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    Post  kvs Thu 21 Jan 2021, 18:43

    miketheterrible wrote:I find it hilarious that our resident dumbass repeats a mantra but provides zero evidence of collaboration that this is Putin's house but in the words of "these people know Putin and thus it's his", believes this BS. But real theft In the form of a golden toilet and a bar installed in Russia's Airforce one under US and Navalny backed Yeltsin gets no mention.

    As Garry said, Panama papers says all. And it had US leaders and officials on it. Not Russia's President.  Funny how that is forgotten about now

    I clearly recall the giddy anticipation that the Panama papers would expose Putin's billions in the NATzO fake stream media. When his name
    did not even show up but the names of sitting NATzO leaders did, the papers were dropped as a news item instantly and forgotten.

    Accuse your enemy of what you are guilty of yourself is NATzO's core operating principle.

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    Post  kvs Thu 21 Jan 2021, 18:58



    So this "palace" drivel was already spewed back in 2012 and is being recycled. The aim is to get school children agitated via social
    media out onto the streets. But even if some of them do, it makes no difference for Russian society. They will never be an
    effective rent-a-crowd. Their routine disposal after one use is over time resulting in a backlash against Navalny and his handlers.
    It's like the boy who cried wolf. Even if you have a new generation of children to exploit, your previous useful idiots are
    still around and can remember how you threw them under the bus.

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    Post  kvs Thu 21 Jan 2021, 19:13



    The businessman smeared by Navalny during his phony "corruption" "investigations" suggested that this grifter be
    stripped of citizenship and sent packing to his patron NATzO west.    In an interview with Russian MSM he gives
    a nice summary of Navalny's career.   Navalny started out as a crook trying to make easy money through corruption
    of government (ah the irony) and then was tapped by NATzO for regime change in Russia.   Navalny posed as a
    nationalist and that did not pan out, then he rebranded himself and a corruption fighter.   But his attacks were on
    normal Russian businesses which he tried to smear as being Putin's billions rackets.   You know, if Putin meets some
    businessman as part of his work activity, then that businessman must be a crook and flunky for Putin.   This is
    what Navalny and his NATzO handlers claim is "fighting corruption in Russia".  

    Much like Magnitsky the crook accountant working for the crook Browder, who was most likely offed to prevent him
    spilling the beans against Browder, is elevated into a dissident martyr.   Browder is cast as some sort of victim of Putin but
    is actually the real victimizer.   Meanwhile legitimate businessmen in Russia are slandered and libeled as crooks by
    Navalny and NATzO's fake stream propaganda chorus media.


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    Post  PhSt Thu 21 Jan 2021, 19:13

    Yes, it looks like NATzO is aiming to propagate their anti-Putin campaign among Russia's youth. After all, if they are successful in turning Russia's young population into brainless NATzO sympathizers, then they will be more than willing to break Russia into pieces in the future.



    Young Russians Flood TikTok With Navalny Protest Cries

    Young Russians have flooded TikTok with calls to rally in support of opposition leader Alexei Navalny this weekend, prompting the state censor to urge the popular short-video app’s administrators to take them down.

    Navalny called for nationwide street protests this Saturday after his arrest and a viral investigative video into an opulent $1.35 billion Black Sea estate that he and news outlets claim belongs to President Vladimir Putin. The activist was jailed this week after a defiant return to Russia from Germany, where he had been hospitalized with what Western scientists determined to be nerve agent poisoning.

    https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2021/01/21/young-russians-flood-tiktok-with-navalny-protest-cries-a72676


    Also, this NATzO Brainwashed WHORE removed Putins portrait hanging inside one of the classrooms, I do not think that this is a form of "Freedom of Speech". Can we make a social experiment of what will happen if a student removes a portrait of the Queen inside a school campus in Canada?

    https://www.tiktok.com/@almorozova/video/6919376127253417218?is_copy_url=1&is_from_webapp=v1
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    Post  kvs Thu 21 Jan 2021, 19:22

    The trick is that small scale incidents become amplified in social media into epic events.   Lemmings get herded through the
    trumpeting of these small scale incidents.    This is like the bootstrapping of revolution in 1905 because some idiots trampled
    each other in a stampede at a demonstration.   This was called "bloody sunday" but should have been called "terminal idiot sunday".

