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    Post  kvs on Wed Oct 07, 2020 9:56 pm

    Hole wrote:https://southfront.org/navalnys-novichok-poisoning-fairy-tales-collapse-under-pressure-of-evidence/

    The findings aren´t that clear at all. Twisted Evil

    One more link:

    http://johnhelmer.net/

    This is all total BS since Navalny would easily be exposed to traces of the purported "novichoke" after landing in Germany. They can't prove he got exposed in Russia.

    Also, Navalny utterly lacks any symptoms of neurotoxin exposure. So these "tests" are measuring samples that have no meaning as a poison. This is rather direct
    proof of a cheap frame job.

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    Post  GarryB on Thu Oct 08, 2020 5:17 am

    Either way... if you claim to find evidence of a crime and jump up and down demanding the police investigate, the obvious question the police are going to ask is can we see the evidence so we have an idea what we are looking for... if you refuse to then hand over that evidence they will likely tell you to stop wasting their time... which is what I think Russia should be doing now.
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    Post  Hole on Thu Oct 08, 2020 12:22 pm

    The western MSM "reports" that the OPCW found "Novichok" but in the statement they only mention "a chemical" and "biomarkers". This is like claiming that a Smart is a tank.
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    Post  kvs on Thu Oct 08, 2020 4:01 pm

    Hole wrote:The western MSM "reports" that the OPCW found "Novichok" but in the statement they only mention "a chemical" and "biomarkers". This is like claiming that a Smart is a tank.

    They refuse to offer up any evidence they claim to have as proof since they know that Russia will establish that this "novichoke" is no
    strategic level chemical agent. In particular, the concentration of the alleged chemical warfare agent obtained from Navalny would indicate
    what dosage he was exposed to. This would expose the hoax outright since the clowns faking it would not have used a sophisticated
    model to create some tiny residual, but would have just used whatever they felt like. The concentrations are likely to be on the high
    side which would require that Navalny died instantly with severe convulsions at the location and time of the poisoning.

    The delayed reaction seen in Navalny is utterly inconsistent with the action of a neurotoxin and that is aside from his total lack of
    any symptoms of both nerve function disruption and damage.

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    Post  Hole on Thu Oct 08, 2020 9:05 pm

    The russian foreign ministry is getting angrier by the day. "No business as usual with Berlin and Paris." thumbsup

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    Post  GarryB on Fri Oct 09, 2020 6:21 am

    How often does this crap have to happen before they start looking elsewhere for trade and cooperation...
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    Post  Maximmmm on Fri Oct 09, 2020 11:37 am

    I have to say that even with the recent direct accusations and Navalny's retarded interviews, there's not too much traction in this case. Too many other things happening right now.
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    Post  flamming_python on Fri Oct 09, 2020 1:43 pm

    Maximmmm wrote:I have to say that even with the recent direct accusations and Navalny's retarded interviews, there's not too much traction in this case. Too many other things happening right now.

    Navalny's a nobody now. Just another Kasparov reduced to bitching to Western media. He's not even trying anymore. Clearly he doesn't want to risk his life further.

    Probs the Kremlin poisoned him after all. They knew what would happen with this CIA-disciple once back on home ground.

    Which leaves the door open for other types of opposition to grab the initiative instead of the standard sold-out liberal intelligencia - and I'm all for that.
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    Post  LMFS on Fri Oct 09, 2020 2:40 pm

    flamming_python wrote:Probs the Kremlin poisoned him after all.

    No

    They surely were shivering in panic due to Mr. 2%'s critical relevance in Russian politics, specially after he said he would close his platform. Really this is ridiculous beyond belief...

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    Post  kvs on Fri Oct 09, 2020 5:07 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    Maximmmm wrote:I have to say that even with the recent direct accusations and Navalny's retarded interviews, there's not too much traction in this case. Too many other things happening right now.

    Navalny's a nobody now. Just another Kasparov reduced to bitching to Western media. He's not even trying anymore. Clearly he doesn't want to risk his life further.

