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    Post  crod on Thu Jan 09, 2020 9:11 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    crod wrote:Anything untoward in that airliner that went down enroute to the Ukraine?
    Doubt they will release a passenger list. From the nationalities it looks like a lot of people getting out before the balloon went up. I wouldn't fly on a Ukrainian aircraft and the Ukrainians are saying that they suspect engine failure. The 11 Ukrainians include 9 crew.

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    Media reports say authorities are looking at possible accidental engagement by an Iranian Tor missile. Very unfortunate if accurate.
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    Post  Isos on Thu Jan 09, 2020 9:32 pm


    Media reports say authorities are looking at possible accidental engagement by an Iranian Tor missile. Very unfortunate if accurate.

    All that comes from a picture of the head of a tor missile head taken by a anonymous guy. The picture shows only that and not the location.

    There is also a video of what seems to be a missile hiting something in the air but it's dark and we see nothing.

    Some are skeptical that the guy managed to film at the right direction and right time and film that whike the guy who took the picture didn't make a wider abgke to see the location.

    As far as we know it's nothing reliable. Could even be set up by CIA.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Thu Jan 09, 2020 9:54 pm

    The B-737-800 also had its share of problems:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_accidents_and_incidents_involving_the_Boeing_737#737_Next_Generation_(-600/-700/-800/-900)_aircraft

    Update:
    https://ria.ru/20200109/1563203623.html


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    Post  JohninMK on Thu Jan 09, 2020 10:53 pm

    Isos wrote:

    Media reports say authorities are looking at possible accidental engagement by an Iranian Tor missile. Very unfortunate if accurate.

    All that comes from a picture of the head of a tor missile head taken by a anonymous guy. The picture shows only that and not the location.

    There is also a video of what seems to be a missile hiting something in the air but it's dark and we see nothing.

    Some are skeptical that the guy managed to film at the right direction and right time and film that whike the guy who took the picture didn't make a wider abgke to see the location.

    As far as we know it's nothing reliable. Could even be set up by CIA.

    Would a Tor missile motor be running on its way up and leave a flame trail? The video seems to show little exhaust so a MANPAD?
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    Post  Isos on Thu Jan 09, 2020 11:02 pm

    The video shows very little if nothing. Tor isn't that much bigger than a manpad. Could be the case.

    Moreover the US propaganda doesn't help. Detecting radar emission from a tor near Teheran is beyond fakenews. The "painting" signal i.e engagement radar is a very narrow pencil beam that can't be detected by anything other than the targeted plane. Those dickheads are using deads for their propaganda.


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    Post  Airbornewolf on Thu Jan 09, 2020 11:46 pm

    This whole airliner crash made me remember Qantas flight 32.

    This A380 had some simmilarities.

    1. a few minutes after take-off they lost control of one of their engines. it had oil leak causing the engine rev up uncontrollably untill it catastrophically exploded.
    2. Resulting Shrapnell tore trough the cabin, it also tore trough a lot of flight control cables. Among other's, all communication systems went down. including GPS positioning and radio's. they only had one very basic VHF radio that remained.
    3. The blowout compromised heavily the flight control systems, in Qantas 32 case. They lost among flaps also one hydraulic system and other engine's control systems where damaged too, resulting in loss in thrust in the remaining engines. Also the wing got perforated by the explosion and subsequent shrapnell resulting in fuel in the wing igniting. this later extinguised itself while the crew turned into an holding pattern while they where diagnosing the aircraft.
    4. Even the Qantas crew did not realise what happened except for the loud bang they heard. and where working the flood of error messages in the flight computer. They learned of what happened with the engine when one of the flight attendants came up and told them the engine had desintegrated and tore trough the wing and cabin. The flight computer came up with critical messages faster as the 5 man pilot crew could work through.
    5. Qantas HQ just got a burst of information of Flight 32's before it stopped completely. Reporting multiple system failures. Its simmilar as the adrupt failure of communications with the iran airliner.
    6. The iranians mentioned the aircraft reported "technical problems". With Qantas Flight 32, before Engine 2 tore itself appart and send shrapnell trough the wing and cabin the instruments kept warning the engine was overheating.

    So, i take this "iran shot down an airliner" with an very big grain of salt. as it has simmilarities with QF fight 32.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Fri Jan 10, 2020 4:41 am

    Update: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/09/video/iran-plane-missile.html
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Jan 10, 2020 6:20 am

    Would a Tor missile motor be running on its way up and leave a flame trail? The video seems to show little exhaust so a MANPAD?

    The TOR system has excellent 3D radars and EO systems so I rather doubt they would launch at an obviously civilian airliner that was just taking off... plus being a command guided missile it would have hit the body of the aircraft and not an engine.

    Tor isn't that much bigger than a manpad.

    I don't disagree... from an unknown distance it would be hard to tell it apart from a MANPADS.... but a TOR missile is about 3 metres long and 180kgs in weight with a 15kg warhead you could definitely not fire from your shoulder...

