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    Post  GarryB Mon Jul 18, 2011 6:45 am

    Here are some interesting photos:

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    This is the first set of photos I have seen of the AS-17/Kh-31 with a solid rocket booster to allow it to be fired from slow moving aircraft like Helos or Su-25TM type aircraft.

    This booster should allow a slow flying launch of this weapon allowing it to achieve normal flight performance from a slow and low launch.

    This would be a very potent weapon for a naval Ka-52 operating from a Mistral carrier for use against small to medium sized enemy ships.

    I have read that while the MA-31 anti ship test missile version the USN bought and used was not so reliable and had shorter range than they expected, they apparently tested it 17 times against defended targets and it hit all 17 times.

    So against a smaller less potent navy than the US such missiles are excellent and potent threats.

    Against the USN of course there will be problems getting close enough with a Kh-31 armed aircraft to launch the weapon let alone score a hit, but not all naval combat occurs in open ocean...
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    Post  medo Mon Jul 18, 2011 10:15 am

    You are right, this Kh-31 is interesting. If Russians actually managed to integrate Kh-31 missile with Ka-52 helicopter, than I think it could use both versions of Kh-31, anti-ship and anti-radar version. ESM suite in Ka-52 is in my opinion advanced enough that it could be used for anti-radar missile. Maybe they only need to modify radar in Ka-52 nose, that it could be used in anti-ship role. Ka-50 could use Kh-25 ASM, so Ka-52 for sure could use it also and if Ka-52 could have such heavy missile as Kh-31, than Kh-29 could also be integrated on Ka-52. Together with Hermes missiles Ka-52 could actually be a helicopter class as fighter-bomber class in airplanes.
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    Post  medo Mon Jul 18, 2011 10:45 am

    You are correct, higher this EO ball is placed, better visibility it have could see low flying or surface objects on longer distance. So the mast of the ship is proper place for it as well as for radar. Anyway, this complex could do a lot of functions and could be integrated with almost all weapons on the ship.
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    Post  Pervius Mon Jul 18, 2011 1:05 pm

    Pakistan and China have been working on some kind of data link for these types of missiles.

    They want to launch their YJ-93's (Kh-31 copy) from submarines and hit things over the horizon their reconnaissance might see and target. Launching them from submarines they will likely have bigger solid fuel stage for more range.


    Likely before it gets close enough to the ship for SeaRam to shoot at it, explosive charge in warhead "shotgun" fires many many depleted uranium rounds, they continue with extreme speed and rattle tin can ship with holes.

    No way to shoot down such a missile unless you take it out with airborne laser no?
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    Post  GarryB Tue Jul 19, 2011 4:50 am

    If Russians actually managed to integrate Kh-31 missile with Ka-52 helicopter, than I think it could use both versions of Kh-31, anti-ship and anti-radar version.ESM suite in Ka-52 is in my opinion advanced enough that it could be used for anti-radar missile.

    Certainly the anti radiation version should be easy to integrate as enemy radar emissions should be detectable I certainly agree with that.

    Maybe they only need to modify radar in Ka-52 nose, that it could be used in anti-ship role.

    For use against smaller enemy vessels that might be a threat to the Mistral platform I suspect a Ka-31 with Ka-52 combination might be more potent.

    Ka-50 could use Kh-25 ASM, so Ka-52 for sure could use it also and if Ka-52 could have such heavy missile as Kh-31, than Kh-29 could also be integrated on Ka-52.

    The Kh-38 is supposed to be the replacement for both the Kh-25 and Kh-29 with a range of 40km and a reasonable payload and a choice of terminal seekers. It is double the weight of a Kh-25 but then with 4 weapon pylons carrying 4 lighter weapons with shorter range or 4 heavier weapons with much longer range and heavier payloads I think the choice is clear.

    They want to launch their YJ-93's (Kh-31 copy) from submarines and hit things over the horizon their reconnaissance might see and target. Launching them from submarines they will likely have bigger solid fuel stage for more range.

    The missiles sold to China were older model Kh-31s and new models with double the range in both the anti ship and anti radar models are now available.

    A bigger solid fuel rocket will accelerate the missile to a slightly higher speed initially and perhaps allow it to gain more altitude which would improve range, but adding more fuel to the ramjet sustainer would be much more efficient in extending range.

    The newer model Kh-31s are slightly heavier but have double the range.

    Think in terms of a cruise missile with a kerosene powered jet engine that needs a solid fuel engine to get moving.

