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    Post  crod on Tue Jan 28, 2020 6:50 pm

    There appears to be a fair amount of skepticism around this claim. Bit like Chinese whispers...time will tell I guess.
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    Post  crod on Tue Jan 28, 2020 6:52 pm

    JohninMK wrote:A good photo that show the difference in terrain on either side of the Gulf. Easy tank country hard to defend on the west side as per Iraqi wars versus almost impossible tank country easy to defend in Iran.

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    Very nice pic.
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    Post  JohninMK on Tue Jan 28, 2020 6:52 pm

    crod wrote:There appears to be a fair amount of skepticism around this claim. Bit like Chinese whispers...time will tell I guess.

    Agreed.
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    Post  nomadski on Tue Jan 28, 2020 11:31 pm

    @ johninmk


    My posts, did include references to Afghanistan. As well as some news about Iran. The story about Iran sattelite launch, came with reference. The one about Afghanistan, was my claim that Iran may be connected to this plane shoot down. But it was just a theory. No firm connection. Therefore if GarryB, want to remove them, then I understand. But also you post something about identity of crash victim, without reference. But I have no problem with that. Since it could be connected to Iran / America situation.

    But even if this claim is true. That CIA person responsible for carrying out order of assassination of Soliemani, just happened to be in plane. A very secret information, hard to just come to the open. Then it changes nothing. The person responsible for murder was Trump and Pompeo. And those that supported murder, were Boris Johnson and Microbe.

    This deliberate release, I believe to be DISINFORMATION . To appease Iranian public and avert war. But war needed to remove blockade. No other way. Ten thousand dead CIA operatives and Trump's head on a plate, will still not solve problem. I am sorry, if you are a pilot. Nothing personal. Here Iranian Parliament considering leaving NPT.

    https://en.mehrnews.com/news/155058/NPT-withdrawal-plan-now-on-MPs-agenda
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Wed Jan 29, 2020 12:03 am

    Taliban could not name the number of dead during the crash of a US AF plane
    https://regnum.ru/news/polit/2842275.html

    I heard that the plane may have up to 13 people on board total.
    ..the E-11A could be tracked on FR24.com for about 9 hours, from 21.54 UTC on Aug. 10 to 06.45 UTC on Aug. 11, when the aircraft got out of the flightradar24 coverage while returning back to Kandahar airfield (?). At the same time a NATO air strike in the same zone killed seven Taliban and wounded four.
    https://theaviationist.com/2014/08/13/bacn-supports-air-strike-afghanistan/

    A Pence Presidency and an Iran War? Why does John Bolton really want Trump Out?


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    Post  nomadski on Wed Jan 29, 2020 2:51 am

    Well Tsavo. If this info on plane is correct, then I think it almost impossible Taliban brought plane down. Since they need serious AD, to reach 30,000 feet. Cruising height. So maybe plane did have technical difficulty and crashed. But problem with crash story :

    ( 1 ) plane seems to have fairly soft belly landing, from straight position of body.

    ( 2 ) There are no remains of wing on either side visible.

    ( 3 )  The wing root bolts are all intact. No remnant of wing visible at wing root.

    This makes a soft belly landing, hard to accept. Even if it led to fire. Wings should be visible. Or remnants of wing. Ecpecially at wing root.

    If impact so hard, as to sheer wings clean off, leaving no remnants, then force of wing tearing at body, should have disturbed position of fuselage. From one being in straight position.


    https://youtu.be/mLQr-F7Igg0

    This together with improbable story of CIA, officer responsible for Soliemani assassination, being in crash, leads me to think that this plane may have had wings removed by unbolting. Transported by helicopter. Placed there with some corpses and set on fire. To cover for number killed in missile strike and to appease Iranian public against war.


    https://youtu.be/CIMKRrDkw3g


    Look at these clips on YouTube. Look at passenger plane belly landing. The wings remain intact for soft landings that leave fuselage intact or straight. Very different from this supposed crash.

    https://youtu.be/3r9YlB1a5EI


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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Wed Jan 29, 2020 4:04 am