    Probs the Kremlin poisoned him after all. They knew what would happen with this CIA-disciple once back on home ground.

    Which leaves the door open for other types of opposition to grab the initiative instead of the standard sold-out liberal intelligencia - and I'm all for that.

    If the "Kremlin" poisoned him then it was not with novichoke or any real chemical warfare agent. So why all the BS about novichoke then?

    That this anti-Russian psyop flopped on its face does not imply that the "Kremlin" did it.

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    Post  LMFS on Fri Oct 09, 2020 5:25 pm

    kvs wrote:That this anti-Russian psyop flopped on its face does not imply that the "Kremlin" did it.

    This sounds like the usual commie paranoia, they are like the political equivalent of terraplanists. "Putin's oligarchic regime" must always be up to something shady no matter how absurd or plainly impossible it is...
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    Post  kvs on Fri Oct 09, 2020 5:38 pm

    LMFS wrote:
    kvs wrote:That this anti-Russian psyop flopped on its face does not imply that the "Kremlin" did it.

    This sounds like the usual commie paranoia, they are like the political equivalent of terraplanists. "Putin's oligarchic regime" must always be up to something shady no matter how absurd or plainly impossible it is...

    "Putin's oligarchic regime" has been doing more for Russia than the failed experiment called the USSR could ever hope to dream. That is
    why Putin is demonized. If he was a good little stooge like Yeltsin, we would hear the singing of the praises. Like with the LA Times calling
    Yeltsin a "palpable humanitarian". What a joke. Under Yeltsin people were sent to do hard jail time for stealing some bread to eat because
    they were starving on account of his shock therapy voodoo economics designed by the Harvard Boyz to serve yanqui imperial interests.
    During "tyrant" Putin's 1st term we saw actual reform for the judicial system with the introduction of probation and jury trials and the
    release of over 180,000 prisoners reducing substantially Russia's per capita prison population which under Yeltsin grew to rival that of
    the USA. According to Navalny, Yeltsin's real tyranny was the golden age of Russian democracy. And corruption only appeared after
    Putin took over....

    Only in the Russia hating NATzO west would a loser who makes such claims be expected to be the "leader of the opposition". Because
    the NATzO west wallows in wishful thinking and projection. And its leaders really think that they can create reality through the force
    of their wills.



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    Post  flamming_python on Sat Oct 10, 2020 2:29 pm

    LMFS wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:Probs the Kremlin poisoned him after all.

    No

    They surely were shivering in panic due to Mr. 2%'s critical relevance in Russian politics, specially after he said he would close his platform. Really this is ridiculous beyond belief...

    Discontent in Russia has been rising and in such a time the people may turn to any charlatan

    Navalny is out of the equation at least for the foreseeable future.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Oct 10, 2020 2:44 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    LMFS wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:Probs the Kremlin poisoned him after all.

    No

    They surely were shivering in panic due to Mr. 2%'s critical relevance in Russian politics, specially after he said he would close his platform. Really this is ridiculous beyond belief...

    Discontent in Russia has been rising and in such a time the people may turn to any charlatan...

    Government should mitigate this by organizing a program to send each and every one of it's citizens abroad to live for several months

    Insane work hours, non existent housing ownership, crazy high rents and all associated stuff should help build character and loyalty

    Russians have highest housing ownership rate on the planet but they don't seem to be able to appreciate such trivialities

    Reminder is always welcome



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    Post  miketheterrible on Sat Oct 10, 2020 3:14 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    LMFS wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:Probs the Kremlin poisoned him after all.

    No

    They surely were shivering in panic due to Mr. 2%'s critical relevance in Russian politics, specially after he said he would close his platform. Really this is ridiculous beyond belief...

    Discontent in Russia has been rising and in such a time the people may turn to any charlatan

    Navalny is out of the equation at least for the foreseeable future.

    Discontent isn't rising. What's rising is the number of retards who think it is because they read twitter.

