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    Post  JohninMK Tue Feb 21, 2023 12:51 am

    MOSCOW, February 3. /TASS/. Modernized frigates of project 22350M, equipped with the ship's anti-aircraft missile system "Poliment-Redoubt", will receive ultra-long-range anti-aircraft guided missiles (SAM) with a range of up to 400 km. a source in the military-industrial complex told TASS.

    "The Poliment-Redoubt complex, which will be installed on the improved frigates of project 22350M, will receive in the future, in addition to medium- and long-range sams, heavy ultra-long-range missiles with a maximum range of destruction of air targets up to 400 kilometers," the agency's interlocutor said, recalling that at present Poliment-Redoubt is capable of using missiles with a range of up to 150 km.

    According to him, the almost tripled range of interception of air targets will allow Russian frigates to hit NATO long-range radar detection and control aircraft and more effectively organize their air defense using medium- and short-range SAMs.

    The interlocutor noted that long-range SAMs will be launched from the cells of the universal ship firing complex (UKSK) 3S14, installed on the frigates of the project. On board the lead frigate of project 22350 "Admiral Gorshkov" there are two UKSK for 16 missiles. Starting with the Admiral Amelko (the fifth ship of Project 22350), four complexes designed for eight missiles each will be installed. On the modernized frigate of project 22350M there will already be six of them - for 48 missiles.

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    Post  Podlodka77 Tue Feb 21, 2023 1:33 pm

    I would not pay much attention to what the news agencies report, because those same news agencies wrote how they will, I quote them; "the first serial ship to carry 3M22 Zircon will be Admiral Golovko".
    We see that "Gorshkov" as the first ship of project 22350 is sailing right now re-armed with "zirkons", which makes me think that maybe the existing launchers for 9K96 can accept those 40N6 missiles.

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    Post  GarryB Wed Feb 22, 2023 12:38 am

    I made some comments on the redut poliment thread which I wont repeat here...

    But suffice to say I am still an optimist and I am hoping the loading of SAMs in the UKSK launcher is just for Frigates and Corvettes that don't have the space for lots of SAMs or the need for lots of SAMs like Destroyers and Cruisers and that on Destroyers and Cruisers they will have dedicated SAM launchers that allow the loadouts I have been going on about on here for a while... ie with a 12 tube launcher you can have 12 big heavy long range 40N6 missiles with 400km range or 250km range for the other type of big heavy missile, or you can fit four 9M96 missiles (the land based system shows four 9M96 missiles in their tubes fitting inside the space of the larger missiles tube so it should be possible), and that alternatively each of those four 9M96 tubes per full sized tube taking four 9M100 small short range self defence missiles instead, so 12 big heavy, 12 x 4 medium range, 12 x 4 x 4 short range... which means a minimum of 12 long range missiles, 48 medium range SAMs, or 192 short range missiles per 12 tube launcher... or any combination, so say 2 tubes with long range missiles, 6 tubes with 24 medium range missiles, leaving four tubes with 16 close range self defence missiles.

    Doesn't sound amazing on its own but if a Destroyer has 6 of these launchers and a Cruiser might have 8-10 of them then the numbers will really stack up...

    A Destroyer would have 12 long range missiles, 144 medium range missiles, and 96 short range self defence missiles.

    A Cruiser would have 20 long range missiles, 240 medium range missiles and 160 short range missiles...

    But of course both ships will likely have Pantsir and TOR type missiles as well as guns for air defence too and those mini self defence missiles the army is developing to protect their supply units from artillery might mean instead of four tubes per 12 tube system for the short range missiles they only need 2 tubes or even one tube per launcher... meaning more long range and more medium range missiles.

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    Post  Podlodka77 Thu Feb 23, 2023 12:05 am

    That's too optimistic, Garry.
    Garry, we still don't even know the dimensions of the planned 22350M frigates so it's hard to write about anything else.
    Moreover, the production of the basic 22350 frigates has not yet started at the desired pace, and we see that Sevmash has also slowed down with the construction of submarines.