    The purpose of the solid fuel rocket is to start it moving... on the ground there is too much drag for its jet engine to get it moving and at zero speed its wings give no lift to help it.

    The solid rocket only burns for a few seconds... making it twice the size will increase its speed but will not greatly increase performance except in some cases.

    Once the solid fuelled rocket has lifted the missile off the ground it falls away and the large solid fuelled rocket down the centre of the missile ignites and accelerates the missile to a higher speed and altitude to where the ramjet engine can be started. The solid rocket engines burn for less than 15 seconds while the ramjet engine burns for minutes. Adding fuel to the ramjet is a more efficient way to increase range... in the same way that a solid rocket booster to get a heavy transport aircraft airborne from a short strip makes sense, but to double the rocket boosters to try to extend the flight range of the transport aircraft does not make sense. It makes more sense to slightly increase the rocket boosters and use that extra energy to add more fuel to the transport to extend its flight range once airborne.

    The SA-19 uses a small slim low drag missile that is launched by a booster. The original booster accelerated the SA-19 to 1,000m/s and then falls away and a small very low power rocket motor on the SA-19 starts up to reduce drag and maintain speed to the target area.

    It has a range of about 8-12km depending on the model. The Pantsir-S1 has a larger more powerful rocket motor that accelerates the missile to 1.3km/s which doubles the range of the low drag missile to 20km.

    The difference here is that the Kh-31 is not a low drag design rocket and derives most of its range from its ramjet engine. The purpose of the solid fuelled rocket is not to get the Kh-31 to the target, it is to accelerate the weapon to a speed where its ramjet engine can be started from stationary (helos) or slow moving targets (aircraft) operating at relatively low altitude.

    Likely before it gets close enough to the ship for SeaRam to shoot at it, explosive charge in warhead "shotgun" fires many many depleted uranium rounds, they continue with extreme speed and rattle tin can ship with holes.

    SEA RAM would probably start engaging at 9km which is too far for a shotgun warhead to be effective.

    I see that the Russian navy is ready to introduce the naval version of Pantsir-S1 to their new ships and ships for export, so that means 20km range missiles... in fact the news report is here:

    The Russian Navy will soon receive a new ship-based gun/missile air defense system, KBP Instrument Design Bureau, the developer of the system, said on Monday.

    The system, dubbed Pantsyr-M, has been developed on the basis of the land-based Pantsyr-S1 (SA-22 Greyhound).

    "Pantsyr-M will replace the Kortik air defense systems and will be installed on all new classes of Russian combat ships, from corvettes to cruisers," said Alexander Zhukov, a senior KBP official.

    Zhukov cited specifications for an export version of Pantsyr-M as the data on the system for the Russian Navy is still classified.

    The export Pantsyr-ME version has a response time of 3-5 seconds and can track and destroy simultaneously up to four targets.

    Its missiles have a range of 20 kilometers and can hit targets at altitudes from 2 meters to 15 kilometers, while its guns have a range of four kilometers and can hit targets at altitudes up to 3 kilometres.

    source: http://en.rian.ru/mlitary_news/20110718/165263833.html

    Response time is impressive and the ability to take on 4 targets at once is also impressive with the range of 20km and altitude from 2m to 15km makes it a very potent system for small vessels, while for larger vessels it will be even more useful with multiple turrets managed and coordinated with larger longer range systems (radar and missiles).
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    Post  Austin Sun Jul 29, 2012 7:39 pm

    Good Details on Brahmos and what ex US Navy officer think about Russian Brahmos and Sunburn

    If nothing else, Russian involvement in the program should give us pause. Westerners have long ridiculed Soviet-built hardware, but the Soviet Navy was asymmetric before asymmetric warfare was cool. Soviet weapons scientists and engineers displayed impressive ingenuity, fielding an imposing array of anti-ship missiles. Some remain in service today, bedeviling prospective opponents. For instance, Sovremenny-class guided-missile destroyers transferred to China’s navy sport SS-N-22 Sunburn ASCMs designed to evade or overpower Aegis-equipped destroyers and cruisers. With its high speed and capacity to make radical evasive maneuvers during its terminal phase of flight, the Sunburn kept American air defenders up nights during my time in uniform—and doubtless still does so today. To all appearances, the BrahMos is cast in the same mold.

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    Post  KomissarBojanchev Wed Aug 29, 2012 12:29 am

    some people say that the P-270 could actually be carried by aircraft including the Su-33 while others say its ship-borne only. However the other official designation of this missile is kh-41 so that means its an air-to-surface weapon too.

