to making them suitable for tracking stealthy targets...

    The west has not bothered to develop anti stealth radar because Russia didn't have any stealth aircraft, so most western defence systems can't deal with stealthy targets at all.

    We have heard the stories about US fighter planes going up against F-22s and not being able to get locks even though it is within visual range... western fighters are not designed to fight stealthy fighters.

    Stealth is like camouflage... you can wear bright orange uniforms... a MiG-29 from the 1980s for instance, or you can wear a camouflage uniform... a modern MiG-29 with no gaps in the panels and reshaped parts to reduce signature, or you can wear a ghillie suit like a sniper... Su-57 and LMFS... the difference between the US and Russia is that the US wants all their troops to wear ghillie suits but that limits the amount of equipment they can carry, and gets caught on things and has lots of problems. Russia just wants a few hundred Snipers in Ghillie suits with the rest of the force in body armour and more heavily armed.

    Thermal imagers means Ghillie suits are not as effective as they used to be.


    Despite this the Russian Air Force continues to procure stealth aircraft. Hardly makes any sense.

    They are buying stealth killers... fighters... essentially long range snipers to kill enemy snipers and fighters at max range before they can do damage, and they are buying stealth cruise missile carriers that fire weapons 5,000km or more away from their targets to make them harder to see and deal with...

    They are not making their entire fleet all stealth like the US was trying to do till they realised how expensive and flawed that would be because there are a lot of problems with stealth.

    Carrying your weapons inside your aircraft limits how many weapons you can carry and remain stealthy, carrying weapons externally means you are not stealthy even after external weapons have been launched because of the pylons... you might as well use a faster longer ranged non stealthy aircraft with external weapons and more weapons... which, with the F-15EX is what the US is now doing and with the MiG-35 and Su-35 and MiG-41 Russia was doing all along.

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    Post  LMFS Tue Jan 19, 2021 12:37 pm

    Modernization of production of the fifth-generation su-57 fighter will be completed by 2024

    The plant is systematically equipping the Assembly and Assembly shops with additional stands and Assembly equipment, including unique rotary slipways.

    Modernization of the Komsomolsk-on-Amur aircraft factory (Knaaz), which produces fifth-generation su-57 fighters, will be completed by 2024, said the company's Director Alexander Pekarsh.

    "Under the program of re-equipment for the fifth-generation aircraft, all planned facilities should be put into operation by 2024, "he said in an interview with the factory newspaper Krylia Sovetov.

    We are talking about equipping aggregate Assembly shops with additional stands and equipment for Assembly, including unique rotary slipways designed specifically for the construction of the su-57, explained Pekarsh.

    "As part of the implementation of the state contract for the production of su-57 aircraft until 2028, serial production is being deployed in The knaaz workshops. Starting in 2021, it is planned to increase the pace of construction of fifth-generation cruise vehicles, " he added.

    https://tvzvezda.ru/news/opk/content/20211191415-cEppW.html

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    Post  Gomig-21 Wed Jan 20, 2021 2:58 am

    LMFS wrote:Modernization of production of the fifth-generation su-57 fighter will be completed by 2024

    The plant is systematically equipping the Assembly and Assembly shops with additional stands and Assembly equipment, including unique rotary slipways.

    Modernization of the Komsomolsk-on-Amur aircraft factory (Knaaz), which produces fifth-generation su-57 fighters, will be completed by 2024, said the company's Director Alexander Pekarsh.

       "Under the program of re-equipment for the fifth-generation aircraft, all planned facilities should be put into operation by 2024, "he said in an interview with the factory newspaper Krylia Sovetov.

    We are talking about equipping aggregate Assembly shops with additional stands and equipment for Assembly, including unique rotary slipways designed specifically for the construction of the su-57, explained Pekarsh.