    The issue is, it's easily noticeable now thanks to social media.

    It isn't more than it ever was. Worst would be 1917, 2011 and 1993.

    Point is navalny was never a threat.

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    Post  GarryB on Sun Oct 11, 2020 3:01 am

    I still might send a CV though... Razz
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    Post  JohninMK on Sun Oct 11, 2020 11:47 am

    John Helmer takes the whole thing apart.


    http://johnhelmer.org/urine-blood-hearsay-opcw-report-gives-the-german-game-away-reveals-no-novichok-weapon-no-navalny-crime/

    http://johnhelmer.org/i-am-russia-navalny-story-collapses-in-self-contradiction/
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    Post  Regular on Sun Oct 11, 2020 5:49 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:
    LMFS wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:Probs the Kremlin poisoned him after all.

    No

    They surely were shivering in panic due to Mr. 2%'s critical relevance in Russian politics, specially after he said he would close his platform. Really this is ridiculous beyond belief...

    Discontent in Russia has been rising and in such a time the people may turn to any charlatan...

    Government should mitigate this by organizing a program to send each and every one of it's citizens abroad to live for several months

    Insane work hours, non existent housing ownership, crazy high rents and all associated stuff should help build character and loyalty

    Russians have highest housing ownership rate on the planet but they don't seem to be able to appreciate such trivialities

    Reminder is always welcome




    Russians who go abroad in UK, Germany, Switzerlandв usually stay there for longer than looking about.
    Russians unlike like Balts or Poles tend do very well and don't work in factories. They don't see long working hours, they are not plebs. My property in Tenerife is rented by Russians who have yachts there too, my house project was designed by Russian (also Starover, what a small world) and he hates west and f#@gs, but he wouldn't have chance to do most of the work he does in Europe. (mostly UNESCO objects @ age of 27)

    Only reason why russians leave West is not these things. It's fgotry, pederastism, pedofilia, islam and economic/sociatial collapse.
    And like FP, most of them eventually come back.

    But yes, poor people in Russia are only poor because they are lazy or they simply don't care as they are too comfy. Plenty of startups are doing very well, corona also made remote working very easy, don't need to relocate to Moscow.
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    Post  GarryB on Mon Oct 12, 2020 4:37 am

    But yes, poor people in Russia are only poor because they are lazy or they simply don't care as they are too comfy.

    Ha ha ha ha ha... that is really funny... in the west poor people are poor because they are lazy or stupid or criminals that can get better jobs... that is what Americans were told in the 1980s... work hard like a stupid drone and make millions for the company you work for and you will be rich as well... bullshit.

    The western work structure is if you work for yourself you can make money but there is enormous risk... but also the potential for enormous reward.

    Very rich people like Trump has failed several times... most have been bankrupt, most have lost big on some deals, but the key is to learn from your mistakes and not be afraid to take advantage of new opportunities... it is something western education does not cater well to and never did... most of the very richest people didn't do well at school... many were drop outs... not because they were stupid but because they took risks and took chances... the difference between a poor person and a rich person is often just one had chances and took them and won, while the other didn't take those chances or never saw those chances when they presented themselves because they had their heads down working and didn't notice.

    Poor people tend to do most of the work, but as modern western businesses are based on Pyramid schemes the people at the bottom doing all the work get the minimum wage while the CEOs at the top get much better pay and all sorts of bonuses and perks... sometimes those CEOs used to be workers too and think they earned it, but there are always only a few CEOs and thousands of workers who never see that upper management easy street life.

    Programmes in Africa show that loans to help businesses start up that don't have crippling interest rates can help people spend money they don't have to begin with to make money and pay back the loan and hire people and expand a new business... all it took was that money investment... obviously a percentage will fail, but failure is only bad if you learn nothing from it.

