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    Post  Maximmmm on Thu Sep 24, 2020 1:11 am

    To me the most remarkable thing with all of this has been that a lot of people who weren't necessarily his supporters, but also thought he was doing a good job with his anti-corruption campaigns are now on the side of calling him out as a puppet and an idiot.
    Whether he was involved in setting up this provocation or not, I don't think he's realized that his credibility with a large portion of people who were aware of him has evaporated. If he did, he would have called for an independent investigation, decried the blame game that is in full swing everywhere, renounced any EU support and defended his country's innocence for once. Had he done that, it would have actually propelled him to new heights. But now? I mean he'll always have the 14 year olds and the Moscow Uni students I guess...

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    Post  Big_Gazza on Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:40 pm

    Maximmmm wrote:To me the most remarkable thing with all of this has been that a lot of people who weren't necessarily his supporters, but also thought he was doing a good job with his anti-corruption campaigns are now on the side of calling him out as a puppet and an idiot.
    Whether he was involved in setting up this provocation or not, I don't think he's realized that his credibility with a large portion of people who were aware of him has evaporated. If he did, he would have called for an independent investigation, decried the blame game that is in full swing everywhere, renounced any EU support and defended his country's innocence for once. Had he done that, it would have actually propelled him to new heights. But now? I mean he'll always have the 14 year olds and the Moscow Uni students I guess...

    Corrupt hateful comprador idiots like Navalny will always end up hoisted by their own petard, and I call it poetic justice.

    What a despicable ****.  Fuck him.

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    Post  miketheterrible on Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:51 pm

    https://www.rt.com/russia/501510-russia-calls-opcw-navalny-data-release/

    Seems Russia is demanding OPCW to make public Germany's "findings".

    Usually someone guilty wouldn't want the evidence made public.

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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Fri Sep 25, 2020 12:13 am

    John Helmer:

    Kai-Uwe Eckardt is the Berlin doctor thanked yesterday by Alexei Navalny for his “incredible job”.  Navalny will not explain what Eckhardt, an expert on diabetes and kidney transplant, did to treat ”Novichok poisoning”.
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    https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Kai_Uwe_Eckardt

    https://twitter.com/bears_with/status/1309025255797784578

    Navalny is naked in Berlin, as Navalnaya and Pevchikh contradict each other on what happened to his clothes in Omsk – in Tomsk the evening before.
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    http://johnhelmer.net/a-tale-of-two-bottles-navalny-poison-slowest-acting-weapon-in-assassination-history/#more-40359

    https://twitter.com/bears_with/status/1308664875871240192
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    Post  miketheterrible on Fri Sep 25, 2020 4:43 pm

    Yeah, this is becoming a huge joke. A diabetes specialist cures novichok?

    Give me a fucking break.

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    Post  GarryB on Sat Sep 26, 2020 6:55 am

    If they have evidence and they want this to be investigated then why would they not hand over the evidence to see justice done.

    If it is because they don't trust the Russian government then why are they demanding they do an investigation in the first place.

    Plus if every western lab can immediately determine even trace amounts of novachok does that not mean it is hardly an exclusive soviet toxin that proves Putin ordered the hit?
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    Post  kvs on Sat Sep 26, 2020 1:59 pm

    GarryB wrote:If they have evidence and they want this to be investigated then why would they not hand over the evidence to see justice done.

    If it is because they don't trust the Russian government then why are they demanding they do an investigation in the first place.

    Plus if every western lab can immediately determine even trace amounts of novachok does that not mean it is hardly an exclusive soviet toxin that proves Putin ordered the hit?

    Too much logic for the typical MSM consumer sap. Who needs logic when "in all likelihood" assertions are good enough?

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Sat Sep 26, 2020 7:39 pm

    GarryB wrote:If they have evidence and they want this to be investigated then why would they not hand over the evidence to see justice done.

    If it is because they don't trust the Russian government then why are they demanding they do an investigation in the first place.

    Plus if every western lab can immediately determine even trace amounts of novachok does that not mean it is hardly an exclusive soviet toxin that proves Putin ordered the hit?

    No Novichok isn't Russian exclusive.

    1. the guy who made it published how to make it in a book and I could for example buy this book off Amazon. Of course, knowing how to make it is one thing, you need equipment only governments would have to actually produce the stuff. It's not something you can make at home.

    2. The Lab where it was originally made was cleaned out by Europeans a long time ago. They got paid to clean the site up etc.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Sat Sep 26, 2020 7:47 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:Yeah, this is becoming a huge joke. A diabetes specialist cures novichok?