       "As part of the implementation of the state contract for the production of su-57 aircraft until 2028, serial production is being deployed in The knaaz workshops. Starting in 2021, it is planned to increase the pace of construction of fifth-generation cruise vehicles, " he added.

    https://tvzvezda.ru/news/opk/content/20211191415-cEppW.html

    Have they stated how many aircraft they plan on assembling just for the VVS? And how many will they be producing per month/year?

    I think this aircraft is going to get a lot of foreign interest, and Sukhoi is going to have its hands full between pumping out jets for the RuAF and for whatever outside orders it accepts.

    Fascinating to see if China will request it and if Russia would even entertain that? Or was that last order of Su-35s the last we're going to see of China buying any Russian aircraft? Some interesting thoughts to entertain as we wait for the first serial production Su-57.
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    Post  LMFS Wed Jan 20, 2021 10:48 am

    Gomig-21 wrote:Have they stated how many aircraft they plan on assembling just for the VVS?  And how many will they be producing per month/year?

    I think this aircraft is going to get a lot of foreign interest, and Sukhoi is going to have its hands full between pumping out jets for the RuAF and for whatever outside orders it accepts.

    Fascinating to see if China will request it and if Russia would even entertain that? Or was that last order of Su-35s the last we're going to see of China buying any Russian aircraft?  Some interesting thoughts to entertain as we wait for the first serial production Su-57.  

    76 are under contract and recently they said they would buy more, as it was clear in advance. This year it should be 4, next 4 again, then 7 then 12 per year, that is what we saw in a table visible during a MoD visit to KnAAZ. By 2022 the second stage should be ready for tests, those should be finished in 2024, as well as the modernization of the production line.

    As to China, they have their 5G fighter already, I don't know if it makes any sense for Russia to sell of for China to buy.

    BTW, the first serial production unit has already been delivered to GLITs...

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    Post  Tai Hai Chen Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:27 pm

    Gomig-21 wrote:
    LMFS wrote:Modernization of production of the fifth-generation su-57 fighter will be completed by 2024

    The plant is systematically equipping the Assembly and Assembly shops with additional stands and Assembly equipment, including unique rotary slipways.

    Modernization of the Komsomolsk-on-Amur aircraft factory (Knaaz), which produces fifth-generation su-57 fighters, will be completed by 2024, said the company's Director Alexander Pekarsh.

       "Under the program of re-equipment for the fifth-generation aircraft, all planned facilities should be put into operation by 2024, "he said in an interview with the factory newspaper Krylia Sovetov.

    We are talking about equipping aggregate Assembly shops with additional stands and equipment for Assembly, including unique rotary slipways designed specifically for the construction of the su-57, explained Pekarsh.

       "As part of the implementation of the state contract for the production of su-57 aircraft until 2028, serial production is being deployed in The knaaz workshops. Starting in 2021, it is planned to increase the pace of construction of fifth-generation cruise vehicles, " he added.

    https://tvzvezda.ru/news/opk/content/20211191415-cEppW.html

    Have they stated how many aircraft they plan on assembling just for the VVS?  And how many will they be producing per month/year?

    I think this aircraft is going to get a lot of foreign interest, and Sukhoi is going to have its hands full between pumping out jets for the RuAF and for whatever outside orders it accepts.

    Fascinating to see if China will request it and if Russia would even entertain that? Or was that last order of Su-35s the last we're going to see of China buying any Russian aircraft?  Some interesting thoughts to entertain as we wait for the first serial production Su-57.  

    China will undoubtedly support the Russian defense industry. China bought Su-35 even after US imposed CAATSA on China. China will undoubtedly buy Su-57. Russia is important to China as a bulwark against the growing Japanese menace. With Russia and Japan feuding over the southern Kurils China can maintain a long time partner against the growing Japanese menace.
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    Post  thegopnik Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:07 pm

