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Project 22800: "Karakurt" class missile ship
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Effective coastal ASW requires multiple types of systems, working together. Each has their pros and cons, but together they make up for each others deficiences.
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True, & they have the Grishas they r modernizing:
https://primgazeta.ru/news/na-tihookeanskom-flote-moderniziruet-starye-protivolodochnye-korabli-31-05-2019-06-57-21
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grisha-class_corvette
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BE%D0%BA_%D0%BA%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B1%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B9_%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%82%D0%B0_1124
https://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/defence-news/2019/august/7374-russian-northern-fleet-started-a-submarine-detection-exercise-in-the-arctic.html
https://primgazeta.ru/news/na-tihookeanskom-flote-moderniziruet-starye-protivolodochnye-korabli-31-05-2019-06-57-21
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grisha-class_corvette
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BE%D0%BA_%D0%BA%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B1%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B9_%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%82%D0%B0_1124
https://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/defence-news/2019/august/7374-russian-northern-fleet-started-a-submarine-detection-exercise-in-the-arctic.html
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Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class missile ship
GunshipDemocracy on Fri Jan 17, 2020 9:59 am
Tsavo Lion wrote:
https://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/defence-news/2019/august/7374-russian-northern-fleet-started-a-submarine-detection-exercise-in-the-arctic.html
That pic is not Grisha but Nanuchka class , small missile ship. BTW those minarets look more like Istanbul not Arctic to me
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I got it here: Old enemies: Russian Grisha-class Corvette 617 Mirazh passes through the Bosphorus on its way to Syria
https://mondediplo.com/2019/02/08black-sea
Yes, they misidentified it.
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9C%D0%B0%D0%BB%D1%8B%D0%B5_%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BA%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B5_%D0%BA%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B1%D0%BB%D0%B8_%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%82%D0%B0_1234
Corvets have a radar picket role:
Rest in peace: the US described the actions of Russia against aircraft carriers
https://mondediplo.com/2019/02/08black-sea
Yes, they misidentified it.
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9C%D0%B0%D0%BB%D1%8B%D0%B5_%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BA%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B5_%D0%BA%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B1%D0%BB%D0%B8_%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%82%D0%B0_1234
Corvets have a radar picket role:
Rest in peace: the US described the actions of Russia against aircraft carriers
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I don't think has been posted, some training footage
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First one with Pantsir-M Odintsovo doing de-perming
Next one Burya looks like its getting an install
And the Kerch boats are on the move again
Next one Burya looks like its getting an install
And the Kerch boats are on the move again
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Finally something is going on with this class, whey have now, what, 4-5 hulls that are just sitting idle waiting on engines. That's 7 ships total, at least, with Long range precision missiles, more firepower then some entire Navy's.
The barrels are still missing o the Pantsir!
The barrels are still missing o the Pantsir!
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Small missile ships “Okhotsk” and "Vikhr" (serial numbers 255 and 256) towed for completion at the Pella plant
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4026754.html
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4026754.html
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Russia’s Baltic Fleet to receive 4 ships with Kalibr missiles and Pantsir systems
The Pantsir-M close-in weapon systems will soon undergo testing on the Odintsovo corvette
MOSCOW, May 18. /TASS/. The Baltic Fleet will receive a batch of six Project 22800 missile corvettes, armed with the Kalibr cruise missiles; four of them will also be armed with the Pantsir-M close-in weapon systems, which will soon undergo testing on the Odintsovo corvette, Russian Navy Commander Admiral Nikolay Yevmenov announced Monday.
"Soon, the surface part of the Baltic Fleet will be reinforced with a batch of six Project 22800 missile corvettes. Four of them will carry a naval version of the Pantsir system. Odintsovo will become the first one, the Pantsir system will undergo testing on this ship," the Commander’s congratulatory telegram to the sailors, dedicated to the Fleet’s 317th anniversary, says, according to the Fleet press service.