    I would really appreciate some pictures of the moskit loaded on to an aircraft so I can prove its AS capability scratch
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    Post  GarryB Wed Aug 29, 2012 5:17 am

    The Moskits shown at airshows suggest an air lunched variant... But I am not so sure they ever actually developed it into an operational weapon.

    By the end of the 1980s they were already working on the Onyx and its Yakhont relative... after the Onyx was developed I really can't see them developing air launched Moskit.

    Moskit is not much bigger than Onyx, buy Onyx is significantly lighter... 4.5 ton vs about 2.5 ton in the air launched models.

    I have seen video of a very large belly mounted missile being launched from an Su-34, but couldn't tell if it was Moskit or Yakhont/Onyx.
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    Post  Viktor Wed Aug 29, 2012 12:09 pm

    Some of the MIG-31 where able to carry Kh-41.
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    Post  SOC Wed Aug 29, 2012 9:58 pm

    Viktor wrote:Some of the MIG-31 where able to carry Kh-41.

    I think you're confusing the Moskit with the MiG-31D's Vympel-made ASAT.
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    Post  Viktor Thu Aug 30, 2012 2:39 am

    SOC wrote:
    Viktor wrote:Some of the MIG-31 where able to carry Kh-41.

    I think you're confusing the Moskit with the MiG-31D's Vympel-made ASAT.

    Perhaps, althrow I remember seeing Kh-41 "parked" by MIG-31 on some display the same way as we sow 3M-14E "parked" by MIG-31 on MAKS-2007.
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    Post  GarryB Thu Aug 30, 2012 6:20 am

    Might have been a joke...

    The Mig-31 would not be tasked with any mission that would require Kh-41s.

    The main carrier aircraft of such a weapon would be the Tu-22M3, but as posted on another thread the Tu-22M3 had the Kh-22M and now has the Kh-32 which exceeds the performance (and weight) of the Moskit.

    There were plans for a naval Su-32, and talk of the Su-33 carrying the 4.5 ton 9m long missile, but considering the lack of money during the period I rather doubt they even actually bothered.

    By the time they had the money they also had the Onyx, which is a more powerful missile.

    The Chinese bought the Sunburn for their ships, which AFAIK are their only customer... as such vessels leave the Russian Naval inventory the requirement for the air launched model becomes less important.

    If they haven't integrated it by now I doubt they will unless an export customer wants to pay for it. It makes rather more sense to integrate the Onyx/Yakhont and Kalibr missiles as they are compatible with the UKSK launcher going into every armed Russian navy vessel of Corvette and larger size.

    The designation Kh-41 means it is an air launched model, whether it was every tested and integrated into an aircrafts inventory is debatable... the important thing is that the weapon is largely replaced by Brahmos/Onyx/Yakhont, which is available in air, land, sea surface, and sub launched models.
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    Post  Viktor Thu Aug 30, 2012 10:55 am

    Althrow MIG-31F/BM can be used in antiship role with its 6xKh-31A missiles.
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    Post  Austin Thu Oct 04, 2012 7:02 am

    Aircraft Carrier Killers - Malakhit, Bazalt, Granit, Oniks, Brahmos, Club-K

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-cm-f2JpiI
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    Post  Austin Sun Oct 07, 2012 6:32 pm

    Indeed the video is really nice , it really shows how far ahead in the race the Russians were when it comes to Anti-Ship missile when compared to ROW combined.

    Look at the time line when Shipwreck were introduced at a time when the best Western antiship missile Harpoon and Exocet could just be subsonic and short range and small warhead size .......the ShipWreck were not only Fast Supersonic i.e M 2.5 but also had a long range of more than 500 km , could talks to each other via MMW datalinks ( clearly WoW ! ) and not only share information about each other in flight but also about the target ....they could all share each other picture on target and about each other relation position wrt target.

    I mean these capability even after 30 years is really impressive as no other antiship missile even today can claim to have those capability ... to top it out it has ECM system to deal with SAM and could create false decoys !

    And P-500 had a dual IR and RF seeker


    Its a pity though Russian Oniks dont seems to have a dual mode seeker or an ability like Shipwreck to talk to each other ......neither does the Calbir.

    Hopefully with Zircon-S they take the best of all the anti-ship missile and develop it.
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    Post  TheArmenian Sun Oct 07, 2012 8:14 pm

    Austin wrote:
    Its a pity though Russian Oniks dont seems to have a dual mode seeker or an ability like Shipwreck to talk to each other .....

