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    Project 22800: "Karakurt" class missile ship

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    Post  limb Wed Jun 16, 2021 8:49 pm

    hoom wrote:
    No way this is true because it's the dumbest thing I ever heard and there is no way it could ever work
    It is the explanation given on Balancer forums.
    Most of the responses were along the line of 'No way this is true because it's the dumbest thing I ever heard and there is no way it could ever work' Neutral

    The only other plausible explanation I've seen is that they're intentionally choosing names that will be nearly impossible to pronounce for English speakers Razz

    What if some oligarch or MoD official payed the MoD to rename the vessels because he has a favorite family member or concubine in odintsovo or mytishchi and wants to honor them?
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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:10 pm

    hoom wrote:...The only other plausible explanation I've seen is that they're intentionally choosing names that will be nearly impossible to pronounce for English speakers Razz

    Now this actually makes sense

    If that's the case they are succeeding spectacularly

    Even in Serbian that one is problematic, I just call it Mitsubishi

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    Post  hoom Fri Jun 18, 2021 2:00 pm

    The 20380 Hero of the Russian Federation Aldar Tsydenzhapov is another strong bit of evidence toward that, though I feel probably just all the extra time typing/speaking the name/more paper used in reports is likely to cause significantly more logistical hurt to the Russian military than on 'partners'.

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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Jun 18, 2021 9:38 pm

    hoom wrote:The 20380 Hero of the Russian Federation Aldar Tsydenzhapov is another strong bit of evidence toward that, though I feel probably just all the extra time typing/speaking the name/more paper used in reports is likely to cause significantly more logistical hurt to the Russian military than on 'partners'.

    Well Aldar Tsydenzhapov earned the right to have a boat named after him but first and last name should have been enough

    You don't see Royal Navy naming their aircraft carrier ''HMS Queen of the United Kingdom and 15 other Commonwealth realms Elizabeth the Second''

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    Post  mnztr Fri Jun 18, 2021 11:55 pm

    Maybe they should name an old ship after Navalny ...then scrap it. Lol

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    Post  flamming_python Sat Jun 19, 2021 6:52 am

    hoom wrote:The 20380 Hero of the Russian Federation Aldar Tsydenzhapov is another strong bit of evidence toward that, though I feel probably just all the extra time typing/speaking the name/more paper used in reports is likely to cause significantly more logistical hurt to the Russian military than on 'partners'.

    They scored gold with that name

    The trouble with that theory though is that it's not possible for Russian-speakers to pronounce it either.
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    Post  Big_Gazza Sat Jun 19, 2021 2:39 pm

    mnztr wrote:Maybe they should name an old ship after Navalny ...then scrap it. Lol

    An old rusty busted-arse garbage scow... that would be SO appropriate... Laughing Laughing Laughing

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    Post  Hole Sat Jun 19, 2021 9:31 pm

    Put him on board first.

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    Post  mnztr Sun Jun 20, 2021 12:48 am

    Hole wrote:Put him on board first.

    yeah make him swab the deck, tow it out to the Barents Sea range and test Kinzal on it lol.

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    Post  walle83 Sun Jul 11, 2021 11:14 am

    It seems to be taking some time to get theese ladies ready. 5 ships launched since 2018 but then its a bottleneck to get them finished and comissioned.
    Its a missileboat, not a destroyer, it cant take 4-5 years to get such a vessel ready.

    Is it the diesel engines that are the problems?
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    Post  hoom Sun Jul 11, 2021 12:55 pm

    Seems to be yes.
    Fairly sure the Pantsir-Ms aren't being produced particularly rapidly also.
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    Post  franco Sun Jul 11, 2021 1:38 pm

    walle83 wrote:It seems to be taking some time to get theese ladies ready. 5 ships launched since 2018 but then its a bottleneck to get them finished and comissioned.
    Its a missileboat, not a destroyer, it cant take 4-5 years to get such a vessel ready.

    Is it the diesel engines that are the problems?

    Yes, engines have been a problem however they seem to be finally arriving and 2-3 ships will enter service this year.
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    Post  medo Fri Jul 23, 2021 8:48 pm

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    Cyclon on degausing.