The Odintsovo corvette was initially laid down under Shkval name at the Saint Petersburg’s Pella shipyard on July 29, 2016; it was commissioned on May 5, 2018. The corvette is the first ship to be equipped with the naval version of the Pantsir system.
The Project 22800 corvettes are equipped with Kalibr cruise missiles, modern control, radio, navigation, electronic warfare systems, counter-diversion armaments, man-portable air-defense systems. The ships are designed to act either as part of naval groups or on their own.
https://tass.com/defense/1157495
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The fate of "Karakurt": distributed the first batch of small missile ships
The six latest RTOs will receive the Baltic, Black Sea and Pacific fleets
Small missile ships (RTOs) "Karakurt" will be divided between the fleets. Those who left the shipbuilding yards of 18 RTOs will be sent to the Pacific Ocean, the Baltic and Black Seas in equal shares - six units each. The Caspian Flotilla and the Northern Fleet will be left without the “kids” of this project. Experts note that this decision can be called unexpected, since it was originally planned to create one powerful missile group in the Navy and not to spray ships.
Hit from an ambush
A preliminary decision on the distribution of RTOs of project 22800 Karakurt was taken by the Navy Commander-in-Chief. However, it can still be adjusted - it depends on the timing of the implementation of the shipbuilding program, sources in the military department told Izvestia. RTOs have more than once unexpectedly been transferred from one fleet to another.
https://iz.ru/1013506/aleksei-ramm-bogdan-stepovoi/sudba-karakurta-raspredelena-pervaia-partiia-malykh-raketnykh-korablei
The six latest RTOs will receive the Baltic, Black Sea and Pacific fleets
Small missile ships (RTOs) "Karakurt" will be divided between the fleets. Those who left the shipbuilding yards of 18 RTOs will be sent to the Pacific Ocean, the Baltic and Black Seas in equal shares - six units each. The Caspian Flotilla and the Northern Fleet will be left without the “kids” of this project. Experts note that this decision can be called unexpected, since it was originally planned to create one powerful missile group in the Navy and not to spray ships.
Hit from an ambush
A preliminary decision on the distribution of RTOs of project 22800 Karakurt was taken by the Navy Commander-in-Chief. However, it can still be adjusted - it depends on the timing of the implementation of the shipbuilding program, sources in the military department told Izvestia. RTOs have more than once unexpectedly been transferred from one fleet to another.
https://iz.ru/1013506/aleksei-ramm-bogdan-stepovoi/sudba-karakurta-raspredelena-pervaia-partiia-malykh-raketnykh-korablei
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Caspian Fleet can do without Karakurts since they are more suited for anti-ship role anyway and maybe they can send several Buyans back to Caspian once Karakurts are delivered
North Fleet needs anti-sub ships so it's also not surprising they ain't getting them
But original plan was to have 18 Karakurts in one place? That would have been something, overkill of course but still would be cool
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Caspian fleet has enough ships. No big threats there to justify more of them. If they want more UKSK just put the container kalibr launchers on civilian ships.
All the other fleets needs more ships.
All the other fleets needs more ships.
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Isos wrote:Caspian fleet has enough ships. No big threats there to justify more of them. If they want more UKSK just put the container kalibr launchers on civilian ships. ...
Container Kalibrs don't exist so can we please stop with fanboying already?
Caspian Sea is perfect location for Byans, you hold entire Middle East/Central Asia in range from there
Once other fleets get new boats they should relocate several Buyans there (bring them back in other words)
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Container Kalibrs don't exist so can we please stop with fanboying already?
It exists but not deployed/bought.
Caspian Sea is perfect location for Byans, you hold entire Middle East/Central Asia in range from there
Once other fleets get new boats they should relocate several Buyans there (bring them back in other words)
Nato/Turley is a bigger concern for Russia. Middle east isn't Russia's problem and the Caspian neighbours are too weak to put in danger Russia.
They don't get that much new ships to allow relocating of Buyans and that's more true with the operation in Mediteranean that takes away half of the black sea fleet there constantly. That won't change for the next 15 years and conflicts like Syria will multiply recquiring more of the other fleet's ships.