    The laying of keels for new ships has slowed down, the modernization of existing ships and submarines has really been going at a desperate pace for years, while the production of SSN/SSGN submarines has also slowed down - which worries me the most. It all boils down to the construction of the 955A Borei-A and diesel-electric submarines.
    And while I don't care about these frigates compared to the 885M submarines, I think that the SMO definitely influenced the transfer of money for the construction of new nuclear submarines and it is now more than visible. The Russians will definitely have hardly more than 12-15 SSN/SSGN submarines in the future if this trend continues. And while you write about destroyers and cruisers, I see that even the production of fucking corvettes is not going as it should, while it is stupid to even write about frigates.
    Frankly, I am worried about the future of the Russian Navy.

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    Post  lancelot Sun Feb 26, 2023 7:35 am

    The thing with modern digitized combat systems is that adding a new missile is often as easy as changing some software. That is how you get Admiral Gorshkov firing the Zircon, a weapon developed after it was designed, that easily.

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    Post  Kiko Sun Jun 25, 2023 11:28 pm

    "Destruction of all types of targets": what is unique about the marine anti-aircraft missile and artillery complex "Pantsir-M", by Alexey Zakvasin, Elizaveta Komarova for RT in Russian. 06.25.2023.

    In terms of the combination of characteristics, the Pantsir-M shipborne anti-aircraft missile and artillery system (ZRAK) will be in demand for at least ten years, the High-Precision Systems holding said. Pantsir-M is the only air defense weapon with a single-station combat module, which includes artillery, anti-aircraft missile weapons and a control system. The complex is capable of hitting targets at a distance of up to 20 km and can be installed on any platform with a displacement of more than 500 tons. According to experts, many Navy ships under construction will be equipped with Pantsir-M.

    The Pantsir-M shipborne anti-aircraft missile and artillery system (ZRAK) will be in demand for at least ten years, TASS was told in the High-Precision Systems holding (part of the Rostec state corporation).

    "ZRAK" Pantsir-ME "in terms of the totality of its characteristics will be in demand for ten years. The uniqueness of the complex is ensured by the presence of two types of weapons: rocket and artillery. Placed on ships with a displacement of 500 tons, ”TASS quotes the company’s statement made on the sidelines of the International Maritime Defense Show (IMDS-2023).

    As captain of the 1st rank of the reserve Vasily Dandykin explained in a RT commentary, the naval ZRAK was created on the basis of the Pantsir-S1 land-based anti-aircraft missile and gun system of the same name.

    "Pantsir-ME" is the designation of a marine export modification. This can often be seen at exhibitions. This is necessary to reveal some of the characteristics of new weapons. As a rule, they are somewhat underestimated. With regard to the marine version of the "Pantsir", it is more correct to use the name "Pantsir-M" - this is what our fleet now has", said Dandykin.

    "Very efficient complex"
    "Pantsir-M" was developed by specialists of JSC "Instrument Design Bureau" (KBP, Tula). This is the only shipborne air defense system in the world with a single-station combat module, which includes artillery, anti-aircraft missile weapons and a control system.

    “In Russia, the practice of “drowning” ground-based air defense systems of various ranges has long been established. The ground "Pantsir" proved to be a very effective defense system. So the designers decided to make a naval modification taking into account the specifics of the fleet, where there is constant pitching, humidity and other factors affecting the combat operation of weapons,” said Dandykin.

    ZRAK's arsenal includes two 30-mm six-barreled automatic guns, anti-aircraft missiles, and a highly intelligent multi-mode radar-optical control system. "Pantsir-M" can fire simultaneously at four targets flying at speeds up to 1 km / s. The complex can be used in any conditions, including at night.

    “The missiles are adapted to work on surface targets, which most often fly at a low altitude - from 2 m, while the maximum engagement height is 15 km, and the distance is 20 km. Heavy fire from machine guns destroys closer and smaller objects at a distance of up to 4 km and a height of up to 3 km”, the Rostec website reports.

    According to the state corporation, Pantsir-M is capable of withstanding massive strikes of high-precision weapons and firing attack weapons flying from different directions. In particular, ZRAK can defend a ship against anti-ship missiles, UAVs, aircraft, helicopters, and also strike at surface and coastal targets.

    “The defeat of all types of targets is ensured by high-speed anti-aircraft guided missiles (SAMs) with a warhead weighing 20 kg and 30-mm artillery weapons with a total rate of fire of up to 10,000 rounds per minute,” the Rostec materials say.

