2020 Nagorno-Karabakh war #2

KoTeMoRe wrote:https://twitter.com/301_AD/status/1324020540277989377?s=20

hello Eleron...

Armenia has new drones...

Now new. Israeli Searcher II bought from Russia. Russia makes it under license. Used in Syria a lot.

Tai Hai Chen wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:https://twitter.com/301_AD/status/1324020540277989377?s=20

hello Eleron...

Armenia has new drones...

Now new. Israeli Searcher II bought from Russia. Russia makes it under license. Used in Syria a lot.

Those are not Forposts, Forposts have different UI, these are Eleron drones.

https://twitter.com/301_AD/status/1324034766425985027?s=20

What. The. Hell. Is. Going. ON?

I see counter attacks, i see drones I see Az soldiers getting whacked, I see three poor TB-2 strikes a night? What's going on?

Armenians destroy Ottoman empire army's T-90 and SandCat

https://twitter.com/200_zoka/status/1324035654234394626

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Tai Hai Chen wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:https://twitter.com/301_AD/status/1324020540277989377?s=20

hello Eleron...

Armenia has new drones...

Now new. Israeli Searcher II bought from Russia. Russia makes it under license. Used in Syria a lot.

Those are not Forposts, Forposts have different UI, these are Eleron drones.

https://twitter.com/301_AD/status/1324034766425985027?s=20

What. The. Hell. Is. Going. ON?

I see counter attacks, i see drones I see Az soldiers getting whacked, I see three poor TB-2 strikes a night? What's going on?

Zoka thinks it's Orlan UI. Can you confirm?

https://twitter.com/200_zoka/status/1324028974461292544

Ottoman lieutenant colonel slain

https://twitter.com/301_AD/status/1324046580731858944


https://twitter.com/200_zoka/status/1323990182958403589

Tai Hai Chen wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Tai Hai Chen wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:https://twitter.com/301_AD/status/1324020540277989377?s=20

hello Eleron...

Armenia has new drones...

Now new. Israeli Searcher II bought from Russia. Russia makes it under license. Used in Syria a lot.

Those are not Forposts, Forposts have different UI, these are Eleron drones.

https://twitter.com/301_AD/status/1324034766425985027?s=20

What. The. Hell. Is. Going. ON?

I see counter attacks, i see drones I see Az soldiers getting whacked, I see three poor TB-2 strikes a night? What's going on?

Zoka thinks it's Orlan UI. Can you confirm?

https://twitter.com/200_zoka/status/1324028974461292544

Same class as Eleron 10V, could be either.

Not sure if it is Eleron or Orlan-10, but one detail is interesting, that it have two crosses in different colors. It could either mark coordinates of the target and give them to artillery or it could laser designate for Krasnopol laser guided shell. Drone with laser designator and Krasnopol laser guided shells will have the same effect on Azerbaijani army as kamikaze drones and Bayraktars on Artzakh army. One drone could designate a lot of targets for artillery.

medo wrote:Not sure if it is Eleron or Orlan-10, but one detail is interesting, that it have two crosses in different colors. It could either mark coordinates of the target and give them to artillery or it could laser designate for Krasnopol laser guided shell. Drone with laser designator and Krasnopol laser guided shells will have the same effect on Azerbaijani army as kamikaze drones and Bayraktars on Artzakh army. One drone could designate a lot of targets for artillery.

Would be better than drone weapon as artillery obviously has more ammunition and easy/quick to reload. If guided by the laser designator on the drone, then yeah, it can be deadly for Azerbaijan troops.

[url=https://eurasianet.org/armenians-flee-fighting-in-karabakh]Armenians flee fighting in Karabakh[/url]

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medo wrote:Not sure if it is Eleron or Orlan-10, but one detail is interesting, that it have two crosses in different colors. It could either mark coordinates of the target and give them to artillery or it could laser designate for Krasnopol laser guided shell. Drone with laser designator and Krasnopol laser guided shells will have the same effect on Azerbaijani army as kamikaze drones and Bayraktars on Artzakh army. One drone could designate a lot of targets for artillery.

