Well not exactly if someone who is a popular opposition figure to a government just disappears while in the country and there is no trace left of them then that will point to the government. So I disagree with your view, you have never had to kill anyone covertly who was well known.
But trying to kill him with Novachok will convince everyone he died of natural causes?
Now I am not saying Russia did it or not, but using a poison that can be produced in other countries offers you a degree of deniability. Since you can claim "Hey others can make it to, you got more proof we did it sides some poison?" .
Poison is proof it was murder... a car accident or plane crash is much easier to organise.
IMO and from stuff, I have witnessed IF Russia did this they didn't want him dead, rather they just wanted him out of Russia. Nava refused to leave knowing once he was out they would never let him back in.
What are you talking about? This guy is more famous in the west than he is at home... in the west he is the leader of the opposition... in Russia he is annoying to very few... if he was my political enemy I would be very pleased to keep him around as much as possible... he is totally ineffectual politically.
So if Russia did this, the goal wasn't to kill but to get him moved out of the country so he can stop being an annoyance to them.
It would be much easier to get rid of him by depriving him access to western media by investigating him for criminal activity and putting him in jail again.
Etc poision him enough that he doesn't die but needs treatment use his idioit girlfriend to request he be moved to another country. Under fear for his life, then just send him away.
Without monitoring his vital signs and condition how much is enough... with alcohol and prescription drugs let alone non prescription drugs of illegal natures... famous people often end up dead in the west already... are Russian doctors really that much better than western doctors?
That would be my assumption on what happened again that's IF they did it. Sometimes a body is worth more trouble dead than alive, killing isn't always the best or effective way to solve a problem.
He was tested for all sorts of things in Russia and it proved he was not poisoned at all. He goes to Germany and all of a sudden there is irrefutable proof it was Novachok... but just like the Skripals case they can't hand over any evidence or proof at all... which suggests to me they have no case at all and this is all just political BS.
That is your personal opinion which isn't represented by facts, Navan was an annoyance to them, he was able to drum up some measure of crap to gather crowds and what not.
So your personal opinion seems to be fact and his is just personal opinion... you don't work for German neurotoxin labs do you?
At the time he was struck ill non of his team should have any idea what caused it. Why did they jump to the conclusion they did and demand to be sent to Germany? Preplanned?
The script for the 21st Century.... someone feels sick... putin must have poisoned him with novachok.
If the Russian state had done it they surely wouldn't have used a product as deadly as Novachokfullofdeath that would have had to have been delivered in a difficult to deliver dose? There are many easier substances to achieve the same ends.
If they wanted him dead why let him go to Germany. If they didn't want him dead they could have just deported him or put out a warrant for his arrest for child pornography... seize a laptop or two and just put a few files on there in encrypted folders... I would think the CIA does that all the time....
What do the Skripals have to do with this? I didn't bring them up that's you so I am not going to respond to that.
Same game different idiot...
Nava served a purpose in Russia, drumming up Western support.
What are you talking about? A few EU orgs are introducing new sanctions against Russians they claim were involved. Otherwise it was all a total waste of time.
He went to Germany they aren't exactly trying to damage relations with Russia atm.
Yes, Germany is totally unified and of one mind... Germany has been damaging its relations with Russia for the last hundred years or more...
You can consider what I said BS but all I have seen is how narrow-minded you are with your silly response. You just acted like a child, I guess we are done here no reason to continue this if that's how your going to act.
Just as well you are not making this personal...
Your go focused on "Russia didn't do it" your fast to deny and denounce any other theories, only a moron thinks like this.
Didn't do WHAT? There is no fucking evidence anything happened.... just the word of the Germans backed up by their sycophant allies, but it is too sensitive to hand over to use to investigate so no real investigation is even possible anyway...
There is nothing to answer for...
Because I doubt it was NK or if it was it was just a weak dose not meant to kill but give the impression of death.
Then why use a fucking neuro toxin? Why not just feed the bastard sugar pills so he has a diabetic episode...
Lenin investor heavy into poison, Stalin continued this the USSR expanded upon what Stalin did.
You do know they are both dead and are not in charge any more...
Do you think Putin sits in his office every day and thinks... what would Stalin do...
They have spent decades developing various types of agents.
Wow... Stalin and Lenin were chemists and developed Novachok.... does the media know?
