Of course radio bullshit Europe will blame Russia for their own downfall.
Lol
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miketheterrible wrote:Oh this is glorious.
Of course radio bullshit Europe will blame Russia for their own downfall.
Lol
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PapaDragon wrote:
It will be morning soon and entire Armenia will wake up and hear the good news
Once they are done cannibalizing each other they should remember that Russia just saved them from capitulation and bought them 5 years of (unearned) peace and protection which they should use to get their heads out of their asses, start buying lots of Russian weapons (real ones) and get ready for what comes next because Azeris will not be satisfied for too long considering that they were on the path to total victory before Russia stepped in
And above all this time they should definitely NOT be a pain in the ass to one sole nation that happens to still give a shit about what happens to Armenians and that can save their carcasses
Or they can just redo the whole "Fuck Russia, we love EU!!!!" thing and get slaughtered, either option works for Russia
PapaDragon wrote:
Been looking around and apparently the war stopped dead the moment that Russian Mi-24 was shot down, looks like Azeris didn't want to redo the whole Turkish experience (fact that they profited big time already helped decision a little and Russian heavy bombers getting scrambled over Caspian helped a lot)
Also peace deal gets automatically extended after 5 years unless one side notifies about intent to pull out 6 months in advance
Local economy and transport will be supervised by FSB
All in all Armenians got lucky, let's see if they will get smart as well
The Armenians probably have realized two things: a) the US cannot help them b) their public image in Russia is pretty bad. On this page: https://vz.ru/vote/result/1820/, Vzgliad, a popular and moderately patriotic website asked this question in a survey: “Which of the parties to the conflict over Nagorno-Karabakh is morally right in your eyes?“. The result? Armenia 33.06 and Azerbaijan 48.12. The arrogant and openly hostile attitude of the Armenians since 2018 has hurt them tremendously and they might be coming back to their senses. If Pashinian is removed, he did lose this war, after all, that would help a lot.
PapaDragon wrote:
Been looking around and apparently the war stopped dead the moment that Russian Mi-24 was shot down, looks like Azeris didn't want to redo the whole Turkish experience (fact that they profited big time already helped decision a little and Russian heavy bombers getting scrambled over Caspian helped a lot)
Also peace deal gets automatically extended after 5 years unless one side notifies about intent to pull out 6 months in advance
Local economy and transport will be supervised by FSB
All in all Armenians got lucky, let's see if they will get smart as well
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flamming_python wrote:
Na, the Mi-24 was apparently escorting the VDV on their way to NKR
So in other words the treaty had already been agreed upon by that time, if maybe not yet publicized
Regular wrote:Azeris are making fun out of Russian helicopter and saying they will bring down more of them online..
They celebrate their victory in Moscow and Petersburg streets..
How stupid absolutely retarded is this conflict? Russian peacekeepers should glass the whole region
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nomadski wrote:Good to hear the news of ceasefire. Did the deal come before Russian brigade started marching or after ? Well I heard no news of the deal , before marching started. Only after helicopter shot down and marching continued.
Still, this deal, regardless of it's merits, stops the fighting. The peacekeepers ( peacemakers), made sure of that. The avalanche stopped for now. Momentum ceased. But not before it buried Hadrut and Shushi. Something Armenians can not be happy about.
Still, good idea to give Azeri districts back. And I think Azeris should give Hadrut back. I think that Azeris only own 30% of Artsakh. The population of Azeris before wars there, was 30%. But I think now they hold more like 40 to 50 %.
Now that the chickens have arrived, they can lay the egg. And hatch the egg. Since the Armenians will sacrifice and eat the Pash chicken. So Russians in good position. They can run Artsakh as a protected Russian region.
As some have said, the Azeri and Turk backers, will probably continue with war, at future date. Because without war, Turks loose reason for being there. No chance of Automan empire. For this reason Armenians need to be ready.
This war showed the effectiveness of drones, in SEAD and anti/ armour and anti-personnel role. It is not surprising. Radar is becoming less important. Optics and passive detection more important. And although some blame can be attributed to operators of these AD systems. We need to recognise that if such systems need such a high degree of skill , under battle conditions. Then they need to be simplified or automated.
