so many Putin's apologers continue repeating the same mistakes over and over ,shows their total ignorance on the real issues about the conflict . You really think that
Putin or Russia give a shit about where the lines are drawn in nagorno karabah , that if the president of armenia was a blowjober loyal puppet of putin ,that armenia will be helped? no.. absolutely no.
From the very start of the war in nagorno karabah.. putin have been looking to the sides whenever
armenia is attacked by Azerbaikan ballistic missiles and drones.. why do you think israel is providing
Azerbaijan so many advanced attack drones to destroy russian airdefenses and kill armenians?
you really think that netanyahu cares any shit about who owns what territory in nagorno karabah ?
why you think erdogan is involved in this conflict giving so many drones to azerbaijan? you think erdogan cares about nagorno ? no.. even the drones Turkey are technology made by them. they are all 99% american/european technology.. you really think that europe or nato could not stop this war if they wanted it? without firing a single bullet? economic sanctions of US and europe could very easily stop the war ,if they target azerbaijan banks and turkey banks ,(the venezuelan way) and they could effectively block turkey and azerbaijan gps navigation too.. and their satellites ,so they are blind.. but they in secret helps azerbaijan to destroy armenia , not only nagorno but armenia too..
So this conflict ,from the point of view of turkey ,the nagorno karabah is secondary ,is not a mountainous zone what they want.. this conflict is not about armenian president ,
this is a WAR AGAINST RUSSIA nothing more and nothing else.. why would erdogan want to create
an ottoman empire again? to fight against NATO? to fight against europe? no..
So from the point of view of Russia military..
they could give a shit about any defense treaty or international laws , remember they captured crimea ,and all they need to justify that was to protect the lives of people who saw themselves
as russians.. So you and about 99% of the people in this forum defended putin are wrong.
The armenian conflict.. is in reality a WAR AGAINST RUSSIA
so the more you can medidate
about that the more you will get it.. is Russia the real objective of turkey and azerbaijan.. to undermine Russia influence in the zone by creating an empire..and NATO and israel are involved
in this conflict. (just like they are in syria and ukraine too). all this wars.. are wars designed ,masterminded to break Russia.. this is a new afghan vs soviet war.. a war that the cia planned and
masterminded to undermine russia.. they want to provoke a russia invasion and give them a long and
expensive war.. but this new war in Armenia is much worse now.. is about killing Russia , turkey ,nato and israel are seeking to destabilize all the caucasus and all central asia.. and fight russian army to the last blood of turkey and terrorist soldiers..
So why Russia can't ignore armenian conflict. can't just say.. oh well Pashinyan's is a soros bot ,so let allow millions of armenians to become refugees ? really ? Russia is facing war dude..
wake up for once in your life.. erdogan and israel aims is the destruction of russia.. muslim and jews have been historical enemies of russia.. jews were not allowed to own territories in moscow.. by catherine the great.. and muslim were always rebelling with guns , against moscow.. so all this wars..
ottoman wars.. continues to this date.. and in the past it was british empire and france ,that joined forces with turkey to fight russia.. today is US and uk and israel.. the ones helping muslims to fight
russia.. all this attacks on s-300s and provocations on russian base.. have been going almost daily
in armenia.. and putin looking to the sides.. and what happens when you ignore a bully? you encourage him to increase the hostilities until you confront him.. and it will be a big mistake for
russia to allow any victory to turkey and azerbaijan in the zone.. because this will only help erdogan
in the creation of his second ottoman empire ,with nato weapons and logistic support.. turkey holly grail capture is not azerbaijan.. but kazakistan.. but this is just the first step of erdogan towards total destruction of russia..
this means that Russia is facing a war from US ,Turkey and israel ,that they can't avoid , the only
thing putin can do is choose when they fight the war .. and how they will fight it.. but if we remember what happened in world war 2.. that russia allowed hitler to grow in power and continue expanding and creating military alliance to undermine russia. eventually there will be no more alliance to make and russia if do nothing as people like you wants.. will had to fight turkey as an major muslim alliance of many nations including kazakistan ,turkmenistan.. all the "stan" nations
is what erdogan and nato and israel wants.. to achieve.. but before they can create that empire ,they need to first humiliate russia ,exactly what they are doing now..shooting down their helicopters and destroying all their air defenses..and prepare for a major war with russia once they capture all muslim nations from caucasus to kazakistan.. and potentially a turkey armed with pakistan nukes..
so whats the solution of the conflict.. ?