    Russia needs to crack down on social media like is the case in NATzO.   Agitators organizing rent-a-crowd protests are not
    legitimate voices and should be suppressed without mercy. If it means fully blocking Twitter and Facebook then so be it.
    Let western loser propagandists scream all they want. Twatter and Fascistbook are not legitimate anyway since they
    censor dissidents and even mainstream voices.

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    Post  miketheterrible Thu 21 Jan 2021, 19:50

    kvs wrote:The trick is that small scale incidents become amplified in social media into epic events.   Lemmings get herded through the
    trumpeting of these small scale incidents.    This is like the bootstrapping of revolution in 1905 because some idiots trampled
    each other in a stampede at a demonstration.   This was called "bloody sunday" but should have been called "terminal idiot sunday".

    Russia needs to crack down on social media like is the case in NATzO.   Agitators organizing rent-a-crowd protests are not
    legitimate voices and should be suppressed without mercy.  If it means fully blocking Twitter and Facebook then so be it.
    Let western loser propagandists scream all they want.   Twatter and Fascistbook are not legitimate anyway since they
    censor dissidents and even mainstream voices.


    https://antimaidan.ru/news/19342

    Navalnists urge children to participate in illegal actions in support of the blogger on January 23. So, FBK lawyer Lyubov Sobol reported on Twitter that the hashtags #23yanvarya and #svobodunavalny in TikTok gained more than 200 million views in total. Note that this social network is popular among the younger generation.

    Roskomnadzor, in turn, demanded that TikTok remove videos with calls to participate in unauthorized actions in support of the founder of FBK.

    Recall that Russian legislation prohibits the involvement of minors in unauthorized rallies, marches, pickets and other similar actions. Such offenses, according to article 20.2 of the administrative Code of the Russian Federation, are punishable by a fine for individuals of up to 50 thousand rubles, mandatory work of up to 100 hours or administrative arrest for 15 days, and for legal entities a fine of 250,000 to 500,000 rubles is provided.

    Young fans of Navalny who plan to take part in unauthorized actions in support of the blogger do not realize what this can lead to. Most of them for offences committed on the shares of navalists will receive a criminal record, thereby greatly complicating their future. Having a criminal record does not allow you to enter many universities, as well as get a prestigious job in the future.

    Children and teenagers, obviously, do not realize that those of them who will have problems with the law, neither the blogger nor his entourage will provide any help. Navalnisty use naive fans of the blogger as cannon fodder and quickly forget about them, as it happened more than once. And young offenders, in turn, will remain with a black mark of a criminal record and a broken life.

    So the authorities are already saying there will be some heavy punishment.

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    Post  PhSt Thu 21 Jan 2021, 19:50

    Calls for unsanctioned rallies should be labeled as an act to foment Insurrection. If the US can do it, why not Russia? The kind of censorship happening now in NATzO US actually gives Russia a good excuse to stomp out social media agitators. Since TikTok is a Chinese ap, I believe they won't offer any resistance when asked to take down these propaganda videos.

    So apparently the WHORE who took down Putin's portrait has been apprehended by the police, but most like her punishment will just be a slap in the wrist. Rolling Eyes They need to make punishments for the desecration of public property more severe to make these rodents think twice before making stupid actions.