    China buying Su-57s will be fucking hilarious in more ways than one. Let's just say there are features their 5th gens share with the F-35 as fan boys highly criticize the su-57 for not having thus shutting up their overexaggerations of stealth as nothing more than miniscule values that dont amount to anything when comparing stealth between 5th gen aircrafts. The 3 things I look the most forward to for the aircraft is 1. The aircraft possibly getting Rofar. 2. Testing a internally hypersonic air to ground missile. 3. China setting up a contract for a Su-57 order.
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    Post  Tai Hai Chen Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:18 pm

    thegopnik wrote:China buying Su-57s will be fucking hilarious in more ways than one. Let's just say there are features their 5th gens share with the F-35 as fan boys highly criticize the su-57 for not having thus shutting up their overexaggerations of stealth as nothing more than miniscule values that dont amount to anything when comparing stealth between 5th gen aircrafts. The 3 things I look the most forward to for the aircraft is 1. The aircraft possibly getting Rofar. 2. Testing a internally hypersonic air to ground missile. 3. China setting up a contract for a Su-57 order.

    Su-57 may not be on par with J-20 which has F-35 style EOTS under nose. Nevertheless, China will order dozens of Su-57 to not only prop up Russia against Japan at Kurils but also acquire more planes for CAP at South China Sea. South China Sea they only have to deal with Vietnam, Australia, Indonesia so Su-35 and Su-57 are more than enough for that.
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    Post  Backman Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:57 pm

    China already had nearly 500 Flankers and they still bought su 35's. The fanboys said that wasn't supposed to happen. But the fanboys don't run the country.

    The Russians are offering it. The Chinese airforce would be more dynamic with it than without. They could copy it if they like it. They can figure it out and train against in case India finally wises up and acquires it.

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    Post  Tai Hai Chen Wed Jan 20, 2021 6:02 pm

    Backman wrote:China already had nearly 500 Flankers and they still bought su 35's. The fanboys said that wasn't supposed to happen. But the fanboys don't run the country.

    The Russians are offering it. The Chinese airforce would be more dynamic with it than without. They could copy it if they like it. They can figure it out and train against in case India finally wises up and acquires it.


    Su-35 is superior to anything India has. India refused to buy Su-35 to snub Russia due to Russia's friendliness with Pakistan.

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    Post  TMA1 Wed Jan 20, 2021 10:12 pm

    Tai Hai Chen wrote:
    thegopnik wrote:China buying Su-57s will be fucking hilarious in more ways than one. Let's just say there are features their 5th gens share with the F-35 as fan boys highly criticize the su-57 for not having thus shutting up their overexaggerations of stealth as nothing more than miniscule values that dont amount to anything when comparing stealth between 5th gen aircrafts. The 3 things I look the most forward to for the aircraft is 1. The aircraft possibly getting Rofar. 2. Testing a internally hypersonic air to ground missile. 3. China setting up a contract for a Su-57 order.

    Su-57 may not be on par with J-20 which has F-35 style EOTS under nose. Nevertheless, China will order dozens of Su-57 to not only prop up Russia against Japan at Kurils but also acquire more planes for CAP at South China Sea. South China Sea they only have to deal with Vietnam, Australia, Indonesia so Su-35 and Su-57 are more than enough for that.

    I think you underestimate the su-57. it is based on a totally different dynamic than western style fighters. China seemed to follow the path of western fifth gen development. the J-20 looks to be a very good fighter but it also seems to have different roles from the su-57. having both would actually be complimentary.
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    Post  Isos Wed Jan 20, 2021 10:53 pm

    I think you underestimate the su-57. it is based on a totally different dynamic than western style fighters. China seemed to follow the path of western fifth gen development. the J-20 looks to be a very good fighter but it also seems to have different roles from the su-57. having both would actually be complimentary.

    1) He is a chinese troll.

    2) j-20 doesn't look to be a very good fighter but a long range bomber.

    3) Chinese aren't interested by russian fighters but by copying them.

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    Post  TMA1 Thu Jan 21, 2021 4:12 am

    Isos wrote:
    I think you underestimate the su-57. it is based on a totally different dynamic than western style fighters. China seemed to follow the path of western fifth gen development. the J-20 looks to be a very good fighter but it also seems to have different roles from the su-57. having both would actually be complimentary.