i will have proposed that the one that need to resign is putin and not pashinyan .. because he is
totally completely irrelevant in this war.. it will have happened with any other leader.. with
Serzh Sargsyan ,the previous leader of armenia ,they do started the war ..and putin did nothing to
help them..all he did is create a totally pointless cease of fire and delay the conflict.. so stop with the
pashinyan bashing.. he is totally irrelevant ,he plays no role in this war.. is war against russia.. just like syria and ukraine those are also wars against russia.. the only difference between nato-israel-turkey interference in ukraine ,syria ,lybia and nagorno to undermine Russia interest and security
is that in each one of those conflicts there was secondary bonuses for them..
in ukraine you create a barrier for russia to block their pipelines, in syria israel also have major interest with destroying iran influence in the zone.. and now in nagorno karabah is the potentially
most dangerous war for russia ,to ignore.. because here is no less than turkey and nato to undermine Russia by instigating a religious muslim war against orthodox russia.. and erdogan and nato aims to deploy major military bases in southern russian borders..
so it looks putin is playing the politeness card..
and trying to hold a cease of fire that will not be obeyed and will cost russia as many lives as in syria.
this is what the tink tank RAND corp ,that works for pentagon told.. they advided nato to provoke conflicts all over russian borders.. to destabilize it all ,to imbalance russia and this will drain their economy by overextending their military. this is what they want..
1)syria .. keep russia army busy ..check
4)nagorno karabah.. check.
which new conflicts NATO can trigger to drain the life of russia in wars?
-Venezuela , in progress.
- transnistria in progress.
-belarus .. in progress..
so Russia is facing war.. in nagorno karabah.. russia is the real objective of erdogan and nato and israel. to humiliate and exhaust their military there and provoke a civil war in russia when so many
soldiers keep dying.. and putin's knows this..
what the fool don't know.. is that is putin the only one to blame for all this conflicts..
because he could have avoided all of them , if he retreated from any alliance with them..
by putin making defence pacts with half of the world.. specially in zones hard to defend ,
in so many countries.. he tie the hands of russia ,he do it , by offering them security and protection.
armenia will not be at war today if it was allied to nato.. turkey ,neither azerbaijan will have dare to attack armenia if they were part of nato.. neither syria will have been attacked.. had they were neutral country and had an alliance with nato or at least similar foreign policy of jordan..
That said.. putin is the biggest threat to the national security of russia.. the moron is the one that needs to resign.. any good leader ,who understand the basics of war ,and politics.. in the very first day ,in power.. in the year 2000.. he should have evaluated what are russia limitations and reach the conclusion that russia is not the soviet union anymore and that it can't continue being the body guard of the world..and instead of creating allies .. what russia needs to do is develop his fucking nation
,develop its economy.. modernize russia economy and become a business leader and fight the west with business and not with weapons ,and stop praising his stupid useless weapons ,not only because makes putin to look insecure person ,but that are totally useless since they are never used to fight anyone who targets russian military. so honestly ,i was the first one to picture a dark future for russia under putin leadership .. is sad ,because he is patriotic and he wants to do good things ..but he is incredibly moron and stupid.. and don't understand how to fight his enemeis ,his lack of vision for russia development (a gas station with an outdated culture) is what helps the americans to dominate
with influence so much in the world.. they lead the world in development and russia complains about the western unilateral system but he does nothing to counter it or create an alternative.
if russia was a super modern business power ,and leader in world development, they will have never lost ukraine.. and all asia will be loyal to russia.. because nations always love to follow those more
successful nations that lead in the world.. War of influence ,this is what happening in the middle east and in armenia.. and putin the only thing he had to influence is its military and their weapons and even that is being humiliated in armenia.. they shot down an helicopter that was far away from the border with nagorno and was patroling the rear flank of armenia borders . so make no mistake
it was not an accident ,it was an act of war a provocation and putin/lavrov weak response is dangerous for the live of its military ,because if more and more helicopters shot down ,this will provoke resigns of their military and he risk even a coup for total incompetence and for the image he project in the world of insecure mediocre ,weak leader.
Russia really outplayed itself here. Grandmaster Putin and so on. Never knew it was possible to checkmate yourself in chess with your own pieces, but apparently it is.
putin is killing russia from the inside with his shortsighted foreign policy..
he force russia into syrian like scenario all the time to defend nations that are very hard
if not impossible for russia to defend.. what is putin going to do when nato provokes a new war in
moldova vs transnistria? mark my works.. transnistria war will be even more humiliating for russia to defend.. is land locked and will have to invade ukraine airspace to help their soldiers there.. if putin had any clue what he is doing ,he will have realized all this "alliances" are bad for russia.. give nothing to russia and later he have to finance them and feed them.. those countries suffering from nato /israel /turk wars. are attacked only because of their alliance with russia.