Orlan 10 is the first model. It could be Orlan 30 which entered service this year. Considering a few days ago a number of flights from Russia to Armenia carried military hardware, these are newly bought drones which is likely the latest Orlan 30 model. Orlan 30 has laser designator. Best part with UAV is they fly around and people on the ground are oblivious to them.

https://armyrecognition.com/weapons_defence_industry_military_technology_uk/russian_army_to_get_orlan-30_drone_in_2020.html

What Armenia needs are Orion drones which can carry missiles. Once acquired, they will launch counter offensive to retake southern Karabakh plain.

Meanwhile. https://twitter.com/301_AD/status/1324078278743908361

Ottoman defense minister Akar in Uzbekistan today to recruit Uzbeks to fight Armenia. Uzbekistan is the most hostile Turkic former USSR country to Russia. Having withdrawn from CSTO along with Azerbaijan and Ukraine.

https://twitter.com/301_AD/status/1321158184078376961

Killing Azerbaijani T-90S tank using ATGM

Tai Hai Chen wrote:

medo wrote:Not sure if it is Eleron or Orlan-10, but one detail is interesting, that it have two crosses in different colors. It could either mark coordinates of the target and give them to artillery or it could laser designate for Krasnopol laser guided shell. Drone with laser designator and Krasnopol laser guided shells will have the same effect on Azerbaijani army as kamikaze drones and Bayraktars on Artzakh army. One drone could designate a lot of targets for artillery.

Orlan 10 is the first model. It could be Orlan 30 which entered service this year. Considering a few days ago a number of flights from Russia to Armenia carried military hardware, these are newly bought drones which is likely the latest Orlan 30 model. Orlan 30 has laser designator. Best part with UAV is they fly around and people on the ground are oblivious to them.

https://armyrecognition.com/weapons_defence_industry_military_technology_uk/russian_army_to_get_orlan-30_drone_in_2020.html

What Armenia needs are Orion drones which can carry missiles. Once acquired, they will launch counter offensive to retake southern Karabakh plain.

Meanwhile. https://twitter.com/301_AD/status/1324078278743908361

Kronstadt is only in LRP and the 50kg class munition is still on test phase.

Armenia needs a lot of stuff, starting by a secured signal network.

I just saw Some of the most awful shit from this war. One side has litteral psychos desacrating bodies and mutilating them (AZ), the other (ARM) fed a couple of dead guys to pigs.

I am fucking appalled. I get the hate and it really rings a bell as Balkanic, but fuck me we are going back in time here. That’s straight up medieval shit. I get the Armenians are doing this the old way. But fuck me that was hard.

KoTeMoRe wrote:I just saw Some of the most awful shit from this war. One side has litteral psychos desacrating bodies and mutilating them (AZ), the other (ARM) fed a couple of dead guys to pigs.

I am fucking appalled. I get the hate and it really rings a bell as Balkanic, but fuck me we are going back in time here. That’s straight up medieval shit. I get the Armenians are doing this the old way. But fuck me that was hard.

The people in those regions always revert back to the old ways. At least they don't go mexican cartel on them, that stuff is just next level.

killing Ottoman lieutenant colonels

https://twitter.com/301_AD/status/1324300923401883649

https://twitter.com/301_AD/status/1324286658913644549

https://twitter.com/301_AD/status/1324285233710178305


https://twitter.com/301_AD/status/1324291803101728768


killing Ottoman soldiers

https://twitter.com/301_AD/status/1324280780655382531


Armenians battle Ottoman army in mountain




1240 Azerbaijani Ottoman soldiers slain in mountain

https://m.facebook.com/herbimedia/

https://twitter.com/301_AD/status/1324357527681802240?s=20

Aliyev to Spanish EFE: Lavrov's claim are unverified, groundless. He calls them "rumors" and takes a jab at Russia's record: "if we start accusing those [who accuse us of bringing mercenaries] on what they do in different parts of the world it will be a long story".

