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    Post  Isos Tue Nov 10, 2020 12:00 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Isos wrote:Babak Taghvaee - Μπάπακ Τακβαίε - بابک تقوایی (B)
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    According to local sources,#Russia Air Force 3624th AvB in #Erebuni, #Yerevan has started preparing its personnel including MiG-29, Mi-8MT and Mi-24P pilots for possible war with #Azerbaijan. This downed Mi-24P was involved in one of these missions

    Bull

    Shit


    Maybe. Maybe not. Let's wait and see.
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    Post  kvs Tue Nov 10, 2020 12:02 am

    Tai Hai Chen wrote:Armenia is definitely joining NATO. There were multiple cases Azerbaijan shelled Armenia proper and Russia did nothing, turning a blind eye and ignoring treaty obligations. Just as Putin handed northern Syria to Erdogan, Putin handed Karabakh to Erdogan. Shame.

    Armenia already de facto joined NATzO in 2018. Russia does not exist to wipe the bums of losers.

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    Post  PapaDragon Tue Nov 10, 2020 12:03 am

    Isos wrote:Its fall has started...
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    Walking to Republic Square in Yerevan. Huge convoys of cars heading there. Reports of protestors breaking into government buildings

    Good job guys just like Iskander, totally not a day late and a dollar shirt

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    Post  Maximmmm Tue Nov 10, 2020 12:05 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Isos wrote:Its fall has started...
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    Walking to Republic Square in Yerevan. Huge convoys of cars heading there. Reports of protestors breaking into government buildings

    Good job guys just like Iskander, totally not a day late and a dollar shirt


    I mean god knows we all called it so long ago, you especially.
    Some lessons just have to be learned in person I guess.
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    Post  franco Tue Nov 10, 2020 12:07 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Isos wrote:Babak Taghvaee - Μπάπακ Τακβαίε - بابک تقوایی (B)
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    According to local sources,#Russia Air Force 3624th AvB in #Erebuni, #Yerevan has started preparing its personnel including MiG-29, Mi-8MT and Mi-24P pilots for possible war with #Azerbaijan. This downed Mi-24P was involved in one of these missions

    Bull

    Shit


    Apparently aircraft scrambled over the Caspian and the rumored Islander strike may have been Russian retaliation... And then a ceasefire.
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    Post  PapaDragon Tue Nov 10, 2020 12:09 am


    And another timely occurrence:

    https://twitter.com/IntelDoge/status/1325934365910687745?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1325934365910687745%7Ctwgr%5Eshare_3&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fs9e.github.io%2Fiframe%2F2%2Ftwitter.min.html1325934365910687745

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    , protesters in the govt building are calling on the commander of the Armed Forces to take over the government and remove Prime Minister Pashinyan.


    Monday morning quarterbacks all over Yerevan tonight, someone should tell them that the superbowl is over...  No

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    Post  magnumcromagnon Tue Nov 10, 2020 12:10 am

    Protests in front of Armenian Parliament
    https://twitter.com/Cyberspec1/status/1325938191224877057

    Crowd has entered the Government building
    https://twitter.com/Cyberspec1/status/1325938500261220352
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Tue Nov 10, 2020 12:16 am

    All 17 Armenian opposition parties have requested the resignation of PM Pashinyan and the creation of a National Unity govt with a war cabinet.
    Armenian opposition parties demand Pashinyan's resignation
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    Post  nero Tue Nov 10, 2020 12:19 am

    According to our data, Nikol Pashinyan is already in Sochi and arrived there on a Russian military plane.

    * t.me/reartsakh

    Everything really went downhill for the guy in the past few hours.

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    Post  kvs Tue Nov 10, 2020 12:24 am

    nero wrote:
    According to our data, Nikol Pashinyan is already in Sochi and arrived there on a Russian military plane.

    * t.me/reartsakh

    Everything really went downhill for the guy in the past few hours.

    I hope he is enjoying the taste of his own quisling shit. He will have to have been ready to savour the flavour of Uncle Swine-shit's
    rear end delicacy as a loyal Sorosite stooge.

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    Post  franco Tue Nov 10, 2020 12:25 am

    Details of the deal with Peacekeepers. No mention of Turkey troops.