Caspian sea isn't a priority for sure.
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Isos wrote:
Caspian sea isn't a priority for sure.
Now that missiles are getting longer ranges the Caspian is a pretty good place to keep assets safely out of harms way. Much of what they would be tasked with in the Black Sea they could surely do from there?
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Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class missile ship
TheArmenian on Wed May 20, 2020 10:31 pm
4th pr. 22800 for the Pacific Fleet "Pavlovsk" will be laid in the summer of 2020
https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/8514243
https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/8514243
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Re: Project 22800: "Karakurt" class missile ship
flamming_python on Thu May 21, 2020 5:41 am
Capsian Flotilla is already well stocked with the Gepard class frigates and Buyan-Ms; plus some older missile boats. It really doesn't need anything else. And the Buyan-Ms are good as they add versatility through their long-range missile capabilities; Russia is capable of striking targets in the Middle East from there.
The Karakurt meanwhile is a sort of ocean-rated version of the Buyan-M, given their construction and higher endurance. There are really only 2 fleets where it makes sense for them to be in - and those are the Pacific and Northern fleets. Perhaps you can make a case for the Mediterranean task force as well. The Baltic Fleet for sure can make do with the Buyan-M in place of the Karakurt.
The Karakurt meanwhile is a sort of ocean-rated version of the Buyan-M, given their construction and higher endurance. There are really only 2 fleets where it makes sense for them to be in - and those are the Pacific and Northern fleets. Perhaps you can make a case for the Mediterranean task force as well. The Baltic Fleet for sure can make do with the Buyan-M in place of the Karakurt.
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JohninMK wrote:Isos wrote:
Caspian sea isn't a priority for sure.
Now that missiles are getting longer ranges the Caspian is a pretty good place to keep assets safely out of harms way. Much of what they would be tasked with in the Black Sea they could surely do from there?
The opposite is actually half true. If you need to send reinforcement in the Med you needs to send ships from the black sea. They also cover the middle east with kalibr but not as much as from the Caspian sea because they are not that close to each other.
The naval threat in the caspian doesn't exist. In the black sea it exists and a ship is not only kalibr missiles but also radar and gun.
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"Odintsovo", built at the Pella shipyard for the Baltic Fleet, went to factory sea trials
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4030776.html
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4030776.html
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https://iz.ru/997369/aleksei-ramm-bogdan-stepovoi/buiana-ne-uniat-kaspiiskii-flot-idet-na-baltiku
https://iz.ru/1013506/aleksei-ramm-bogdan-stepovoi/sudba-karakurta-raspredelena-pervaia-partiia-malykh-raketnykh-korablei
https://iz.ru/1013506/aleksei-ramm-bogdan-stepovoi/sudba-karakurta-raspredelena-pervaia-partiia-malykh-raketnykh-korablei
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I doubt that it was the plan to send all ships to one fleet. The task of the small missile ships is not only to engage enemy ships, but to enhance the precision strike capabilities of a fleet. By putting all ships into one area, lets say the Black Sea, the pacific area or the arctic would gain nothing.
In the end there could be 18 MRK´s per fleet (Buyan-M´s + Karakurts). 30 are already ordered. There are 3 or even 4 yards building them. There are rumours that more Buyan-M´s will be ordered and we already seen a possible modernised, enlarged version of Karakurt. If all yards receive a new order of 6 ships each that would take the toll to 60 units. Not far from the numbers you need to equip the four fleets with 18 ships.
In the end there could be 18 MRK´s per fleet (Buyan-M´s + Karakurts). 30 are already ordered. There are 3 or even 4 yards building them. There are rumours that more Buyan-M´s will be ordered and we already seen a possible modernised, enlarged version of Karakurt. If all yards receive a new order of 6 ships each that would take the toll to 60 units. Not far from the numbers you need to equip the four fleets with 18 ships.
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