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Thu 21 Jan 2021, 19:58

    Care to name names? Who the fuck is "Putin's inner circle of friends, relatives, & partners"???
    watch the video again-if u don't know Russian, u can hire me to make an English transcript, if these rn't enough:




    I know who Putin is. He is an opportunist from childhood who wanted to join the KGB & later got lucky to be chosen as Yeltsin's successor with B. Berezovsky's help.
    But this is OT; regarding Navalny, he is a case in point of Russia is being ruled by law. In other words, those who make & enforce Russian laws selectively bend them & rule the nation as they see fit to preserve their power, using the notion of "the rule of law" as a fig leaf to look clean. Fabricated cases against Navalny were used to prevent him from participating in elections against Putin & now to keep him in jail/prison to silence him.
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    Post  owais.usmani Thu 21 Jan 2021, 20:10

    Tsavo Lion wrote:

    I know who Putin is. He is an opportunist from childhood who wanted to join the KGB & later got lucky to be chosen as Yeltsin's successor with B. Berezovsky's help.
    But this is OT; regarding Navalny, he is a case in point of Russia is being ruled by law. In other words, those who make & enforce Russian laws selectively bend them & rule the nation as they see fit to preserve their power, using the notion of "the rule of law" as a fig leaf to look clean. Fabricated cases against Navalny were used to prevent him from participating in elections against Putin & now to keep him in jail/prison to silence him.


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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Thu 21 Jan 2021, 20:19

    kvs wrote:

    The alleged Putin residence is a government owned building like Camp David.   This is a exactly a Camp David type of property
    and does not belong to Putin.   You clowns couldn't find Putin's billions so now you just lie about Russian government property.


    The mansion itself is the least interesting part of the facilities.

    When the story first "broke" in 2010 or so (really, nothing has changed since then, it's a complete rehash) there were multiple contracts concerning development of this property that were signed the Presidential Administrative Office (APRF), the Federal Guard Service (FSO) and the Federal Security Service (FSB).

    Real interesting things already begin with the 2008 contract for industrial levels of electricity (dedicated 110kV lines and substations) to be provided by Kubanenergo to serve FSB "Special Objects" in the area, which is unusual to say the least as that kind of power is what you'd expect for an automobile plant or something (why all this power was needed becomes quite evident below...)

    These things continue with multiple contracts for FSO facilities (namely FSO unit 1473, which is the actual name of the hilltop facility), in 2011 and onwards.

    Basically, the true scale of everything becomes apparent when you look at what surrounds the "palace" area. I mean, first you have the helipads right in front of the entrance, and the harbor below (which, by the way, was a military contract fulfilled by Morstroytekhnologiya for unit 1473) of course, but the real stuff is earlier up on the road.

    First, the initial checkpoint area that you'd need to pass if you came by road from Gelendzhik. Here are large FSB buildings, multiple garages etc, the dedicated power facilities etc:
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    Then as we move on, its a long and winding road, with occasional technical buildings alongside it, and a small FSB outpost with a garage at one point. Next to the road there are pipes and/or cables running, occasionally intersecting it in tunnels

    Then we pass through another checkpoint (which appears to even have a vehicle x-ray) and arrive at the positively massive, clearly military style (it's even all in some olive drab green, for crying out loud) facility:
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    Then after passing through that we get to the heliport (that was originally built with three pads, but now has two), and finally the "palace", that everyone's seen already.

    All of this is surrounded by miles of fences, patrol roads and guard huts, in two tiers, one inner perimeter and one far larger outer one.

    There appears to be provisions for a couple of SAM sites (probably for Tor vehicles, as the size and style is similar to the Tor sites that could be seen in Sochi/Adler during the Olympics) as well, but no vehicles are yet present in the latest open source satellite footage. Considering that there is an official restricted airspace notice in effect for FL160 and below, and Navalnys drone violated it, I wouldn't be surprised if they added some form of air defense very soon, anyway.

    So basically, that's what they've actually been building there...