Ilham, just do it.

Maximmmm wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:I just saw Some of the most awful shit from this war. One side has litteral psychos desacrating bodies and mutilating them (AZ), the other (ARM) fed a couple of dead guys to pigs.

I am fucking appalled. I get the hate and it really rings a bell as Balkanic, but fuck me we are going back in time here. That’s straight up medieval shit. I get the Armenians are doing this the old way. But fuck me that was hard.

The people in those regions always revert back to the old ways. At least they don't go mexican cartel on them, that stuff is just next level.

It will only get worse. And given the BS Aliev is trying to push in public and what we saw recently from the ARM side (Russian UAV's) it will only contibute to more shit.

Killing an Ottoman colonel

https://twitter.com/301_AD/status/1324358759234314242

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Maximmmm wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:I just saw Some of the most awful shit from this war. One side has litteral psychos desacrating bodies and mutilating them (AZ), the other (ARM) fed a couple of dead guys to pigs.

I am fucking appalled. I get the hate and it really rings a bell as Balkanic, but fuck me we are going back in time here. That’s straight up medieval shit. I get the Armenians are doing this the old way. But fuck me that was hard.

The people in those regions always revert back to the old ways. At least they don't go mexican cartel on them, that stuff is just next level.

It will only get worse. And given the BS Aliev is trying to push in public and what we saw recently from the ARM side (Russian UAV's) it will only contibute to more shit.

Yup, it's a damn mess down there. It's funny, I was talking to colleagues about the election yesterday and everybody gives you the typical "right wing death squads" "omg US civil war stuff" and just like classic Europeans they ignore the fact there's an actual war going with thousands of dead and actual war crimes not that far away.
Reminds one of that joke map with parts of the world where sad events are sad and parts of the world where its like "whatever".

KoTeMoRe wrote:https://twitter.com/301_AD/status/1324357527681802240?s=20

Aliyev to Spanish EFE: Lavrov's claim are unverified, groundless. He calls them "rumors" and takes a jab at Russia's record: "if we start accusing those [who accuse us of bringing mercenaries] on what they do in different parts of the world it will be a long story".

Ilham, just do it.

I wonder if he was ever presented with the evidence of who is who and who came from Syria?  Or Russia's evidence?  Of course he will say it is all lies but he knows damn well and so does the rest of the world.  I guess if he can fool his own population.

There may be lashing out from Azerbaijan cause they know that after sending in terrorists from Syria, Russia will side with Armenia and that Azerbaijan will be in a tougher spot.

Maximmmm wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Maximmmm wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:I just saw Some of the most awful shit from this war. One side has litteral psychos desacrating bodies and mutilating them (AZ), the other (ARM) fed a couple of dead guys to pigs.

I am fucking appalled. I get the hate and it really rings a bell as Balkanic, but fuck me we are going back in time here. That’s straight up medieval shit. I get the Armenians are doing this the old way. But fuck me that was hard.

The people in those regions always revert back to the old ways. At least they don't go mexican cartel on them, that stuff is just next level.

It will only get worse. And given the BS Aliev is trying to push in public and what we saw recently from the ARM side (Russian UAV's) it will only contibute to more shit.

Yup, it's a damn mess down there. It's funny, I was talking to colleagues about the election yesterday and everybody gives you the typical "right wing death squads" "omg US civil war stuff" and just like classic Europeans they ignore the fact there's an actual war going with thousands of dead and actual war crimes not that far away.
Reminds one of that joke map with parts of the world where sad events are sad and parts of the world where its like "whatever".

Reminds me of 2016.

Trump elected, a junior accountant at my former company tells me, it's horrible they've elected someone like Putin. A dictator.
I was like, have you even heard of Enver Hoxha? That's what a dictator was, bless his heart, not Donald, "you're fired" Trump.

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Maximmmm wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Maximmmm wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:I just saw Some of the most awful shit from this war. One side has litteral psychos desacrating bodies and mutilating them (AZ), the other (ARM) fed a couple of dead guys to pigs.