    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1325924386701012998.html
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    Post  PapaDragon Tue Nov 10, 2020 12:27 am

    kvs wrote:...I hope he is enjoying the taste of his own quisling shit.   He will have to have been ready to savour the flavour of Uncle Swine-shit's rear end delicacy as a loyal Sorosite stooge.

    Russia should give him free passage to Brussels on a private jet with caviar and hookers

    That would really drive home the point for Armenians about ''EU values''

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    Post  magnumcromagnon Tue Nov 10, 2020 12:29 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    kvs wrote:...I hope he is enjoying the taste of his own quisling shit.   He will have to have been ready to savour the flavour of Uncle Swine-shit's rear end delicacy as a loyal Sorosite stooge.

    Russia should give him free passage to Brussels on a private jet with caviar and hookers

    That would really drive home the point for Armenians about ''EU values''


    I'd rather see him behind bars in Yerevan, if the Armenian side activates an arrest warrant the Russian side should transfer him.
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    Post  lyle6 Tue Nov 10, 2020 12:36 am


    Text of Putin, Aliyev and Pashinyan's statement on ending the war in Karabakh

    The text of the joint statement of the heads of Armenia, Azerbaijan and Russia on the cessation of hostilities in Nagorno-Karabakh was published by "Sputnik Armenia".

    "We, the President of the Republic of Azerbaijan I.G. Aliyev, the Prime Minister of the Republic of Armenia N.V. Pashinyan and the President of the Russian Federation V.V.". Putin, stated the following:

    A complete ceasefire and all hostilities in the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict zone are declared from 00:00 Moscow time on November 10, 2020. The Republic of Azerbaijan and the Republic of Armenia, hereinafter referred to as the Parties, shall stop at their positions.
    The Agdam district and the territories held by the Armenian Party in the Gazakh district of the Republic of Azerbaijan shall be returned to the Azerbaijani Party until November 20, 2020.
    A peacekeeping contingent of the Russian Federation shall be deployed along the line of contact in Nagorno Karabakh and along the Lachin corridor, consisting of 1960 servicemen with small arms, 90 armored personnel carriers, 380 vehicles and special equipment.
    The Russian peacekeeping contingent is being deployed in parallel with the withdrawal of the Armenian armed forces. The duration of the Russian peacekeeping contingent's stay is 5 years, with automatic extension for another 5-year period, unless either Party declares its intention to terminate this provision six months before the expiration of the period.
    With a view to increasing the efficiency of control over the implementation of the agreements by the Parties to the conflict, a peacekeeping ceasefire control center shall be deployed.
    The Republic of Armenia shall return the Kelbajar district to the Republic of Azerbaijan by November 15, 2020 and the Lachin district to the Republic of Azerbaijan by December 1, 2020, while retaining the Lachin corridor (5 km wide), which will provide Nagorno-Karabakh's communication with Armenia and will not affect the city of Shusha.
    By agreement of the Parties, a plan to build a new route along the Lachin corridor that will provide a link between Stepanakert and Armenia will be determined in the next three years, with the subsequent redeployment of a Russian peacekeeping contingent to guard the route.
    The Republic of Azerbaijan guarantees the safety of movement of citizens, vehicles and cargo in both directions along the Lachinsky Corridor.
    Internally displaced persons and refugees will return to Nagorno-Karabakh and the surrounding districts under the control of the Office of the UN High Commissioner for Refugees.
    POWs and other detained persons and bodies are exchanged.
    All economic and transport communications in the region are unblocked. The Republic of Armenia ensures transport communication between the western regions of the Republic of Azerbaijan and the Nakhchivan Autonomous Republic in order to organize unhindered movement of citizens, vehicles and cargo in both directions. The transport communication is controlled by the bodies of the Frontier Service of the FSB of Russia.

    By agreement of the Parties construction of new transport communications connecting Nakhchivan Autonomous Republic with western regions of Azerbaijan will be ensured".
    https://www.rbc.ru/politics/10/11/2020/5fa9c09c9a79471813bed754?from=from_main_2

    No mention of Turkey anywhere. Talks of Turkish Peacekeepers are just that, talk. Russian peacekeepers will keep the lid on the region.