    Meanwhile, the Gelendzhik airport is being overhauled, with a brand new terminal being built right now. A brand new golf course has been built right next to it as well. You have the nearby Krymsk interceptor base, which has received upgrades (including new hard shelters, unusual for Russian airbases) and whose rapid response Flankers can be in the air over the FSO object in a matter of minutes if ordered. Then you have the nearby Novorossiysk naval base, with its new piers and new fast patrol ships (pr 22160 etc).

    To my eyes, everything points to this thing being a presidential Camp David style residence, one to rule them all, with all necessary security, communications, support and amenities you can wish for.

    So, the president flies to Gelendzhik airport, takes a helicopter from there to the residence. Invites other world leaders, goes for some golfing or yachting, whatever.

    BTW. I think it's quite possible that the Sochi presidential residence might be scrapped in favor of this later, because that one is really awkwardly located and probably a nightmare to guard properly as it has tall civilian buildings literally overlooking it, tons of tiny alleyways and private buildings surrounding it, and the helicopter from Adler (where the closest airport is) has to fly for miles over heavily urban areas, and is literally within reach for some random person with a gun in his bedroom, when it approaches the compound.

    Anyway, the main thing that bothers people here seems to be that the funding schemes appear sketchy and that the state pretends it doesn't exist, but to be perfectly honest that's not exactly unusual in Russia. The secrecy makes perfect sense, anyway. And no, the strip poles, personal casino and Dance Dance Evolution pad are CGI renders (by Navalnys artist) with a lot of creative liberties being taken. The only actual interior photos that exist were taken a good 10 years ago or so, and show interiors modeled after the National Congress Palace in St. Petersburg, which is also technically an official residence of the Russian president, but it's just being used as a reception hall pretty much.

    PS apart from the military facilities the place is still far from being ready, and Putin has never even been there at all.

    PPS One more thing, the Italian architect of the residential building flat out denied it was for Putin himself in an interview years ago. He said however that things were indeed confidential, but that he hoped that designing this would put him in history together with the other Italians that designed parts of the Kremlin and the Winter Palace. Go figure.


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    Post  kvs Thu 21 Jan 2021, 20:35

    So it is not a private residence at all.   The talk of it being owned by some oligarch is BS.   In Russia, larger corporations which
    are mostly state owned contribute to the construction of hospitals, schools and yes government residences.   Navalny and his
    owners are using this to pretend it is some sort of corruption.

    The price tag of $1.3 billion now makes sense.   This is the same propaganda trick we had during the Sochi Olympics where
    the cost for upgrading the regional infrastructure was counted as the cost of the Olympics.   As if nobody lives in the
    region when in fact it is a hot tourist location with a shortage of land for development.    Replacing zigzagging roads with
    highways and trains through tunnels ain't cheap and certainly is not a sports event expense.  

    The photos prove that it is the same venue we are talking about.   The related infrastructure is deliberately not discussed by
    the 5th column accusers.

    I should have spent more time doing my own research.   Enough responding to troll posts for me on this topic.

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Thu 21 Jan 2021, 21:22

    So it is not a private residence at all.  The talk of it being owned by some oligarch is BS.   In Russia, larger corporations which are mostly state owned contribute to the construction of hospitals, schools and yes government residences. Navalny and his owners are using this to pretend it is some sort of corruption.
    Excellent! The $Ms invested in it & the supposed new armaments could be used for more useful things. Existing palaces, incl. former Gorbachev dacha at Foros in Crimea r still not enough. That's why it's true owner isn't & can't declared to be the RF Government, since it's not even in the "black budget", if it even exists.
    Once the palace is ready, it can be used as Putin's personal retreat; if/when he retires, he can still rule the RF or the Eurasian Union from behind the scenes as a paramount leader. Absolute power corrupts absolutely!
    Putin indicated to hide everything, but we found it to show you. The first thing that was done as soon as Putin appointed Mikhail Mishustin Prime Minister of Russia was that any information about the property of all members of his family was classified. What is the official who got a job in the civil service 22 years ago so hiding? Believe me, there is something to hide. Fortunately you have The Anti-Corruption Foundation, where people work are not at all naive. We never considered Mishustin an "effective minister", but we always knew who he was - a corrupt official. Therefore, since 2015, we have carefully collected all these extracts and now we are happy to tell you that the Mishustin family owns real estate worth almost 3 billion rubles. That the "businessman" who was engaged in fraudulent schemes with VAT refunds gave this property. What beautiful numbers on the car of Mishustin's sister. And as a restaurateur Arkady Novikov "laundered" the apartments presented to the children of Mishustin for the coming of age. All documents mentioned in the video can be carefully viewed here https://navalny.com/p/6293/
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyPWPTYf-b0