    According to the High-Precision Complexes holding, at present they are trying to equip all ships of the Russian Navy with Pantsir-M. ZRAK is capable of destroying the same targets as a land-based air defense system.

    “We can stand on any ship, the fleet determines it. Now they are trying to mount on all ships. This is a new complex," the company said.

    It is known that the carrier of the sea "Pantsir" was a large missile boat of the Black Sea Fleet under the name "Shuya" of project 12417. An experimental version of the ZRAK was installed on this ship in January 2021. The complex was tested on the boat. After their completion in February 2022, Pantsir-M was dismantled.

    Now small missile ships (RTOs) of project 22800 "Karakurt" are equipped with this air defense system. According to the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, the first carrier from this series was the Odintsovo corvette of the Baltic Fleet.

    The second ship of project 22800, regularly equipped with the Pantsir-M complex, is the RTO Burya, which should soon become part of the Baltic Fleet. In addition to the ZRAK, the ship's air defense includes the AK-176MA automatic artillery gun and the Igla MANPADS. Strike weapons are represented by a universal firing system with eight cells for Caliber and Onyx cruise missiles.

    In mid-March, the press service of the Western Military District reported that the crew of the Burya conducted firing as part of tests in the Baltic Sea from the Pantsir-M.

    “The target, which was used as a small ship shield, was successfully hit by several missiles,” the Russian Defence Ministry said.

    Also, "Pantsir-M" received RTOs of project 22800 "Cyclone", which should replenish the Black Sea Fleet.

    The Cyclone RTO of the Karakurt project is armed with a universal complex with Caliber missiles, an AK-176MA artillery mount, an anti-aircraft missile system Pantsir-M, and large-caliber machine gun mounts. The cruising range of the ship is 2.5 thousand miles, autonomy - 15 days, ”the website of the Russian Ministry of Defence reports.

    Experts interviewed by RT believe that Pantsir-M will become a reliable air defense system for Karakurt. These RTOs have a standard displacement of 800 tons and are designed to perform tasks in the near sea zone.

    Project 22800 small missile ships have been built for the Navy since 2015 at three enterprises: Pella (Leningrad Region), Zelenodolsk Shipyard (Tatarstan) and Amur Shipyard (Khabarovsk Territory).

    "Pantsir-M" is perfect for installation on RTOs, corvettes and frigates - both new and those that are being upgraded. The main advantage of "Pantsir-M" is that it can effectively strike at targets that fly at low altitudes. Previously, similar functionality was performed by the Kortik ZRAK,” said Vasily Dandykin.

    "Demanded means of air defence"

    Analysts say the experience of the special operation has demonstrated the need to pay more attention to air defense. In the modern theater of operations, artillery mounts and MANPADS are no longer able to fully protect the ship from air attack weapons.

    Pantsir-M is in great demand, especially now in the Black Sea Fleet. The SVO showed that even small-displacement ships, especially those equipped with missiles that hit enemy military infrastructure, need such air defense systems. For example, six-barreled machine guns can work well on UAVs,” said Dandykin.

    A similar point of view is shared by a military expert, retired colonel Viktor Litovkin. In his opinion, placing artillery mounts and anti-aircraft missiles on the same platform provides ample opportunities in the field of air defence.

    ."Pantsir-M" is a fairly compact air defense system that can be installed on almost any ship. He has highly effective machine guns with 30-mm shells common in the troops and relatively cheap anti-aircraft guided missiles, ”Litovkin emphasized.

    He believes that Pantsir-M has a significant modernization potential, which will be realized as the basic land complex is improved.

    For example, before the SVO, Tula designers created the Pantsir-S1M modification, capable of detecting air targets at a distance of up to 80 km. The complex received a new missile and an updated radar station with a phased antenna array. As a result, the range of destruction of ZRAK was increased to 30 km.

    In mid-May of this year, at the MILEX 2023 international arms exhibition held in Minsk, the High-Precision Systems holding company announced that the land-based Pantsir had been finalized taking into account the experience of the SVO and the presence of modern missile weapons in the enemy, including MLRS HIMARS.

    “I think that the conclusions on the special operation have been made and the Pantsir has a great future ahead of it. The complex will be improved and installed on many modern ships of the Navy", summed up Litovkin.

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