    Update

    Sorry Tsavo... but the NYT are not interested in the truth... most of the time such things get in the way of a good story...
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    Post  Isos on Fri Jan 10, 2020 10:34 am


    I don't disagree... from an unknown distance it would be hard to tell it apart from a MANPADS.... but a TOR missile is about 3 metres long and 180kgs in weight with a 15kg warhead you could definitely not fire from your shoulder...

    Idk if you saw the video but it could even be a s 300 missile you couldn't say. It's all black a then you see a little explosion.

    But twitter specialist and new york times journalists/sppexialists said it was real and they could even see the frags of the tor missile hiting the aircraft. dunno Dickheads that are programed to poop US propagabda before US official propagandists themeself...
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Jan 10, 2020 11:29 am

    Wow.... amazing... a missile flys up in to the night sky and hits something... amazing... but then I would also have to say that if that was the Ukrainian airliner... where were its running lights... even on the darkest night even before I can hear a civilian airliner I can see its flashing lights... don't see them on that video... do you?

    I am sure they will edit some in later right?
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    Post  Isos on Fri Jan 10, 2020 1:12 pm

    Here is the moment in the video you see the explosion. You can clearly see nothing the Tor missile hiting the boeing.


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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Fri Jan 10, 2020 7:21 pm

    A downed plane: who is trying to prevent Trump and Ayatollah from negotiating? https://regnum.ru/news/polit/2826100.html

    https://riafan.ru/1240859-klincevich-nazval-ubeditelnoi-versiyu-prichastnosti-ssha-k-gibeli-ukrainskogo-boinga

    Before making any assumptions, it's better to wait for more info. on it. But 1 thing is clear: this crash ils already being used to blame Iran.
    In any case, Boeing may not recover from this latest blow to its reputation.

    The Iranian regime supported thousands of Fatemiyoun, an Afghan Shiite minority militia from whom an estimated 20,000 hardened fighters joined with Assad’s forces in Syria. Iran could also use Fatemiyoun in Afghanistan itself to give American forces a bloody nose and strike their bases, though certainly innocent Afghans would also die as a result of bombing and clashes. Plus Iran has close ties with the Taliban.
    https://www.asiatimes.com/2020/01/opinion/implications-of-soleimani-killing-on-afghan-security/


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    Post  GarryB on Sat Jan 11, 2020 4:40 am

    Here is the moment in the video you see the explosion. You can clearly see nothing the Tor missile hiting the boeing.

    You can clearly see that there is a missile and presumably an aircraft being hit by that missile, but no evidence of when or where the video was taken, and the total lack of navigation lights prove it is not a civilian airliner being hit by a missile.

    This could be video from a month ago showing a US drone being shot down... and the guy who filmed it uploading it now to pretend he was filming in the right direction at exactly the right time.

    Note the other video released shows a fiery plane crashing to the ground through some trees... they were filming something else and he noticed the fire in the sky and caught it, but this video... perhaps he is a CIA stooge and was told the stinger team had spotted an aircraft to shoot down so film in this general direction and look for a missile because you wont see the plane because we have ordered them not to operate with running lights...
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sat Jan 11, 2020 5:38 am

    Update: Iran admitted shooting it down by mistake
    https://twitter.com/JZarif/status/1215847283381755914

    https://ria.ru/20200111/1563279027.html

    That plane was mistaken for a UAV or CM as it was flying over a mil. base.

    Merkel flies to Moscow for help. Urgent help
    https://ria.ru/20200111/1563261125.html


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    Post  nomadski on Sun Jun 07, 2020 9:19 am

    Iran should not be handing over the black box to Ukraine. But then again some in Iran may want the public to forget this incident. Because it may mean further worsening of relations with the west. As some political elements in Iran recently contacted the BBC staff, saying that they should be talking about this incident, so as to Camouflage the assassination of Iranian General. Now even the Camouflage is being camouflaged. And humanitarian releases of spy justified to appease the killers of General, as inducements to talks!

    https://youtu.be/w03adUa3Kto

    Iranian police chief needs to seriously think about modern policing methods. Police and security force tactics are now a bigger problem than the problem they are supposed to be addressing. It looks like, someone gave a weapon to someone else, and they are trigger happy. Shooting all in view. The result is dead demonstrators and dead Afghans on the Roads. Modern policing methods are lacking.