    First Deputy Interior Minister Alexander Gorovoy did not rule out the possibility of attempts to destabilize the situation in Russia, similar to the situation in Belarus and Kyrgyzstan, and threatened those who called for rallies on January 23 with administrative responsibility. On January 21, Moscow detained lawyers of the Anti-Corruption Foundation (recognized in Russia as a "foreign agent" - we indicate this on YouTube at the request of the Russian authorities) Vladlena Losyapo and Lyubov Sobol, and the police came to the home of Alexei Navalny's press secretary Kira Yarmysh, and to the editor-in-chief of Mediazona, Sergei Smirnov, and the host of Echo of Moscow, Alexander Plyushchev. Political scientist Arkady Dubnov analyzed the Kremlin's policy on the air of Dozhd. In his opinion, on January 23, the authorities will act according to the old strategy. Dubnov believes that the power structures will "demonstratively show their resources" therefore, during an uncoordinated action in Moscow, the city center will be filled with special equipment and paddy wagons. According to him, the Kremlin is pursuing a short-sighted policy, and President Vladimir Putin is "shielded from the real situation." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDmW2SIHo1s

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_ePT7EWAMA


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    Post  kvs Thu 21 Jan 2021, 21:39



    50 new "Putin palaces".

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    Post  Hole Thu 21 Jan 2021, 22:39

    Just to sum up the sources of this BS: Navalny, Moscow Times, Echo of Moscow = NATO/EU poodles. They lie about the weather why should anyone believe anything they say?

    Yeah, Putin is shielded from reality. You can see it clearly when he answers questions from the people or western MSM repeaters. He doesn´t no anything about the real world.
    Rolling Eyes
    End sarcasm-mode.

    If someone plans to hold a rally without proper permission he is liabel in countries like France. Why shouldn´t Russia hold someone like that responsible?

    To the russian youth turning into pro-Nato puppets: in the last election something like 3 quarters of the young voters gave Putin their vote. It gave the westerners shivers down their backs.

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    Post  LMFS Fri 22 Jan 2021, 01:06

    Tsavo Lion wrote:
    I know who Putin is. He is an opportunist from childhood who wanted to join the KGB & later got lucky to be chosen as Yeltsin's successor with B. Berezovsky's help.
    But this is OT; regarding Navalny, he is a case in point of Russia is being ruled by law . In other words, those who make & enforce Russian laws selectively bend them & rule the nation as they see fit to preserve their power, using the notion of "the rule of law" as a fig leaf to look clean. Fabricated cases against Navalny were used to prevent him from participating in elections against Putin & now to keep him in jail/prison to silence him .

    I better don't get started over that steaming pile of crap... you had proven until now to be unassailable to facts and logic, but this one really takes the prize No

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Fri 22 Jan 2021, 01:27

    you had proven until now to be unassailable to facts and logic,..
    I can say the same thing to u & a few other members here. Learn Russian to listen & read everything in the original- maybe that will help.
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    Post  LMFS Fri 22 Jan 2021, 02:50

    Tsavo Lion wrote:I can say the same thing to u & a few other members here. Learn Russian to listen & read everything in the original- maybe that will help.

    You keep delivering, stupid things are stupid regardless the language in which they are written...