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    Post  kvs on Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:28 pm

    Russia does not fit the western capitalist mold. It is more like South Korea and Japan. The sort of dire poverty characteristic of predatory
    capitalist systems we saw in the 1990s under Boris The Drunk Stooge Yeltsin is not normal for Russia. It is more normal for America.
    Putin has been off script since he took office(s) in 1999 and 2000. You could call Putin a Primakovist in the economic sense. Primakov
    manged to become Prime Minister for a while after the 1998 financial meltdown and implemented policies that basically gave the
    Harvard Boyz aneurysms. What Primakov managed to do is a historic event in Russia. Naturally totally ignored.

    So we have the positive aspects of Soviet culture surviving to some extent in Russia. The USSR was not a welfare state. People
    had to work for a living even if they were guaranteed jobs. The multi-generational welfare bum life found in the Canadian hinterland
    would be unthinkable in the USSR and in modern Russia. Of course, the legacy of the 1990s has not disappeared and capitalism has
    its negative side so every Russian is not rich and living it up. But as I posted before in one of the threads, the poorest Russian
    is much better off than the poorest American. That reflects the Russian culture and not just some Soviet residue.

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    Post  LMFS on Sun Oct 18, 2020 3:58 am

    More about a grifter's life Rolling Eyes

    https://www.stalkerzone.org/how-the-main-fighter-against-corruption-in-russia-stole-372775000-rubles-from-the-population/

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    Post  kvs on Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:14 am

    LMFS wrote:More about a grifter's life  Rolling Eyes

    https://www.stalkerzone.org/how-the-main-fighter-against-corruption-in-russia-stole-372775000-rubles-from-the-population/

    Navalny is the perfect stooge. He has compromat on him that allows his handlers to effectively control him. America would have
    it no other way. BTW, Yeltsin's family was corrupt and stashed huge sums of money offshore. But you would never hear this
    from the western MSM, instead you will have tin foil hat fiction about Putin's "billions". Putin is demonized precisely because he
    is not corrupt and cannot be controlled from Washington and London.

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    Post  kvs on Sun Oct 18, 2020 4:37 pm

    Wow, just wow. It turns out that Deutschland and the other NATzO clown states "proved" the use of novichoke by
    the measurement certain break down products. Well, those break down products can result from alcohol consumption and
    various medications.

    The breakdown products are cholinesterase inhibitors that block the breakdown of acetylcholine and thus lock up
    nerve cell signal transmission in a sort of "short circuit".

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cholinesterase_inhibitor

    The amount of these inhibitors must have been low enough for Navalny to show no symptoms.

    This is why these clowns refuse to show their "evidence". They have no proof that the break down products come from
    any nerve agent.

    Also, the Wikicrappia article is too quick with its "authoritative" blaming:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VX_(nerve_agent)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A-234_(nerve_agent)

    VX which is supposedly similar to novichoke in terms of chemical properties, is not volatile and would be detectable from the victim's samples.
    They have not established an actual nerve agent from any testing on Navalny.



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    Post  Regular on Sun Oct 18, 2020 7:48 pm

    What if someone gave him ricin instead?

    If someone wanted him dead they could have used very easily obtainable and what it seems more deadly and less detectable poison or I am missing something?
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    Post  kvs on Sun Oct 18, 2020 7:59 pm

    Regular wrote:What if someone gave him ricin instead?

    If someone wanted him dead they could have used very easily obtainable and what it seems more deadly and less detectable poison or I am missing something?

    Navalny could have been poisoned with an uncountable number of poisons and even hormones such as insulin. But NATzO is digging in with its
    novichoke BS. This is good evidence that NATzO was behind the poisoning of Navalny.

    1) Navalny's moment in the limelight was fading and his endless yapping about the Yeltsin "golden years" made him into a national joke.

    2) Along comes Putin, in the NATzO propaganda narrative, and poisons him in an attempt to remove some sort of serious political opponent
    ("leader of the Russian opposition" as claimed by the NATzO mass media) and restores focus on him almost like Putin was hired by Navalny
    to resurrect his career.

    Only NATzO saps can swallow such drivel and think it is plausible.


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