    Leaves a rump Artsakh that's guaranteed purely with Russian security guarantees. Imposed corridor to Nakchivan still not clear, but this means Armenia's only border to the outside world that doesn't lead to genocidal maniacs in some way would be shared with the Azeris. Again, leaves them a lot more dependent on Russian security guarantees.

    Christ. The Russians made out like bandits here.

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    Post  nero Tue Nov 10, 2020 12:37 am

    Russian peacekeepers moving into Karabakh already.

    https://t.me/voenkorKotenok/23792
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    Post  JohninMK Tue Nov 10, 2020 12:42 am


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    #Armenia #Azerbajian Current situation in Nagorno-Karabakh conflict after peace deal was signed [9/11/2020]



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    Post  KoTeMoRe Tue Nov 10, 2020 12:44 am

    nero wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:This is untrue. The TB-2 did not attack the Tor in operational mode.

    It literally waited until it folded before targeting the shelter.
    In all it took 4 assets (maybe 5) to hit it.

    1. 1 Harop (at least 1)
    2. 2 TB-2  (overwatch and strike).
    3. 1 Fixed wing manned AC.
    4. 1 Strike AC (Su-25).

    As for Pantsir...Jeez it was open season for TB’s before the Turks had to bring a battalion worth of assets and 3 frigates to actually start hitting them. 8 Pantsir were destroyed (4 in non active mode) vs 22 TB-2 proven in Libya.


    And it was just a coincidence that, when the TB2's started dropping, several Mig-29's were seen in Libyan skies. I am sure Smile

    The Azerbaijani's have just won the war. A ceasefire agreement was reached by Moscow, Yerevan and Baku. It likely relates to keeping the current situation as is. Shushi in Azeri hands and Stepanakert a stone's throw away if Baku decides to reignite the conflict with most of southern NK in Azeri hands.

    You are suffering from dementia.

    Migs came in at Jufra end of May after the Pantsir stalking épisode when 6 Pantsir were destroyed in all kind of circumstances including an AShM strike on a hardened shelter in Watiyah.

    Up to that episode. 17 TB’s were confirmed down in Libya and 3 (at least) in Syria. For 3 Pantsirs.

    I will spare you the humiliation of posting the actual data. Migs were not seen in action until the 22nd TB-2 was down.
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    Post  PapaDragon Tue Nov 10, 2020 12:46 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    kvs wrote:...I hope he is enjoying the taste of his own quisling shit.   He will have to have been ready to savour the flavour of Uncle Swine-shit's rear end delicacy as a loyal Sorosite stooge.

    Russia should give him free passage to Brussels on a private jet with caviar and hookers

    That would really drive home the point for Armenians about ''EU values''


    I'd rather see him behind bars in Yerevan, if the Armenian side activates an arrest warrant the Russian side should transfer him.


    Why? He was only doing what he was elected to do

    What would locking him up in Yerevan accomplish? Make it possible for some next colour revolutionaries to free him so he could go back to sucking Brussel's dick and for Armenians to blame Russia again when it backfires?

    Nah, just let him go

    Him living in luxury in Europe will be good reminder to Armenians what happens when you act like a two faced dumbass

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    Post  PapaDragon Tue Nov 10, 2020 12:47 am

    lyle6 wrote:...Christ. The Russians made out like bandits here.  

    Like businessmen

    That's the parlance of our time and the arrangement that all ex-Soviet states insisted on

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    Post  KoTeMoRe Tue Nov 10, 2020 12:55 am

    spotter wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:

    This is untrue. The TB-2 did not attack the Tor in operational mode.

    It literally waited until it folded before targeting the shelter.
    In all it took 4 assets (maybe 5) to hit it.

    1. 1 Harop (at least 1)
    2. 2 TB-2 (overwatch and strike).
    3. 1 Fixed wing manned AC.
    4. 1 Strike AC (Su-25).

    Have you seen the entire video? TB2 seems to be well within the Tor's missile range while it was active. Yet it was not engaged by the SAM. The issue that keeps repeating is that Russian SAMs apparently have a tremendously difficult time detecting drones.