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Fri 22 Jan 2021, 03:23

    Inanimate "things" r not stupid by themselves; often it's the people who can't perceive & analyze them. DON'T BOTHER TO REPLY.
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    Post  GarryB Fri 22 Jan 2021, 07:07

    Calls for unsanctioned rallies should be labeled as an act to foment Insurrection.

    Calls to attend a rally that does not have permission to take place is essentially asking people to break the law... inciting criminal activity is a clear and obvious reason to take down the site that permits it.

    Regarding all this stuff about Putins Palace, do you people not understand that this might be a presidential get away but not owned by any one person.

    When Putin leaves office this will not be his criminal lair.

    So much speculation and bullshit by organisations and liars who just want to find dirt and smear shit on people they have no other reason to criticise or attack.

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Fri 22 Jan 2021, 07:34

    GarryB wrote:Regarding all this stuff about Putins Palace, do you people not understand that this might be a presidential get away but not owned by any one person.-if it was built for his exclusive use, to him it doesn't matter who officially owns it. But since the $ used in it's construction & maintenance were & r being essentially diverted by Putin's cronies w/o any legal & gov. oversight, it does matter to the opposition & the Russian people at large.
    When Putin leaves office this will not be his criminal lair.
    he may never leave office while alive; even if he does, unless he is killed/exiled in a coup, he'll remain the paramount leader (de-facto Czar-Emperor) like Nazarbayev, the palace will be viewed by many in the same way the Yanukovych residence, now Museum of Corruption, is viewed in Ukraine.
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    Post  LMFS Fri 22 Jan 2021, 12:10

    I would like to know why do we allow to clog the thread with demented fictions for which no freaking evidence exists and that make no sense for any sane mind regardless...

    The ex-oligarchs accusing Putin (they guy that reigned them in) of being... one oligarch. Yes, the issue we are talking about is that stupid, but maybe not as much as lefties and commies attacking the guy that finished the oligarchic gang rape of Russia. And this "fight against corruption" is supposed to be totally unrelated to the West's struggle against Russia or demands from EU parliament of stopping NS2 over Navalny's arrest. I wonder if some people have something inside of their skull, really.

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    Post  Maximmmm Fri 22 Jan 2021, 14:04

    Hmm I like the idea of replacing the Sochi residence, considering Gelendzhik is further north and less crowded (although believe me it's far too crowded for how small that place is nowadays, it was nice 15 years ago).
    I mean I'd rather the government spend money on a presidential residence than funding terrorist organizations like the US does.

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    Post  miketheterrible Fri 22 Jan 2021, 15:02

    Ask this question:

    If Navalnys life was in danger because Putin wanted him dead, then why did Germany let Navalnys leave? Not a peep from them regarding this.

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    Post  par far Fri 22 Jan 2021, 15:51

    This is a time when stricter rules can be made, why not ban Twitter, Facebook and other western online crap. My guess is that this way the intelligence agencies see who is doing what and act accordingly.

    https://southfront.org/on-the-eve-of-russian-revolt/

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    Anyone who was alive in Russia in the late 1990's knows what the situation was - it was dire. There was no way anyone could come into power and seize control from the London/DC backed oligarch clan who controlled everything including the media without being A) Very cunning and B) Playing a little dirty. The real question isn't whether Putin is fit for sainthood, or even if he is "corrupt"; it is whether his authority improved the future for Russia. Had he not come to power, Russia was on a path to disintegration as prophesized (and hoped for) by the likes of Brzezinski. It is ironic that the same Russian liberals who bemoan "Putin's palaces" had no problem with Gusinzky's, Berezovsky's, Khodorkovsky's, or Abramovich's palaces. It's not like they cured cancer to make their billions - they allegedly rigged auctions to strip the assets of the country leaving 150 million impoverished people behind. No moral outrage from liberals back then or now. There is some pathology in the Russian liberal mindset that is set to self-destruction.

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