    The pane could be flying lower at the time, either climbing or descending; or it could have some technical/operational reasons causing it to fly lower, making it a good target.
    If it is a staged crash, it's a poorly staged 1- if u could figure it out, others who do it for living could too. Besides, why would the Afghan Army troops be sent to the site to risk their lives?
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    Post  nomadski on Wed Jan 29, 2020 4:01 pm


    In 9-11 attacks on US, we had all these problems. Of novice flyers being able not only to fly plane into twin towers accurately, but also into Pentagon. With impact hole on wall of Pentagon, showing no impact by wings. A circular hole! Also recent Ukraine plane crash in Iran. With no voice communication by pilots with Tower. And now the report that two flight crew of this E11, plane are alive but missing! In Afghanistan. Makes me think of drone planes used for psy ops. No pilots.

    Even if, as you say, plane was flying low and brought down by missile. Does not change the problem of evidence on the ground. And why send soldiers to protect site? Maybe to stop press. More photos revealing hoax. Only photo now available, was initial one of body of plane.

    Was there photo of firefighting yank plane in Australia that crashed ( supposedly) and killed three crew members? Are there any sattelite images of this crash in Afghanistan? There were images by sattelite of Ukraine plane crash in Iran.
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    Post  crod on Wed Jan 29, 2020 5:12 pm

    nomadski wrote:

    Was there photo of firefighting yank plane in Australia that crashed ( supposedly) and killed three crew members? Are there any sattelite images of this crash in Afghanistan? There were images by sattelite of Ukraine plane crash in Iran.

    Yes, the crews reached the site a few days ago and there was footage...
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    Post  JohninMK on Wed Jan 29, 2020 5:27 pm

    This rumour could run for a while yet. It is claimed that D'Andrea also masterminded the murder of Imad Mughniyeh, former Hezbollah Chief of Staff, back in 2008.

    Vera Van Horne
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    It’s hysterical to watch the info war about the killing of CIA top dog on Wikipedia!..

    Yesterday his Wiki profile was in the present tense
    Today, 5 min ago - in past tense, no dates no details
    Today, 4 min ago - killed 27.01.20
    NOW... He is alive again!..

    😁

    Meanwhile Seal Team 6 were apparently sent in

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    E-11A recovery op complete as of 3 1/2 hrs ago
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    JSOC operators reached the crash site despite harsh weather
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    2 US KIA recovered
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    2 local nationals died on the ground from the crash
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    Flight recorder recovered


    https://twitter.com/JackMurphyRGR/status/1222180105490960393

    Official notice

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    Bit more background

    Russian intelligence sources have claimed that Michael D’Andrea, head of CIA operations in Iran and who orchestrated the assassination of Iranian General Qassem Soleimani, was killed in a US spy plane downed yesterday in Ghazni, Afghanistan.

    The plane with US Air Force markings reportedly served as the CIA’s mobile command for D’Andrea, who earnt several nicknames including: Ayatollah Mike, the Dark Prince, and the Undertaker. He is one of the most prominent CIA figures in the region, appointed head of the agency’s Iran Mission Centre in 2017. Under his leadership, the agency was perceived to take a more “aggressive stance toward Iran”.


    https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20200128-cia-chief-behind-soleimanis-assassination-killed-in-downed-plane-in-afghanistan/
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    Post  JohninMK on Wed Jan 29, 2020 6:00 pm


    January 29, 2020 at 8:09 am

    The Pentagon said on Tuesday 50 US service members were now diagnosed with traumatic brain injury after missile strikes by Iran on a base in Iraq earlier this month, 16 more than the military had previously announced.

    President Donald Trump and other top officials initially said Iran’s Jan. 8 attack had not killed or injured any US service members.

    “As of today, 50 US service members have been diagnosed” with traumatic brain injury, Pentagon spokesman Lieutenant Colonel Thomas Campbell said in a statement about injuries in the attack on the Ain al-Asad airbase in western Iraq.

    Symptoms of concussive injuries include headaches, dizziness, sensitivity to light and nausea.

    Thirty-one of the 50 were treated in Iraq and returned to duty, including 15 of those diagnosed most recently, Campbell said.