I am fucking appalled. I get the hate and it really rings a bell as Balkanic, but fuck me we are going back in time here. That’s straight up medieval shit. I get the Armenians are doing this the old way. But fuck me that was hard.

The people in those regions always revert back to the old ways. At least they don't go mexican cartel on them, that stuff is just next level.

It will only get worse. And given the BS Aliev is trying to push in public and what we saw recently from the ARM side (Russian UAV's) it will only contibute to more shit.

Yup, it's a damn mess down there. It's funny, I was talking to colleagues about the election yesterday and everybody gives you the typical "right wing death squads" "omg US civil war stuff" and just like classic Europeans they ignore the fact there's an actual war going with thousands of dead and actual war crimes not that far away.
Reminds one of that joke map with parts of the world where sad events are sad and parts of the world where its like "whatever".

Reminds me of 2016.

Trump elected, a junior accountant at my former company tells me, it's horrible they've elected someone like Putin. A dictator.
I was like, have you even heard of Enver Hoxha? That's what a dictator was, bless his heart, not Donald, "you're fired" Trump.

If one is a dictator, then how were they elected democratically?

I always ask this question - what makes them a dictator? what have they done that warrants them a dictator?

There is no "going back". Humans are base-line medieval. It is wired in our brains. People think that the human brain is some
sort of magical box that only keeps getting better and better. BS. It has the ability to learn but that requires the right environment.
That is, things have to be developed enough for humans to engage in intellectual activity instead of eating each other for survival.

A test was done on some children (under 10 years) a while back where they were asked various physics questions. They answered
exactly like peasants from the 1200s. Not like, but the same. The same ridiculous interpretations of physical processes. And
that makes sense, since the medieval peasants were uneducated and living in ignorant times (some things never change too much).
They used the base-line instincts wired in their brains to interpret their world.

During war we have the break down of "civilized" normalcy and reversion to primitive savagery.

https://en.mehrnews.com/photo/165561/Army-s-Armored-Brigade-116-dispatched-to-NW-borders


Well at least Iran sending Tanks to border region. I think they are getting fed up with  artillery shells landing on Iranian soil. Previous photos also show AD units. The important equipment here, is the Tank bridge . Sending message, we will cross River.  Does anyone have updated sattelite photo of troop in region?  Also any news about any Rat or Turk troops or foreign troops, captured or killed? Would indicate actual numbers used in the war.

kvs wrote:There is no "going back".  Humans are base-line medieval.  It is wired in our brains.   People think that the human brain is some
sort of magical box that only keeps getting better and better.  BS.  It has the ability to learn but that requires the right environment.
That is, things have to be developed enough for humans to engage in intellectual activity instead of eating each other for survival.

A test was done on some children (under 10 years) a while back where they were asked various physics questions.   They answered
exactly like peasants from the 1200s.   Not like, but the same.   The same ridiculous interpretations of physical processes.   And
that makes sense, since the medieval peasants were uneducated and living in ignorant times (some things never change too much).
They used the base-line instincts wired in their brains to interpret their world.  

During war we have the break down of "civilized" normalcy and reversion to primitive savagery.  

Off course we do. That is not the point. But some shit is done from a pathos POV.
Azeris cut those ears because of an inferiority complex. They mutilate those bodies because they cannot simpy waltz in Artsakh (plus the past). but the Armenians are just following suit.
Call me naive, but I see the Albanians in the past in Armenia. We had to deal with the Turks and their shit, including our own traitors. So for me you can kill and destroy as many as you want, but once dead they're gone, they're not to be touched. Feeding the Azeris to the pigs, that's something that you do to both spite and extoll frustration with the current situation, but it is the that kind of shit that breaks a nation's fabric. That bestiality.

To be honest, after the way the Azeris and Turks have decided to go for a war of attrition, i would probably do horrible things to them if I got the possibility to finally mess them up. But still things are appalling.