    Duh!...How can you say that? There is scant little information available about Oniks.
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    Post  GarryB Mon Oct 08, 2012 6:17 am

    I rather suspect that the Onyx has datalink capability... in fact I would say any Russian anti ship missile with a flight range that exceeds the radar horizon would by necessity have a datalink capability.

    The thing is that in addition to chatting to each other the missiles use the satellite that provided the initial target data to upload their radar view of the target back to the launch platform.

    I rather doubt that would be a feature they would include in the dedicated for export Yakhont AShM.

    Mostki doesn't need it with a range of less than 200km.
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    Post  Viktor Mon Oct 08, 2012 9:33 am

    Russia should advertise maritime targeting satellites with Yakhont/Brahmos class missiles as US does with Patriot.
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    Post  Austin Mon Oct 08, 2012 9:42 am

    TheArmenian wrote:
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    Its a pity though Russian Oniks dont seems to have a dual mode seeker or an ability like Shipwreck to talk to each other .....

    Duh!...How can you say that? There is scant little information available about Oniks.

    May be or May be not but atleast Brahmos does not have those datalink capability.

    Without having datalink capability and the intelligence to share the big picture . Oniks would be able to travel in group and target assets of CBG the way Shipwreck does.

    Russian havent advertised datalink or IIR sensors for Oniks
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    Post  TheArmenian Mon Oct 08, 2012 11:08 am

    Austin wrote:
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    Its a pity though Russian Oniks dont seems to have a dual mode seeker or an ability like Shipwreck to talk to each other .....

    Duh!...How can you say that? There is scant little information available about Oniks.

    May be or May be not but atleast Brahmos does not have those datalink capability.

    Without having datalink capability and the intelligence to share the big picture . Oniks would be able to travel in group and target assets of CBG the way Shipwreck does.

    Russian havent advertised datalink or IIR sensors for Oniks

    Exactly. As a matter of fact, the Russians haven't advertised anything for Oniks. That doesn't mean it does not have datalink or any other (secret) goodies.
    We simply can't discuss a subject by making assumptions on things we know nothing about.
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    Post  GarryB Tue Oct 09, 2012 9:16 am

    Russia should advertise maritime targeting satellites with Yakhont/Brahmos class missiles as US does with Patriot.

    Satellite time is expensive, and with the export limitations on range not really necessary.

    May be or May be not but atleast Brahmos does not have those datalink capability.

    Without having datalink capability and the intelligence to share the big picture . Oniks would be able to travel in group and target assets of CBG the way Shipwreck does.

    Russian havent advertised datalink or IIR sensors for Oniks

    Without a satellite link there is no way to target an Oniks at more than 400km range

    The Russians haven't advertised Oniks at all, it is not for sale. Only the down graded export Yakhont is for sale on the export market... that is its purpose, and with a flight range of less than 300km it doesn't need a datalink or sat feed.

    Most aircraft big enough to carry such a weapon will have a radar powerful enough to detect a ship at 3-400km anyway.

    Exactly. As a matter of fact, the Russians haven't advertised anything for Oniks. That doesn't mean it does not have datalink or any other (secret) goodies.
    We simply can't discuss a subject by making assumptions on things we know nothing about.

    Well, what we can say is that Granit had these datalink capabilities in the 1980s and the Oniks was developed in the 1990s, and no doubt will have been given a further upgrade in terms of electronics thanks to India and its Brahmos joint venture.

    Considering its flight range of at least 500km and I have read up to 750km ranges as estimates, it would need target data from another platform... and in the Russian Navy that is a satellite network. If it can receive target data via satellite then at the very least it has a datalink reception capacity.

    They are replacing the Granit with Oniks in Oscar and Oscar II subs and the two Kirovs to be upgrades, so as it is a replacement missile for those weapons I would expect at least the same level of performance (ie packs of up to 12 missiles acting as a wolf pack), though the improvements in IT probably mean 32 or 64 missiles acting together.

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    Post  Viktor Thu Feb 21, 2013 1:09 am

    Well, interesting stuff. Smaller Brahmos-M is in the pipe and Su-30 will be able to carry 3 of them, and Mig-29 two as opposed to

    one Brahmos-A, Su-30 can carry.

    The development of a smaller version of the supersonic missile "Brahmos"

    20/02/2013 A joint Russian-Indian company BrahMos Aerospace began to develop a smaller version of the supersonic missile "Brahmos", said a source close to the Ministry of Defence of India.

