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    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Jul 08, 2020 2:10 am

    dino00 wrote:...For such small ships as the Karakurt, a month at sea is a difficult test, said Admiral Valentin Selivanov, the former chief of the Main Staff of the Navy...

    Is this supposed to mean that Karakurt's endurance is 30 days?

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Wed Jul 08, 2020 2:44 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    dino00 wrote:...For such small ships as the Karakurt, a month at sea is a difficult test, said Admiral Valentin Selivanov, the former chief of the Main Staff of the Navy...

    Is this supposed to mean that Karakurt's endurance is 30 days?


    The Standard Endurance is 15 days, this is the cost for trying to pack so much into a small hull.

    30 Days would be an extreme amount for these ships but they are coastal vessels, so it shouldn't be such a big deal either. It just means they cannot go into the open ocean
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    Post  ultimatewarrior on Wed Jul 08, 2020 5:14 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    dino00 wrote:...For such small ships as the Karakurt, a month at sea is a difficult test, said Admiral Valentin Selivanov, the former chief of the Main Staff of the Navy...

    Is this supposed to mean that Karakurt's endurance is 30 days?


    The Standard Endurance is 15 days, this is the cost for trying to pack so much into a small hull.

    30 Days would be an extreme amount for these ships but they are coastal vessels, so it shouldn't be such a big deal either. It just means they cannot go into the open ocean

    Even Christopher Columbus small wooden ships crossed the Atlantic, with replenishment ship Karakurt can go anywhere.
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Jul 08, 2020 7:13 am

    It is an indication that the Russian Navy sets high standards in its tests to see how the new product will perform and to check its limits... as opposed to the USAF which drops requirements for aircraft if they find they don't reach the bar and it would cost a lot of money to fix the problems so they can do what they were expected to do.

    These are corvettes... why would you want them to have long endurance capacity... that is not free... it has costs of its own.

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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Wed Jul 08, 2020 7:24 am

    These are corvettes... why would you want them to have long endurance capacity...
    until more new bigger ships r active, these will be relied on if need be.
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    Post  ult on Fri Jul 24, 2020 5:13 pm

    1st out of 3 Zaliv's Karakuts has been launched. Tsiklon.

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    Post  Hole on Fri Jul 24, 2020 8:20 pm

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    Post  hoom on Sun Jul 26, 2020 9:25 am

    Took a few swings of the bottle censored from whats been said at Balancer this vid might not include all of them.
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    Post  JohninMK on Sun Jul 26, 2020 11:03 am

    I've asked this before and not sure I got an answer.

    Why is the rear third of the hull painted black on these small Russian ships?
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    Post  Hole on Sun Jul 26, 2020 12:15 pm

    On older lasses this was done because there are the exhausts of the diesel engines.
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    Post  ult on Sun Jul 26, 2020 1:01 pm

    That's the reason.

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    Post  hoom on Mon Jul 27, 2020 10:01 am

    On older lasses this was done because there are the exhausts of the diesel engines.
    Yes.
    This is a new class but the engines are essentially the same as the older Soviet era boats -> just as sooty.

    The first was initially painted all grey but sooted up & they reverted to the black paint
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    Post  Isos on Mon Jul 27, 2020 10:12 am

    JohninMK wrote:I've asked this before and not sure I got an answer.

    Why is the rear third of the hull painted black on these small Russian ships?

    Black reduce IR signature.
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    Post  kumbor on Mon Jul 27, 2020 11:44 am


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    Post  GarryB on Mon Jul 27, 2020 2:29 pm

    The black paint was often special extra thick stuff that resisted the soot better than normal paint.

    Paint of any other colour would look dirty and look like it needed to be repainted but with black paint you don't notice the soot and don't realise it is dirty...

    It will always get dirty.... there is really nothing you can do about it.

    They often paint the area behind the exhausts on Hinds black for the same reasons....

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    Post  kumbor on Mon Jul 27, 2020 2:52 pm



    Garry B, maybe you are also trying to say that black paint used may have been of other kind (e.g. epoxy), comparing to standard hull paint. Deck paints are often also epoxy, as thicker in layer and more durable.
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Jul 28, 2020 8:04 am

    Garry B, maybe you are also trying to say that black paint used may have been of other kind (e.g. epoxy), comparing to standard hull paint. Deck paints are often also epoxy, as thicker in layer and more durable.

    You are right, thicker is not the correct term... it is made of different materials to make it resistant to being effected by being coated in soot.

    In much the same way they have a special paint for painting the decks... it was usually a rust brown colour and it included a grit like material to improve traction when it is wet so it is less slippery than normal paint when it is wet... which it often is at sea.
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    Post  mnztr on Wed Jul 29, 2020 3:24 am

    can they not exhaust into the water? Better still, put a better injection system into the old diesels?
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    Post  x_54_u43 on Wed Jul 29, 2020 3:36 am

    mnztr wrote:can they not exhaust into the water? Better still, put a better injection system into the old diesels?

    It is exhausting into water, they don't have a funnel.
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    Post  mnztr on Wed Jul 29, 2020 4:19 am

    they probably exhaust above the waterline, perhaps some work needs to be done to ensure the exhaust is mixed with water so the soot does not fly
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    Post  ult on Wed Jul 29, 2020 10:21 am

    Pavlovsk has been laid down.

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    Post  GarryB on Wed Jul 29, 2020 11:58 am

    Don't think I have ever seen a clean burning diesel engine...
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    Post  hoom on Thu Jul 30, 2020 1:06 pm

    Finally some good clear shots of Odintsovo with the Pantsir-M
    As ever pics via Balancer forum
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    Post  kumbor on Thu Jul 30, 2020 5:27 pm

    What type are chaff launchers aft?
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    Post  The-thing-next-door on Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:59 pm

    hoom wrote:Finally some good clear shots of Odintsovo with the Pantsir-M
    As ever pics via Balancer forum
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    Well this should provide the ship with some decent air defence, good to see that they have not dropped the below dexk autoloader for the missiles.

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