As well as effective AD, that Armenians can buy from Russia. I think Russia can help with alternative tech to fight the drone threat. I mentioned low RCS, hunter manned planes. EMP. Blinding laser against optics.Up armouring vehicles and bunkers, with anti- drone nets.................. Electronic triangulation of source signal and BM destruction........
Let's hope for sensible land swap........ Artsakh part of Armenia.
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Sending the VDV as a peacekeeping force is a bit... weird.
Thing about the VDV is - they can get to any place, real quick. Which I guess is what Russia is betting on.
Russia really outplayed itself here. Grandmaster Putin and so on. Never knew it was possible to checkmate yourself in chess with your own pieces, but apparently it is.
Since I am fair guy, I must point out what a moronic thing to say...
Armenia is already turning towards the West, Radio Free Europe in Armenia just got trashed and online liberals and commies are blaming Russia, it's all over folks
And above all this time they should definitely NOT be a pain in the ass to one sole nation that happens to still give a shit about what happens to Armenians and that can save their carcasses
Or they can just redo the whole "Fuck Russia, we love EU!!!!" thing and get slaughtered, either option works for Russia
SeigSoloyvov wrote:The deal is more good for Azeri then Armenia since it lets the Azeri's hold onto all areas it captured. Azerbaijan will be happy with this, they will just come for the rest at another time.
Isos wrote:Azerbaijan doesn't have only TB2. Thry also have israeli ELINT drones that can locate armenian SAM. Il 2 were also used to track those AD systems.
TB2 are then sebt at those locations.
Armenian AD is not dense. It's Osa working alone or by 2.
Thrir AD got anhilated. That's why they had to stop fighting. Azeri have total control of the airspace.
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Nemo wrote:Russia just won again. Prevented the collapse of Armenia, does not let the Azeris have a complete victory, ran with "Pussyani" and west friends of power and deploys troops in order to effectively block the advance of neo-ottomans for 5 years that are basically going to be forever.
In addition, Russia armed himself with diplomatic capital to start running with the Turks in northern Syria and to start putting pressure on the American military presence in the east. I think that soon we will see a major operation there.
SeigSoloyvov wrote:Nemo wrote:Russia just won again. Prevented the collapse of Armenia, does not let the Azeris have a complete victory, ran with "Pussyani" and west friends of power and deploys troops in order to effectively block the advance of neo-ottomans for 5 years that are basically going to be forever.
In addition, Russia armed himself with diplomatic capital to start running with the Turks in northern Syria and to start putting pressure on the American military presence in the east. I think that soon we will see a major operation there.
The collapse of Armenia? Azeri wasn't going to invade Armenia....
Azeri still got a major win and they will be back for the rest. Azeri is the winner in this war.
Five years isn't forever, Azeri will build up and get ready in those five years.
Azeri got past the mountains, this was the main problem holding them up on stage two of the offensive, they will not have to deal with them thus their advance will be far more devastating.
SeigSoloyvov wrote:Nemo wrote:Russia just won again. Prevented the collapse of Armenia, does not let the Azeris have a complete victory, ran with "Pussyani" and west friends of power and deploys troops in order to effectively block the advance of neo-ottomans for 5 years that are basically going to be forever.
In addition, Russia armed himself with diplomatic capital to start running with the Turks in northern Syria and to start putting pressure on the American military presence in the east. I think that soon we will see a major operation there.
The collapse of Armenia? Azeri wasn't going to invade Armenia....
Azeri still got a major win and they will be back for the rest. Azeri is the winner in this war.
Five years isn't forever, Azeri will build up and get ready in those five years.
Azeri got past the mountains, this was the main problem holding them up on stage two of the offensive, they will not have to deal with them thus their advance will be far more devastating.
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@ Vann7
Drones are mostly useful against weak opponents. Not peer opponents. If Armenia had invested minimal amounts, in drone protection, it would not be big problem. The entire system can be disabled by a couple of BM strikes. Or by counter strike by drone or plane. The Armenian defence was weak. Drones are no magic bullet. But agree that diversification is needed.
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