    "Weight of the new missile will be 1.5 tons, length - about six feet - the source ITAR-TASS. "It will be for the Su-30MKI and MiG-29, however, for this and for other military vehicles that are in service or to be taken by the Air Force of India, including aircraft Rafale and Mirage 2000" - he said. However, he stressed that it is not a missile "Brahmos" airborne ("BrahMos-A"), the test to be held later this year. "This is a different missile, - he explained. - If the Su-30MKI can install only one missile "BrahMos-A", then "BrahMos-M - three. MiG-29 - it will be possible to establish two missile" BrahMos-M. " According to him, "BrahMos- M "will be first tested at 1.5 - 2 years. Its range also be about 290 km. According to the newspaper VIEW, January 9, in the Bay of Bengal command warship of the Indian Navy successfully launched the Indo-Russian supersonic cruise missile "Brahmos". rocket flew 290 kilometers (almost maximum range) and by doing "double maneuver in the form S" hit the ship-goal at the level of one meter above the waterline, the source said, adding that the ship was "broken through." In October, the first deputy director of the NGO Engineering Alexander Dergachev said run an anti-ship cruise missile "Brahmos" submarine-scheduled for the end of 2012. Dergachev reminded that the missile "Brahmos" is designed to be versatile, able to start as a marine and surface and underwater vehicles, with a slope of 15 to 90 degrees, and from the ground. Machinery NGO representative said that by surface missile "Brahmos" is armed with 10 ships of the Naval Forces of India, each of which is eight to 16 missiles of this class. Russian-Indian joint venture "BrahMos "(NGO Organization Engineering and Defence Research and Development of India), established in 1998, specializes in the creation of supersonic missile ship and shore-based. missile "Brahmos" is designed to engage a wide range of marine purposes. It is characterized by high-range (up to 290 km) , hypersonic speeds (up to 2.8 m), a powerful combat load (250 kg), and low signature to radar. missile, whose weight in the base case is three tons, can be adjusted in height from 10 meters to 14 thousand . meters with respect to the trajectory. in new rocket into practice the principle of "fire - forget" - a goal she finds herself. According to experts, this unique missile, which would have the supersonic speed and a similar range in the world yet.

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    Post  TR1 Thu Feb 21, 2013 3:14 am

    I wonder what the point is.
    There is already Kh-31 with extended range for example.
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    Post  GarryB Thu Feb 28, 2013 4:57 am

    I wonder what the point is.
    There is already Kh-31 with extended range for example.

    Agreed... the French and Germans spent years talking about an anti ship missile that would be about 800kgs, would fly at Mach 2 with a 90kg warhead... they changed their minds several times and changed the name of it several times too but never actually got anything actually flying in the end.

    In comparison the Soviets got the anti ship and anti radar Kh-31 into service and have managed to make it lighter and faster and cover a greater range than was envisioned by the European missile design.

    There is no real benefit to creating a smaller Brahmos if it is going to replicate the performance of the Kh-31... it would make rather more sense to make a smaller Brahmos II hypersonic missile for tactical fighters and perhaps even helos and perhaps also a surface launched model for corvettes and perhaps conventional subs...

    I remember seeing a photo that claimed to be a reduced size Kh-35 uran for smaller vessels over shorter ranges, which would certainly be useful, but a hypersonic missile would be even more useful.

    I guess the main point of a smaller and lighter Brahmos would be to allow large numbers to be fired more rapidly to overwhelm the defences of any vessel/group of ships/land based target.

    A missile designed to fit in the rotary internal launcher of the Backfire would certainly be useful... especially as that would mean the Blackjack should be able to hold 24 such weapons if needed in a conventional strike mission...
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    Post  eridan Thu Feb 28, 2013 10:11 am

    How is a missile which has same range, same speed and 2-3 times smaller warhead for 2-3 times more missiles per aircraft not worth it? And how does that fall into same category as even the most advanced kh31 missile, which still falls short in range compared to that. Making a smaller brahmos for air launch makes perfect sense. Current air launched variant, even if it is a bit lighter than regular variant, is really too much of a missile for 90% of possible missions. Plus there is the whole saturation of target thing which may prove worth the extra cost if it means actually getting some missiles to the target, even in those remaining 10% of the missions. Even an undetonated missile can serious endanger a ship, let alone coupled with 100 kg warhead. 300kg warheads are often overkill, especially so if it means having less individual missiles carried and launched.

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