    TorM2 level firing enveloppe is 15km.
    TB-2 optical tracking in day mode is up to 20km (LRF measurement).
    TB-2does not engage TOR, while TOR tries (IMO) to lock the TB-2. Seen that missile is off Range they décide to GTF.
    The actual angle is from the heights of Kojavend. This means reverberation of signal from Ranzhir and distance way over 11/12 km. This means limit of enveloppe plus negative terrain for radar lock.
    Similarly TB-2 waits until the AD unit folds goes into shelter. Then a Harop hits, does little damage, then the TB that has gotten closer lases for another TB-2. Then a strike aircraft hits one last time.

    At no point do I see the TB coming closer to get whacked while TOR is operational. Logic they lost one Saturday.
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    Post  nero Tue Nov 10, 2020 1:10 am

    Pashinyan wife said that 'they are still fighting'.

    Here's the post: https://www.facebook.com/wifeofarmenianPM/posts/826998391426052

    Maybe the guy fled the country, leaving his wife behind?

    So now the sentiment is that 'Pashinyan didn't sign anything!!!!'

    Russian convoy is now in Goris, Armenia. This is a ~3 hour drive from Yereven...

    What the absolute fuck is happening.
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    Post  flamming_python Tue Nov 10, 2020 1:31 am

    nero wrote:Pashinyan wife said that 'they are still fighting'.

    Here's the post: https://www.facebook.com/wifeofarmenianPM/posts/826998391426052

    Maybe the guy fled the country, leaving his wife behind?

    So now the sentiment is that 'Pashinyan didn't sign anything!!!!'

    Russian convoy is now in Goris, Armenia. This is a ~3 hour drive from Yereven...

    What the absolute fuck is happening.

    Either it's a masterplan or its a complete fuckup. Guess which. Oh and our helicopter got shot down by Azeris on the other side of Armenia from the fighting, and the foreign ministry expressed positivity about Azerbaijan's timely apology over the matter

    Putin's main role in Russia is to put on a calm measured face and impression of adequacy and control over every shitshow that happens. To make sure that everyone knows he's the don and is 2-3 steps ahead of everyone else, so there's no need to ever worry, Putin has planned for and introduced contingencies over every possible enemy move.

    In other news - If Armenia was flirting with the Western powers before, now it will be running to them

    While Azerbaijan will maintain a face of neutrality, in practice it will become a Turkish outpost and will go along with whatever scheme Erdogan wishes to hatch next in the post-Soviet space.

    You had a choice between war and dishonor. You chose dishonor, and now you will have war (to the Russian elites)


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    Post  Tai Hai Chen Tue Nov 10, 2020 1:38 am

    There is report Pushinyan has escaped to Sochi and Armenians want his head. The parliament building has fallen to protestors and they will not ratify the treaty even if Pushinyan signs it. Looks like Armenians are going to kick out the Russian military base in Armenia and Biden / Harris are moving it to build US military base in Armenia.

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    Post  flamming_python Tue Nov 10, 2020 1:43 am

    nero wrote:
    lyle6 wrote:Missed this, but the Russians have sent the strategic bombers on a tour of the Caucasus and the nearby Black Sea. At least 15 bombers. Hefty argument for a cessation of hostilities.

    https://twitter.com/Some_Sun/status/1325702355506126849

    Sending the VDV as a peacekeeping force is a bit... weird.

    I guess they forced the Azeri's and Armenian's to take the ceasefire.

    Hilariously Russia is now even more hated by Armenians than before. Some NKR units have effectively committed treason by refusing to back down from the fighting.

    What a fucked region.

    The Armenian government has entered war with the Armenian population, apparently:



    The live feed is fucking crazy. They are in a government building fucking shit up. Some one give them some copium.

    Thing about the VDV is - they can get to any place, real quick. Which I guess is what Russia is betting on.
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    Post  flamming_python Tue Nov 10, 2020 1:45 am

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    With this they will officially go down as saltiest dickless losers in modern history

    True that. Dick move. They could have used those Iskanders for you know, hitting the actual military targets attacking NKR.



    Anyway there are indications of Russian strategic bombers cruising in Caspian region ready to pulverise whichever side tries to refuse the peace deal

    Looks like Brother Bear decided that party is officially over


    Yeah my arse. After they just accepted it from behind from Azerbaijan, albeit by accident.

    Just some useless posing is all.

    They're there to do what, enforce the ceasefire on Armenia? Because that's what it's going to look like. Azerbaijan doesn't look like it has any problem with the deal, it's all in its favour.


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