    Give me a fucking break.

    You should do proper research. the guy isn't a diabetes specialist but an expert in Kidneys.

    Novichok does attack the Kidneys, that said. A Nephrology expert while might be able to help somewhat would still need assistance from other specialists who deal in with weapons-grade toxic agents of that nature.

    So it's unlikely he could have cured it on his own, That also said. He could have simply sent the data to specialists for the information he needed.

    It's not unreasonable someone in his field long as they got data from others could treat someone with Novichok.
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    Post  LMFS on Sat Sep 26, 2020 10:14 pm

    Enough bullshit about kidneys. Interview with the main developer:

    https://ria.ru/20200925/novichok-1577748393.html
    https://ria.ru/20200926/provokatsiya-1577793947.html

    - And how much "Novice" is needed to lethally poison a person?

    - Multiply one thousandth of a milligram by a kilogram of a person's weight. I'm talking roughly. It depends on the method of introduction into the body - through the skin, through the stomach, intravenously, intramuscularly, and so on. Therefore, if Navalny was poisoned by the Novichok, he would not have reached any plane, if he drank something in the hotel, because his eyes would have closed and he would not have been able to get on the plane, anywhere. This is 100 percent, I say.
    By the way, the effectiveness of the Novichok was strongly comparable to an atomic weapon of the same volume or weight. But it was much cheaper, and if it were used, the entire material part of the enemy would remain intact. All houses, all equipment. It would only be necessary to wash them, and could be used for their own purposes, so we were faced with the task of quickly decomposing the mixture. She didn't need a long life.

    - That is, it was developed as a means of mass destruction, and not a means to eliminate individuals?

    - Of course not. In order to eliminate one person, there are means that are orders of magnitude more effective, which have a delayed toxicity for any planned period: a week, more, less. They can be used in such quantities that no one will ever find traces of them.

    - So, in the end, what causes "Novice"? Cardiac arrest, respiratory arrest?

    - These are convulsive substances that, due to the interruption of the nerve impulse, cause muscle cramps, especially the eye muscles. That is, the eye muscles show a constriction of the pupil, it becomes practically invisible even with such small doses of "Novichok", when there is practically no poisoning. This symptom appears immediately. According to Navalny's photographs before the plane, on the plane, after the plane, in the hospital, on the way to the second plane that took him to Germany, this is not the case. Guys, where is miosis? We are professionals and we know that we cannot do without it.
    By the way, the same was the case with the Skripals. There was no reason to believe they had phosphorus poisoning. Moreover, the British authorities, inadvertently or through their stupidity, revealed what happened to them. Remember the interview with Skripal's daughter? She had a scar on her throat. This is called a tracheotomy. It is done when all the muscles do not contract, like from phosphorus, but relax, like from fentanyls, so the tongue relaxes, plugs the larynx and you need to make a hole through which a person can breathe. The mechanism of action is completely opposite to the "Newbie". By the way, in the morning, on the day of the Skripal poisoning, there was a report in Salisbury about an overdose of 12 people with fentanyl (Synthetic opioid. - Ed.). Among them were two Russians. 10 people were treated for an overdose, and two were "prescribed" phosphorus poisoning. In other words, the same movie,that in the case of Navalny, when they write about the bottle at Navalny, and about the bottle in Salisbury. Lord, this bottle is enough, forgive me, make all Salisbury a fraternal cemetery.

    LOL, the West is so full of censored

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    Post  kvs on Sun Sep 27, 2020 2:38 am

    Multiply one thousandth of a milligram by a kilogram of a person's weight.

    So the amount of novichoke supposedly smeared on the bottle he drank from would have been fully lethal.   If a typical male weights 90 kg then
    it would take 90 micrograms to kill him.    Even 30 micrograms would fully disable via convulsions and likely coma.  

    In case it is not clear what amounts we are dealing with, consider the volume of 1 microgram (ug) of water.  One kg of water takes up one liter.  
    There are 1/1e-9 ug of water in a liter or 1 billion.   Sarin has a density of 1.09 g/cm3 which is close to water.   Novichoke could have more but
    unlikely to be over 5 g/cm3.    That would give it a volume up to five times smaller than water for the same mass.    Instead of 90 nano-liters,
    it would have 18 nano-liters for a fully lethal dose and 6 nano-liters for a coma dose.    