They very well have the means to deploy a nerve agent that will not kill a man but cause enough panic.
Now they want to cause panic? Is this still Stalin and Lenin or do you mean Putin wants to cause panic in Russia over uncontrolled use of deadly military chemical weapons that Russia has already completed disposing of... unlike the US I might add.
Again he was able to gather crowds, it wasn't the hundreds of thousands sure but he was still able to cause a ruckus and Russia doesn't like a ruckus.
I am sure the Russians that received Western slush fund money to turn up to his rallies appreciated the extra cash... it is probably CIA drug money anyway but I am sure they appreciate it.
Low sighted thinking, the Russians do not need to make an official statement saying "if he returns we will arrest him for good"
There would be plenty of things to arrest him for... ask an American cop and they could probably give you a list of things they can arrest people just off the street for that will get them to the police station where they can find other things to hold them on if they need to.
That would look bad, rather it's much better to let him know covertly that he is never welcome back.
That would look bad?
The west and the western media are accusing Putin of attempted murder... why the fuck would he care what they thought about him not letting this dick back into Russia?
The thing is long as Russia doesn't confirm it they can play it off as him making shit up.
He said Putin tried to murder him personally... that alone should get a court case started... no making shit up is needed from the Russian side... just play the tapes...
Maybe I am wrong, that is possible, why I said it was a theory based on experience.
But hang on... experience would include the Skripals and you told someone off for mentioning that not so long ago...
An amateur who asks the right questions is better than a professional who doesn't.
Perhaps he works in a troll farm and gets a nice living wage out of it...
You are a grade A moron if you cannot even do the most simple of research and have the nerve to say I am lying. You lie a lot KVS and don't even know basic history.
, that is from 1991... the only UN nation that recognises that referendum was Albania... so not recognised by any western country at all...
The 2008 declaration had no referendum as many stated here, but a few deniers are ignoring because they don't suit their agenda...
But the three or four referendums on independence for Crimea must also be relevant then... all of which favoured leaving the Ukraine?
Btw an Amateur will only consider outcomes that align to their personal view which is pretty much yourself, you like others shun any possible idea that isn't pro-russian and that is a weakness one that would be exploited easily in a professional setting.
Why are you describing your technique to us... it is already pretty plain to see...
Understand this, the reality isn't this forum where Russia is some angel that can do no wrong. So you can everyone else can sit here and circle jerk pretending all you want, all it does and show me how blinded and ignorant you are and others are.
Demanding proof that a poisoning took place is not ignorant...
They do shady shit to, problem is you have your head so far up its ass, you just can't see five feet in front of you.
Of course they do but they are amatures compared to the squeaky clean teflon coated west... search hunter biden ukraine on Google... it is all sugar coated innocent misunderstandings... all that is missing is Hunter saying "I am not a crook".
Well, it being a NATO hit job is equally absurd. We have spies in Russia, we can get access to Russian guns easily.
if we wanted his ass dead, Simply put we would have made it look like a Russian hit, had guys go in and kill him with guns, leave the body there and just let everyone point fingers to the FSB since that would have happened easily.
It has worked in the past... worked for Browder...
Non German HATO partners seem fired up by this allegation of poison that no one but a German military lab has found inconclusive evidence of... sounds very much like a HATO job... they can use him again and just send him right back in there telling him that it was probably Putin... he would be more than happy to believe that...
Just as people say it's moronic to think Russia would botch a hit it's equally moronic to suggest the US would botch a hit.
It is moronic to suggest the US didn't have anything to do with this... that is what super power means... this is exactly the stuff they do every day...
Just like Russia fives a fuck about Navan, the US doesn't either.
At certain times he is all over western media when it suits them... he is a western puppet... he is their current tool of choice... the fact that Russia doesn't care means nothing... it is not about Russia caring... it is about putting more pressure on Germany over Russian gas supplies this time. Next time it might be something else they want to use him for... this fits absolutely perfectly...
I simply offered a reasonable theory and admitted I could be wrong.
You offered the US/western fabricated cover story... that is OK... you are the target audience sheep... it makes sense you believe it... you want to believe Russia is bad and the west is good... it helps you sleep at night... that is fine... but we are interested in the truth and the facts simply don't add up.
The wests story is stupid. The Russian story makes sense.
Not for the first time either...