    1) He is a chinese troll.

    2) j-20 doesn't look to be a very good fighter but a long range bomber.

    3) Chinese aren't interested by russian fighters but by copying them.


    he seems like he has been less obnoxious lately so im giving the guy a chance. im no fan of communist china. yeah i think the su-57 is superior, and am amazed by how it stands out from all other fifth gen fighters in design philosophy. everyone else essentially copied the western design styles. j-20 is a good plane. though i am dubious about the radar bein better than the russians. 6 years ago the chinese asked for cooperation in making a radar for the j-20. so i find it strange. not even mentioning the engines. still though it is a deadly fighter. it's design screams interceptor and maybe naval strike to me.

    I am torn about the idea of Russians selling the su-57 to China. in one way it would be good for Russia (and China). in another way if China ever becomes belligerent with Russia then communist China would have so much data on their best fighter. also yeah I fear China will buy only a couple dozen fighters and then copy certain parts. I think you are right on this, Isos.
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    Post  thegopnik Thu Jan 21, 2021 4:55 am

    TMA1 wrote:
    Isos wrote:
    I think you underestimate the su-57. it is based on a totally different dynamic than western style fighters. China seemed to follow the path of western fifth gen development. the J-20 looks to be a very good fighter but it also seems to have different roles from the su-57. having both would actually be complimentary.

    1) He is a chinese troll.

    2) j-20 doesn't look to be a very good fighter but a long range bomber.

    3) Chinese aren't interested by russian fighters but by copying them.


    he seems like he has been less obnoxious lately so im giving the guy a chance. im no fan of communist china. yeah i think the su-57 is superior, and am amazed by how it stands out from all other fifth gen fighters in design philosophy. everyone else essentially copied the western design styles. j-20 is a good plane. though i am dubious about the radar bein better than the russians. 6 years ago the chinese asked for cooperation in making a radar for the j-20. so i find it strange. not even mentioning the engines. still though it is a deadly fighter. it's design screams interceptor and maybe naval strike to me.

    I am torn about the idea of Russians selling the su-57 to China. in one way it would be good for Russia (and China). in another way if China ever becomes belligerent with Russia then communist China would have so much data on their best fighter. also yeah I fear China will buy only a couple dozen fighters and then copy certain parts. I think you are right on this, Isos.

    As the saying goes you can boil an egg but not unboil a boiled egg. Tech transfer request was the reason Russia turned down india. Its not like Russia is fucked selling Turkey S-400s.
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    Post  TMA1 Thu Jan 21, 2021 5:12 am

    thegopnik wrote:
    TMA1 wrote:
    Isos wrote:
    I think you underestimate the su-57. it is based on a totally different dynamic than western style fighters. China seemed to follow the path of western fifth gen development. the J-20 looks to be a very good fighter but it also seems to have different roles from the su-57. having both would actually be complimentary.

    1) He is a chinese troll.

    2) j-20 doesn't look to be a very good fighter but a long range bomber.

    3) Chinese aren't interested by russian fighters but by copying them.


    he seems like he has been less obnoxious lately so im giving the guy a chance. im no fan of communist china. yeah i think the su-57 is superior, and am amazed by how it stands out from all other fifth gen fighters in design philosophy. everyone else essentially copied the western design styles. j-20 is a good plane. though i am dubious about the radar bein better than the russians. 6 years ago the chinese asked for cooperation in making a radar for the j-20. so i find it strange. not even mentioning the engines. still though it is a deadly fighter. it's design screams interceptor and maybe naval strike to me.

    I am torn about the idea of Russians selling the su-57 to China. in one way it would be good for Russia (and China). in another way if China ever becomes belligerent with Russia then communist China would have so much data on their best fighter. also yeah I fear China will buy only a couple dozen fighters and then copy certain parts. I think you are right on this, Isos.