    Eighteen of the total have been sent to Germany for further evaluation and treatment, and one was sent to Kuwait and has since returned to duty, he said.

    “This is a snapshot in time and numbers can change,” Campbell said.


    https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20200129-us-says-50-troops-now-diagnosed-with-traumatic-brain-injury-after-iran-strike/
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    Post  nomadski on Wed Jan 29, 2020 11:27 pm



    https://en.mehrnews.com/news/155088/US-military-aircraft-reportedly-crashes-in-Iraq

    Anbar province...............
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Thu Jan 30, 2020 12:02 am

    United States Special Operations Command was given up to seven C-27Js by the USAF:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alenia_C-27J_Spartan#Operators

    If they had them all, now they r left with 6.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Fri Jan 31, 2020 2:03 am

    US moves military from Iraq to bases from which to strike Iran
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    Post  JohninMK on Fri Jan 31, 2020 6:28 am

    JohninMK wrote:
    That's a pretty tasteless comment.

    The converted Canadian owned C-130 firefighting plane came down with a normal crew of 3 US onboard. That crew had decades of experience firefighting in aircraft. To suggest that somehow the crash never occurred is crass.

    RIP that crew doing a dangerous job a long way from home.
    Updated, these 3 Americans clearly did not die in Iraq! Clip at link

    A clip, filmed with a mobile phone, shows the moment the EC-130Q N134CG “Tanker 134”, operated by the Canadian-owned Coulson Aviation company and deployed to Australia to assist in fighting the catastrophic wildfires that have ravaged the country for weeks, crashed in the Snowy Monaro Area in southern NSW, Australia, killing the three U.S. crew members on board.

    The aircraft had departed Richmond, NSW.

    The C-130 can be seen dropping fire retardant before entering a thick cloud of smoke for some seconds, before crashing on the ground for reasons that are being investigated.

    Capt. Ian McBeth, First Officer Paul Clyde Hudson and Flight Engineer Rick DeMorgan Jr. died in the crash. Both were U.S. Veterans: Ian McBeth served with the Wyoming Air National Guard and was still a member of the Montana Air National Guard, Coulson stated in a media release. He has spent his entire career flying C-130’s and was a qualified Instructor and Evaluator pilot. Ian earned his Initial Attack qualification for Coulson in 2018. Hudson graduated from the Naval Academy in 1999 and spent the next twenty years serving in the United States Marine Corps in a number of positions including C-130 pilot. He retired as a Lt. Colonel and received many decorations during his career. DeMorgan served in the U.S. Air Force with eighteen years as a Flight Engineer on the C-130, loggin gover 4,000 hours with nearly 2,000 hours in a combat environment.


    https://theaviationist.com/2020/01/30/footage-of-coulson-aviation-c-130-large-air-tanker-crashing-in-australia-last-week-emerges/
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    Post  nomadski on Sat Feb 01, 2020 4:31 pm


    The figures for US troops injured has been revised up to 64, brain damaged. I am starting to think now that if troops injured in this high numbers, together with possibility that perimeter guards would be inside the compound and behind concrete wall, that fatality is highly likely and being kept quiet. But I doubt the Hawks will be hiding numbers and I think US military itself is hiding numbers. But they can not do this long term. Here another attack on US bases in Iraq. I think that operatives in Iraq itself, can also target US bases in Syria. The occupied oilfields and bases. Even if SAA and Russia not doing this.

    https://www.garda.com/crisis24/news-alerts/310401/iraq-rocket-attack-near-military-base-in-mosul-nineveh-province-january-31

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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Thu Feb 06, 2020 9:40 am

    Iran-Ukraine spat

    They could only get the recording from the others, & that proves that it was a special operation to frame Iran.

    https://www.asiatimes.com/2020/02/opinion/the-pros-and-cons-of-pre-notified-missile-strikes/

    US, Iran still at risk of a disastrous collision


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    Post  nomadski on Fri Feb 07, 2020 4:11 pm

    Not confirmed yet. But if true, then Taliban getting more AD system. Drone US, shot down.

