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Project 22800: "Karakurt" class missile ship
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Took a few swings of the bottle 
from whats been said at Balancer this vid might not include all of them.
from whats been said at Balancer this vid might not include all of them.
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I've asked this before and not sure I got an answer.
Why is the rear third of the hull painted black on these small Russian ships?
Why is the rear third of the hull painted black on these small Russian ships?
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On older lasses this was done because there are the exhausts of the diesel engines.
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That's the reason.
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Yes.On older lasses this was done because there are the exhausts of the diesel engines.
This is a new class but the engines are essentially the same as the older Soviet era boats -> just as sooty.
The first was initially painted all grey but sooted up & they reverted to the black paint
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JohninMK wrote:I've asked this before and not sure I got an answer.
Why is the rear third of the hull painted black on these small Russian ships?
Black reduce IR signature.
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The black paint was often special extra thick stuff that resisted the soot better than normal paint.
Paint of any other colour would look dirty and look like it needed to be repainted but with black paint you don't notice the soot and don't realise it is dirty...
It will always get dirty.... there is really nothing you can do about it.
They often paint the area behind the exhausts on Hinds black for the same reasons....
Paint of any other colour would look dirty and look like it needed to be repainted but with black paint you don't notice the soot and don't realise it is dirty...
It will always get dirty.... there is really nothing you can do about it.
They often paint the area behind the exhausts on Hinds black for the same reasons....
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Garry B, maybe you are also trying to say that black paint used may have been of other kind (e.g. epoxy), comparing to standard hull paint. Deck paints are often also epoxy, as thicker in layer and more durable.
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Garry B, maybe you are also trying to say that black paint used may have been of other kind (e.g. epoxy), comparing to standard hull paint. Deck paints are often also epoxy, as thicker in layer and more durable.
You are right, thicker is not the correct term... it is made of different materials to make it resistant to being effected by being coated in soot.
In much the same way they have a special paint for painting the decks... it was usually a rust brown colour and it included a grit like material to improve traction when it is wet so it is less slippery than normal paint when it is wet... which it often is at sea.
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can they not exhaust into the water? Better still, put a better injection system into the old diesels?
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mnztr wrote:can they not exhaust into the water? Better still, put a better injection system into the old diesels?
It is exhausting into water, they don't have a funnel.
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they probably exhaust above the waterline, perhaps some work needs to be done to ensure the exhaust is mixed with water so the soot does not fly
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Pavlovsk has been laid down.
https://tvzvezda.ru/news/forces/content/2020729624-SdTvC.html
https://tvzvezda.ru/news/forces/content/2020729624-SdTvC.html
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Don't think I have ever seen a clean burning diesel engine...
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Finally some good clear shots of Odintsovo with the Pantsir-M
As ever pics via Balancer forum
As ever pics via Balancer forum
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What type are chaff launchers aft?
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Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class missile ship
The-thing-next-door on Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:59 pm
hoom wrote:Finally some good clear shots of Odintsovo with the Pantsir-M
As ever pics via Balancer forum
Well this should provide the ship with some decent air defence, good to see that they have not dropped the below dexk autoloader for the missiles.
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What type are chaff launchers aft?
PK-10 I think...
http://roe.ru/eng/catalog/naval-systems/shipborne-weapons/pk-10/
Or it could be the PK-16 with the fairing removed...
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Literally 'without foreign analogues'.Well this should provide the ship with some decent air defence
32* proven 20km ranged SAMs explicitly designed for taking out inbound supersonic missiles & 8* either 2500km ranged cruise-missiles or supersonic anti-ship missiles.
Add to that they can mix in multi-purpose Sosna missiles for the Pantsir, expected future upgrades to 40km SAMs, smaller quad-pack anti-drone missiles & hypersonic Zirkon.
All on an offshore optimised 800ton hull.
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Don´t forget the nice gun.
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Karakurt is proposed for export :
http://roe.ru/eng/catalog/naval-systems/surface-ships-ships-and-boats/project-22800-karakurt/
http://roe.ru/eng/catalog/naval-systems/surface-ships-ships-and-boats/project-22800-karakurt/
Pozitiv-ME 1.2 3D radar:
Detection range of an air target, km – 150.
Mineral-ME radar:
Detection range of a sea-surface target, km – up to 450.
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Hole wrote:Don´t forget the nice gun.
But does it have engine?
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marat wrote:Hole wrote:Don´t forget the nice gun.
But does it have engine?
Asking the right questions
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The one with the Pantsir system above is clearly underway... so I would say yes.