    You can stop a vehicle, without shooting at it by an assault rifle. Then you arrest people. They go to court. You disable an arsonist and arrest him. Then he goes to court. The police actions and those backing this approach are diminishing public confidence in the political system. Iran loosing face internationally. Iran now taking a step backwards with bringing in draconian anti - democratic " political crimes" law. Instead of bringing political freedom laws. There can be no political crimes. Only civil crimes. Punished under civil law.

    https://youtu.be/h5ScK0OaTsk

    And :

    https://youtu.be/gNmv4tErXys

    CF :

    https://youtu.be/jP_wDf3xT5Q

    https://youtu.be/i14AOFygNyg

    And then the authorities can not justify or explain the deaths of demonstrators. Brand new pistols are presented. Supposedly from demonstrators. With zero or near zero fatality among security services. And supposedly 5000 security forces injured, indicating civil unrest but no shooting on security services . But with supposedly 230 demonstrators shot dead. But how many disabled ?  400 to 800?  And they say 20% of bullets causing deaths to demonstrators are from weapon other than security forces. But were any private shooters arrested? If not, why not? They just dig themselves deeper, by unsatisfactory answers. Loosing public confidence. Because of inept policing and draconian political laws. Their own worst enemy.
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    Post  GarryB on Sun Jun 07, 2020 1:06 pm

    I believe the compensation amount from the US to Iran was about 6 million dollars when America shot down an Airbus in the region, so perhaps Iran owes the victims 6 million and one dollars... but they can't pay in US dollars because they are under sanction so they will have to wait until that is lifted before they can be paid...
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    Post  Isos on Sun Jun 07, 2020 3:50 pm

    Iran should not be handing over the black box to Ukraine. But then again some in Iran may want the public to forget this incident.

    They already acknowledged that they shot it down with a tor system. There is no need for the blackboxes anymore.

    I believe the compensation amount from the US to Iran was about 6 million dollars when America shot down an Airbus in the region, so perhaps Iran owes the victims 6 million and one dollars... but they can't pay in US dollars because they are under sanction so they will have to wait until that is lifted before they can be paid...

    Money can't replace deads... that's kindda disgusting to give families so much for killing one of their. Typically US way to solve problems.
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    Post  GarryB on Mon Jun 08, 2020 7:35 am


    Money can't replace deads... that's kindda disgusting to give families so much for killing one of their. Typically US way to solve problems.

    Made worse because American dead get paid more than foreign dead...
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    Post  nomadski on Mon Jun 08, 2020 10:44 am

    https://www.tasnimnews.com/en/news/2020/06/08/2281852/defense-ministry-to-boost-iranian-police-capabilities

    Good. Now entire police needs training in modern crowd control.

    https://www.britannica.com/topic/police/Methods-of-crowd-policing

    Most Europe country do this.

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    Post  nomadski on Tue Jun 09, 2020 9:08 pm

    https://www.tasnimnews.com/en/news/2020/06/09/2282639/cia-spy-who-gathered-intel-on-gen-soleimani-s-whereabouts-sentenced-to-death

    Article relates to supposed spy, who related info on locations of military Brass to Yank and Usrael. Interestingly ministry of justice says, case not related to recent assassination of General. But old case. Some media are hard at work, proclaiming that the " murderer of General" is to be executed in public! But General's  location was not secret. He was sent by leadership. As envoy. Everyone knew. Also linking this "spy" directly as murderer of General by media, very strange. The murderer  was Trump. So it looks like, some are trying to appease the public, by executing some culprit, who was " directly responsible". And drawing a line under this crime. Why spy not executed before? If old case?  The Camouflages continue.

    Well, to make sense of it all. It is a little convoluted. No question about who imposed the war of sanctions against Iran. No question who started a hot war, by killing General. No question that Ukraine plane shot down was in very mysterious situation. No question that some used this as diversion to hide the killing of General. No question that black box is being handed over to Ukraine, with all the secrets. And  plumpy Trump happy about it. No question  Iran trying to hand over all US detainees. No question now diversion used to appease public opinion, by execution of  the " responsible spy". No question about present government weak approach.


    But reality is, that until US bases remain around Iran, they pose a threat. That until at least secondary  sanctions lifted, Iran facing economic hardship and political instability. That until Iran make a Nuke detterent, that warmongers will not relent. That until Iran government abandons defeatism and appeasement, the Yanks will not back off.

    Saying we will persue the criminals responsible for killing is much better. But saying this plot was discovered four months ago, still leaves the question, why security was not improved for General. Or better still, why was he sent, when he was so important for Iran?

    But it is good to hear judiciary talking about economic crimes. But also Iranian law must distinguish between a person's political beliefs or religion, however different or strange that must be respected . To any action that supports violence or theft or is otherwise a crime, under criminal and civil law. If a person verbally or practically supports an armed group that engages in violence and killing or theft , then irrespective of motive, being political or economic, then they are treated equally. Or if a person throws abuse at political or religious  person, however high , then it is no different to a person that throws abuse at their neighbour or on the street. The punishments are equal. This allows for freedom of thought and expression and legitimate activity. And is also a means to limit criminal activity.
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    Post  crod on Fri Jun 26, 2020 8:07 am

    Big explosion near Tehran military base. No real info on it yet. Thought to be close to gas storage and away from the military end of things.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/26/iran-authorities-investigate-large-explosion-near-tehran?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

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