    https://www.mashreghnews.ir/photo/1039033/%D8%B9%DA%A9%D8%B3-%D9%84%D8%A7%D8%B4%D9%87-%D9%BE%D9%87%D9%BE%D8%A7%D8%AF-%D8%B3%D8%A7%D9%82%D8%B7-%D8%B4%D8%AF%D9%87-%D8%A2%D9%85%D8%B1%DB%8C%DA%A9%D8%A7-%D8%AA%D9%88%D8%B3%D8%B7-%D8%B7%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A8%D8%A7%D9%86
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sat Feb 08, 2020 12:04 pm

    Reportedly, the CIA officer’s body was taken by the militants, along with a stash of top secret CIA documents. On that basis, alone, this is a major intelligence coup for Iran.
    CIA mystery: Did Iran kill ‘Ayatollah Mike?’
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    Post  medo on Sat Feb 08, 2020 6:32 pm

    There are some ideas, that E-11A with D'Andrea could be shot down by Iranian Qaem-2 portable air defense missile. Those laser guided missiles are bigger than usual MANPADs and are carried in two separate parts. Before launch they are put together and placed on launcher. Some of those missiles were captured, when Iran send them to Houties in Yemen. Most probably Houties shot down saudi AH-64 with this missile, but they hide launcher on the video.

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    Qaem-2 missiles captured in Yemen.

    If D'Andrea's planes was actually shot down with this missile, that it was most probably shot down by Iranian special forces and not Talebans.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sat Feb 08, 2020 10:03 pm

    The Talibs then wouldn't necessarily even know that it crashed & go there, unless the Iranians or locals informed them.
    OTH, the plane's avionics could have been affected by EW from Iran itself to make it fly low, enabling the Talibs to shoot it down with MANPADs.
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    Post  nomadski on Sat Feb 15, 2020 2:11 am


    https://youtu.be/AfAxhQxXDjs

    More of the same. I think if PMU responsible, then they should take responsibility. Instead of blaming other.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sat Feb 15, 2020 10:56 am

    More Lies on Iran: the White House Just Can’t Help Itself as New Facts Emerge
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    Post  nomadski on Sat Feb 15, 2020 3:01 pm

    Everything going well for resistance axis efforts to push Yanks out of ME region. The latest news makes this US  military withdrawal more clear :

    ( 1 ) Yank now considering pulling out of Afghanistan. After Taliban downed planes and choppers and UAV by SAM.

    ( 2 )  Attack on Iraq bases continue. The PMU, saying they have bases under " observation".

    ( 3) SAA making advances. Expulsion of Yanks now on the cards. From Syria.

    ( 4 ) Europe is on side with Iran. Zareef meeting in Germany for security meeting. Trump masturbating alone.


    This means that Iran and Russia and China have clear road to Med sea and PG region for trade and supplies. The next steps in few months, when Iran go on offensive by Yemen forces against yank bases in Arabia. To push them with pain to stop blockade. So victory is within reach.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Sat Feb 15, 2020 5:15 pm

    nomadski wrote:Everything going well for resistance axis efforts to push Yanks out of ME region. The latest news makes this US  military withdrawal more clear :

    ( 1 ) Yank now considering pulling out of Afghanistan. After Taliban downed planes and choppers and UAV by SAM.

    ( 2 )  Attack on Iraq bases continue. The PMU, saying they have bases under " observation".

    ( 3) SAA making advances. Expulsion of Yanks now on the cards. From Syria.

    ( 4 ) Europe is on side with Iran. Zareef meeting in Germany for security meeting. Trump masturbating alone.


    This means that Iran and Russia and China have clear road to Med sea and PG region for trade and supplies. The next steps in few months, when Iran go on offensive by Yemen forces against yank bases in Arabia. To push them with pain to stop blockade. So victory is within reach.

    1. That's a lie we are not considering leaving, The E-11 went down due to mechanical failure. There were no reports of missiles or fragments found period.

    2. What attacks on what bases now? if you mean the one with no rocket attacks no one was hurt.

    3. Lol we aren't leaving Syria and it isn't on the cards this is another lie.

    4. That meeting was only abou the Nuclear deal, which the EU is just trying to keep them in and obeying.

    Like 80 percent of what you just said is BS lies.

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