    How would some field agent apply 6 - 90 nano-liters of any sort of substance to a bottle?   That is physically impossible without taking the bottle
    to a lab.   Designing some nano-volume applicator to take out Navalny is ridiculous.   At this stage if Navalny got a couple of bullets in the head,
    it would not make any difference as far as NATzO hate propaganda is concerned.    So Russian engineers are creating bleeding edge tech just
    to off some clown when, as noted in the cited text, there are all sorts of delayed reaction chemicals that can be applied without using nano-volume
    amounts of some over-potent nerve agent?

    Anyway, the key detail is that Navalny has not exhibited any evidence of nerve damage.   Novichoke is supposed to induce severe nerve damage
    causing convulsions and death.   But Navalny got treated by a diabetes doctor.   What a f*cking stupid joke of a hoax.   They should have at least
    consulted a neural specialist.

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    Post  GarryB on Sun Sep 27, 2020 12:27 pm

    Highly likely is bandied about as evidence in the UK, but the obvious highly likely where a claim that a highly deadly nerve agent supposedly effects a very small group of people in a small English town very near to their national laboratory for testing and investigating such material... Porton Down...


    Well the obvious highly likely is a leak, which should have killed lots of people, or a conspiracy to hide some bullshit political games just before the Russians had the Soccer World Cup... which of these two is highly likely.... hmmm....
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    Post  kvs on Sun Sep 27, 2020 6:45 pm

    GarryB wrote:Highly likely is bandied about as evidence in the UK, but the obvious highly likely where a claim that a highly deadly nerve agent supposedly effects a very small group of people in a small English town very near to their national laboratory for testing and investigating such material... Porton Down...


    Well the obvious highly likely is a leak, which should have killed lots of people, or a conspiracy to hide some bullshit political games just before the Russians had the Soccer World Cup... which of these two is highly likely....    hmmm....

    It is highly likely that millenial fake stream media consumers are too stupid to see through the BS. That is why this cheeseball propaganda has become "normal". Funny how
    during the USSR period these crappy stories were never peddled. Most people back then had functional brains and could see through such crap. So KGB assassinations
    were described as involving staged car accidents, poisoned stabbing with umbrellas or other realistic scenarios. Now we have drivel about door knobs and bottles smeared
    with a neurotoxin that kills in doses of tens of micrograms. Recall the perfume bottle nonsense in the Skripal case? A perfume bottle of novichoke would have killed tens of
    thousands of people. So why carry such grossly excessive amounts?

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    Post  Maximmmm on Mon Sep 28, 2020 8:35 pm

    kvs wrote:
    GarryB wrote:Highly likely is bandied about as evidence in the UK, but the obvious highly likely where a claim that a highly deadly nerve agent supposedly effects a very small group of people in a small English town very near to their national laboratory for testing and investigating such material... Porton Down...


    Well the obvious highly likely is a leak, which should have killed lots of people, or a conspiracy to hide some bullshit political games just before the Russians had the Soccer World Cup... which of these two is highly likely....    hmmm....

    It is highly likely that millenial fake stream media consumers are too stupid to see through the BS.   That is why this cheeseball propaganda has become "normal".    Funny how
    during the USSR period these crappy stories were never peddled.   Most people back then had functional brains and could see through such crap.   So KGB assassinations
    were described as involving staged car accidents, poisoned stabbing with umbrellas or other realistic scenarios.    Now we have drivel about door knobs and bottles smeared
    with a neurotoxin that kills in doses of tens of micrograms.   Recall the perfume bottle nonsense in the Skripal case?   A perfume bottle of novichoke would have killed tens of
    thousands of people.   So why carry such grossly excessive amounts?  


    More harmful than overall stupidity is that people nowadays think that they live in some sort of lala land where geopolitical conflict isn't real. Talk to any European in the west and they're all full of mealy-mouthed idealism that is the product of their schooling. Back in the day people realized that there was a great power competition going on, nowadays they pretend like it's just Russia that's trying to spoil some sort of amazing peace they've built because they're so kind and smart.

    As for Navalny, looks like the guy was visited by Merkel, so can people just stop with the whole "I'm a Russian, I don't affiliate with western political influencers" shit? God it's so transparent it hurts.

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    Post  kvs on Mon Sep 28, 2020 9:39 pm

    The best theory I have heard so far is that Navalny got a couple of drops of pure insulin dropped in his drink. This put him in a diabetic coma.
    This is by far the most consistent theory with the observational data. His total lack of nerve damage symptoms and his treatment by diabetes
    specialists.