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    Post  Russian_Patriot_ Sun Aug 01, 2021 5:09 pm

    Small rocket ships of the project 22800 "Karakurt" that were "suspended" at Pella JSC due to delays in the supply of engines. "Burya" (Eng: Storm) (factory number 257) is almost ready, but the "Kozelsk" (254), "Okhotsk" (255) and "Vikhr" (Whirlwind) (256), which were towed in 2019-2020 from Feodosia, are still "naked" and they are still very far from being ready. 
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    Post  PapaDragon Sun Aug 01, 2021 5:39 pm


    Man this engine fuckup is absolutely hilarious

    And it's not even fancy turbine, just plain diesel...

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    Post  calripson Mon Aug 02, 2021 1:02 am

    I know they tried Chinese engines on the Buyan class and they found them deficient. Hard to believe the Chinese aren't producing an adequate marine diesel engine in this size.
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    Post  mnztr Mon Aug 02, 2021 6:28 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Man this engine fuckup is absolutely hilarious

    And it's not even fancy turbine, just plain diesel...


    Diesels are actually much more complex to manufacture then turbines.
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    Post  ALAMO Mon Aug 02, 2021 9:10 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Man this engine fuckup is absolutely hilarious

    And it's not even fancy turbine, just plain diesel...


    Marine diesel is much more than that. It is not a coincidence, that only several countries are capable of building them, and sometimes that all go back to R&R, anyway.
    Very often, those factories originate themself directly from the locomotive industry back in the XIX century.
    There is a Kolomna-based plant in Russia that is responsible for that and has tons of federal spending allocated for retooling and facility modification.
    It should be ready ... about now I guess scratch
    And by accident, of course, its newly developed diesel line consists of several types, with the power up to the one that is used with M-507 engines now, for the first time in Russia. Laughing
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    Post  hoom Mon Aug 02, 2021 9:17 am

    they tried Chinese engines on the Buyan class and they found them deficient.
    Seems to have been an installation issue, after mods to the first 1 (2?) there doesn't seem to have been further complaints (20380s had similar issues with their German diesels) & as far as I know all the rest are using the Chinese diesels.

    22800 was explicitly designed for domestic engine production with these existing high-speed engines, I don't think China builds a similar class of engine & it'd be a major design change to switch it to the Buyan style power plant.

    The inability of Zvezda to cope with the sudden influx of orders is sad but not that surprising, but its definitely disappointing that they're still struggling to put out engines after many years.
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    Post  ALAMO Mon Aug 02, 2021 9:21 am

    Relax folks, the last - 16th in line - was laid down a year ago.
    I guess they know better if there will be something to install in engine rooms than we do, right? Laughing
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    Post  limb Thu Aug 05, 2021 12:02 am

    mnztr wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    Man this engine fuckup is absolutely hilarious

    And it's not even fancy turbine, just plain diesel...


    Diesels are actually much more complex to manufacture then turbines.
    Are marine diesels harder to manufacture than the AL-41?
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    Post  mnztr Thu Aug 05, 2021 12:31 am

    limb wrote:
    mnztr wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    Man this engine fuckup is absolutely hilarious

    And it's not even fancy turbine, just plain diesel...


    Diesels are actually much more complex to manufacture then turbines.
    Are marine diesels harder to manufacture  than the AL-41?

    It depends on which diesel. This one is for SURE much harder to manufacture then a dozen AL-41s:

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    Its turbocharged BTW and therefore has a turbine on it.
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    Post  limb Thu Aug 05, 2021 2:30 am

    mnztr wrote:
    limb wrote:
    mnztr wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    Man this engine fuckup is absolutely hilarious

    And it's not even fancy turbine, just plain diesel...


    Diesels are actually much more complex to manufacture then turbines.
    Are marine diesels harder to manufacture  than the AL-41?

    It depends on which diesel. This one is for SURE much harder to manufacture then a dozen AL-41s:

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    Its turbocharged BTW and therefore has a turbine on it.

    Im talking about a diesel sized for the karakurt, say a small MTU or wartsila.
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    Post  limb Thu Aug 05, 2021 2:32 am

    ALAMO wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    Man this engine fuckup is absolutely hilarious

    And it's not even fancy turbine, just plain diesel...


    Marine diesel is much more than that. It is not a coincidence, that only several countries are capable of building them, and sometimes that all go back to R&R, anyway.

    Not really. Finland, South korea, sweden and italy produce marine diesels too,
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    Post  ALAMO Thu Aug 05, 2021 7:13 am

    Sure they do.
    You can add Norway, Japan, China, UK, France, Spain, the Netherlands.
    All of them have a vibrant and long history marine industry, some of them dating back to the XVI century.
    How it applies to 150+ countries existing? Laughing

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