    As the saying goes you can boil an egg but not unboil a boiled egg. Tech transfer request was the reason Russia turned down india. Its not like Russia is fucked selling Turkey S-400s.

    so you think Russia would be alright selling the equipment? the Chinese might use the product 30 engines to solve problems on their ws-15. I just worry because communist China is growing and have no loyalty to Russians.
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    Post  thegopnik Thu Jan 21, 2021 5:21 am

    The export Su-57s for all we know can be 1st stage only. Neutral
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    Post  GarryB Thu Jan 21, 2021 6:36 am

    I am guessing China will want to buy the Su-57s with the new engine and they might want to buy two... with 200 spare engines perhaps...

    India didn't buy Su-35s because they wanted a two seat aircraft, so they bought the Su-30 and modded it to their own purposes and needs.

    Russia has sold Pakistan a few Hinds and Hips and some armoured vehicles and stuff... nothing very major... certainly nothing like the stuff they sell India.

    The Russians have an export S-400 and an export Su-57... it would make no sense for them not to sell them, but obviously they are not obliged to give away any actual secret tech.

    When they sold Kh-31s to the US for a naval competition for target missiles they delivered a rather old model that met the criteria and won the competition.

    At the time they had Moskit and Onyx and Granit and Vulcan.

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    Post  marcellogo Thu Jan 21, 2021 1:49 pm

    Isos wrote:

    1) He is a chinese troll.

    2) j-20 doesn't look to be a very good fighter but a long range bomber.

    3) Chinese aren't interested by russian fighters but by copying them.

    1)Maybe he is but you are falling down at same level.

    2)This infact is a gratuitous affirmation, just to fan flames. J-20 is a delta canard, so if it is a long range bomber all Eurocanards are short range ones...

    3)This could also be, so let's offer them a licensed production of them or otherwise limit Su-57 export only to baseline model. Problem solved.

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    Post  George1 Thu Jan 21, 2021 2:00 pm

    The first serial Su-57 was transferred to the aviation regiment of the Southern Military District
    Today, 12: 03

    The first serial fighter of the fifth generation, the Su-57, was transferred to the aviation regiment of the Southern Military District. This is stated in the message of the government of the Khabarovsk Territory.

    According to the report, the first Su-57 has already entered one of the aviation parts of the southern military district, which is not specifically mentioned. At the end of December last year, it was unofficially reported (citing sources) that the aircraft had arrived at the State Flight Test Center (GLITs) in Akhtubinsk for testing, after which it would be transferred to the combat unit.

    The message also says that the Komsomolsk-on-Amur Aviation Plant will transfer four more serial Su-2021s to the Russian Aerospace Forces in 57.

    Five multifunctional fighters of the fifth generation Su-57 will be handed over by the Komsomolsk-on-Amur Aviation Plant (KnAAZ) to the Russian Armed Forces this year. The first plane has already entered one of the aviation regiments of the Southern Military District

    - stated at the enterprise.

    Note that the first serial Su-57 is de facto the second aircraft from the pilot batch for two fighters. The first Su-57 crashed on December 24, 2019 during a test flight.

    At the collegium of the military department, Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said that the Russian Aerospace Forces will receive 22 fifth-generation Su-57 fighters by the end of 2024. In total, by 2027, the Ministry of Defense will receive 76 aircraft, which are manufactured by KnAAZ under a contract signed in 2019.

    https://en.topwar.ru/179230-pervyj-serijnyj-su-57-peredali-v-aviapolk-juzhnogo-voennogo-okruga.html

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    Post  ult Thu Jan 21, 2021 2:02 pm

    This year they plan to deliver 5 Su-57. I assume one of them will replace the one that crashed during tests.

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    Post  LMFS Sat Jan 23, 2021 12:12 pm

    ult wrote:This year they plan to deliver 5 Su-57. I assume one of them will replace the one that crashed during tests.

    It has been already replaced, that was the 01 we saw last year. So no change compared to the plans we already knew.

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