    In this case the amount of insulin involved is large enough that a human can manipulate some simple device, drop applicator, to stage the poisoning.
    Also, it looks like the dose was not random but small enough not to kill him:

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3354941/

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    Post  kvs on Thu Oct 01, 2020 11:14 pm

    If it is not obvious already, Navalny is a retard. He is claiming that Putin poisoned him personally. If Putin was so bent on poisoning you,
    you retarded fuck, then you would have been offed 15 years ago and today you would be six feet under.

    This sort of libel and slander should not be allowed. A criminal case should be waiting for Navalny just over this if he ever dares to go
    back to Russia. I think it would be a good idea to launch several criminal cases that have never been pursued to please EU-tardia
    against this 5th column clown and watch him seek refugee status in NATzO. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

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    Post  miketheterrible on Thu Oct 01, 2020 11:17 pm

    He already has a case against him anyway for tax evasion.

    Russian authorities are already openly calling him a CIA asset.

    He is at this point screwed.  After his little affair in Germany and how Russian people don't believe his narrative, he is done for back home.

    He will be living in the west.

    Edit: You will get a kick out of this.

    So Navalny claims he was poisoned by Putin. Libel. He provides no evidence of course.

    He is called a CIA stooge by Peskov.

    He flips and says he will sue Peskov.

    Funny thing is, to Sue Peskov he has to come back to Russia. Once he is back in Russia, he has charges against him anyway for Libel cases in the past. So he is in trouble anyway..

    Navalny says "if you have evidence, show it to the world". The thing is, I believe video's were already released in the past of him having meetings with US officials in "bars" and how it was recorded and exposed. Along with supposed audio leaks between him and Browder.

    So he may have actually set himself up.

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    Post  LMFS on Fri Oct 02, 2020 1:19 am

    miketheterrible wrote:He already has a case against him anyway for tax evasion.

    Russian authorities are already openly calling him a CIA asset.

    He is at this point screwed.  After his little affair in Germany and how Russian people don't believe his narrative, he is done for back home.

    He will be living in the west.

    He said he is going to sue Peskov for stating he works with CIA but he himself is accusing the President of the country to poison him without any proof... smart boy.

    BTW, I don't think Putin gives a f*ck about this idiot, and rightly so. Heads of state must be always above these kinds of provocations.

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    Post  miketheterrible on Fri Oct 02, 2020 1:38 am

    LMFS wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:He already has a case against him anyway for tax evasion.

    Russian authorities are already openly calling him a CIA asset.

    He is at this point screwed.  After his little affair in Germany and how Russian people don't believe his narrative, he is done for back home.

    He will be living in the west.

    He said he is going to sue Peskov for stating he works with CIA but he himself is accusing the President of the country to poison him without any proof... smart boy.

    BTW, I don't think Putin gives a f*ck about this idiot, and rightly so. Heads of state must be always above these kinds of provocations.

    He will have to enter Russia to sue Peskov. And he said he plans to return to Russia. Issue is, there are I believe 2 or more law suites pending against him. That range in the millions.
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    Post  kvs on Fri Oct 02, 2020 3:51 am

    The recent Memorial pedophile appeals case should send the right message to these vermin.   No bending of the law to cover your filthy asses.

    Navalny got off easy in the case of the corruption around the forestry activity in one of the oblasts together with a comprador local head.

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    Post  Maximmmm on Fri Oct 02, 2020 11:42 am

    kvs wrote:The recent Memorial pedophile appeals case should send the right message to these vermin.   No bending of the law to cover your filthy asses.

    Navalny got off easy in the case of the corruption around the forestry activity in one of the oblasts together with a comprador local head.

     

    I honest to god am appalled at people defending that pedophile, seriously these people are sick.
    But yeah, especially with all the rest of the stuff going on right now it seems like they freaked out that the Navalny thing almost lost traction so they had their puppet try and regain the spotlight by blaming Putin directly.
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    Post  Hole on Fri Oct 02, 2020 12:17 pm

    The west and his values. You are innocent until proven guilty. Well, if you are a russian it is the opposite.
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    Post  JohninMK on Fri Oct 02, 2020 1:05 pm

    Given that he seems to have shot his bolt, who is going to pay for his lifestyle/concubines etc for the rest of his life?

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    Post  miketheterrible on Fri Oct 02, 2020 3:39 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Given that he seems to have shot his bolt, who is going to pay for his lifestyle/concubines etc for the rest of his life?

    No one. He will be offed and they will blame Russia for it.
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    Post  Hole on Fri Oct 02, 2020 8:17 pm

    Poor fellow. cry

    lol!

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