Rowdyhorse4 wrote:Isos wrote:Russian navy isn't going to use shtil. It was already mounted on grigorovitvh which were upgraded of old soviet frigate meant for Indian navy. The fact is that they knew Gorshkov will take time to be ready so they ordered some of them.
The only other ships that can use shtil are Sovromenys which use older version. They can be upgraded with VLS (Chinese are doing this) but they won't as they will be replaced by gorshkovs.
But russia's main navy anti air defence systems will be Redut (Gorshkov and Steregouchy), and future S-400F ( for destroyers and cruiser, which is still not ready for naval use) and pantsir and tor for smaller vessels.
Concerning Nakhimov, I don't think it ill get Redut which is too "small" for such a ship. The VLS can't take bigger missiles like 48N6E, just 9M96. An upgrade to S-300FM is more usefull while S-400F is not ready, at least I never heard of a naval S-400. Redut is more navale S-350 than, like some articles say, a naval S-400.
It was said that the Nakhimov will be equipped with S-400PMU/Fs on her refit
There is no such thing as a 'S-400F' and won't be. You had the S-300F and then that sort of evolved into a more modular and flexible system with a smaller footprint - the Redut VLS. They're not going to take a step back from that now.
IMO it doesn't make too much sense to talk about S-300s/S-400s in the naval context. As S-300/400 battallions are composed not only of launch & reload vehicles, but search radars, tracking/engagement radars, command vehicles and other infrastructure. That's why it makes sense to call them these different designations.
However on a ship all of those functions are handled by the ship's sensors and control systems itself, and also via interfacing with other ships and whatever other assets.
So the only differentiation between a S-300 and S-400 that's left in the naval context - are the missiles themselves.
And the missiles of the S-300P/S-300F are being phased out along with these systems themselves, while the newer missiles have been unified between S-350, S-400 and Redut VLS (and partially S-300PMU); except for the fact that the largest missiles are only compatible with the S-400 launch vehicles, from what we know.
The Nakhimov will be equipped with Reduts; the only question is will those Reduts be compatible with the long and ultra-long range 48N6 series missiles. I would guess yes. Befitting a ship of its class.
Ideally it would have S-500 missiles; but as the S-500 is only going to be introduced on land by 2019 - the time-frame is way too tight to develop and test a naval version for the Nakhimov, along with all the radar and sensor modifications for that class of weapon.
Perhaps the Peter the Great will eventually get the S-500 on its next modernization.