Project 22800: "Karakurt" class missile ship

Thats the question many have been wondering.
I thought it was part of the Zaslon system on first 2 but now I think its actually just radar transparent panel with a Mineral or similar OTH radar in the mast kinda like 20380.

Tingsay wrote:What aesa radars are Karakurts using?

I believe the panels are for the Pantsir radar mount on the 3rd vessels+. The 2 probably has nothing inside of it.

Oh yeah forgot to say the 3rd+

Appears to be 4* the SOTS radar from Pantsir-S2

This was apparently a concept/test mast


I think probably a Mineral or similar in the bigger dome. (first 2 seem to have Positiv dome)
But there is also this concept of the 2-sided radar straight from Pantsir-S2 in a dome thats got very similar proportions

But why would they have 2 rotating & 4 fixed but no OTH radar, makes more sense to be Mineral in the dome.

First two will propably have a air search radar under the dome, the two panels could be for surface search (anti-ship).
From the third air search ist done by the four radar panels around the mast and sea search by a radar under the dome, like on Nanuchka and Tarantul.
The optics seem to be for the guns, the one on top of the bridge for the 76,2mm gun, the two behind the mast for the AK-630´s.

Smokey start

There is also this of different class with similar, older engine, apparently taken from similar place & shortly before.


At speed on lake Ladoga

Huge praise to you, hoom. Always there with some good pics.

The russian Navy should develop a ASW version of the Karakurt. A towed sonar array and some torpedo tubes should do it.

Props should go to the ppl at Balancer forum that post them
I just have an excessive amount of time to look for them

Edit: While I quite like the idea of making ASW/AA specialist versions of 22800 as part of a really big 22800 build so that squadrons of 22800 could contain some specialists to create a full distributed capability it seems like Russia isn't going for that & probably 800ton is really too small for a proper specialisation.
I think Project 12700 or 22160 would probably be a better basis for a proper ASW specialist class.

Grishas are comparable in size. Pauks are smaller.

Yeah just realised that was a brain fart    I always seem to think of Grishas as more like 1500ton for some reason & I was thinking 12700 are similar size    
12700, 22800 & Grisha are about same size.

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Heavily armed cute ships

Karakurts (with Buyan-Ms) will replace all Nanuchkas, Tarantuls, Parchims and Boras 1 for 1, correct? I sure fucking hope so, seeing as how larger classes aren't remotely keeping up to pace.

Tingsay wrote:Heavily armed cute ships

Karakurts (with Buyan-Ms) will replace all Nanuchkas, Tarantuls, Parchims and Boras 1 for 1, correct? I sure fucking hope so, seeing as how larger classes aren't remotely keeping up to pace.

Neither Karakut nor Buyan can replace Parchim. Russia still lack light AWS corvette for replacing Grisha and Parchim class

Karakurt: pistol at the temple of imperialism
http://nvo.ng.ru/armament/2018-07-27/10_1006_ship.html?print=Y

Fair enough, if later they become surplus, some could be given to the CG or sold.

The announced plan is 18 which is fairly far short of 1:1.
12 Buyan-Ms as well help out.

Tingsay wrote:Heavily armed cute ships

Karakurts (with Buyan-Ms) will replace all Nanuchkas, Tarantuls, Parchims and Boras 1 for 1, correct? I sure fucking hope so, seeing as how larger classes aren't remotely keeping up to pace.

Parchims are ASW corvettes with torpedos, depth charges and RGU anti-sub rockets.  Karakurts won't replace these.

I also don't see as a given that all Nanuchkas & Tarantuls will be scrapped.  The better ones will probably be retained for quite awhile, probably modernised with Uran.  The pair of Molniya boats are being upgraded with Uran and Pantsir-M for delivery to navy by 2019, so I wouldn't surprised if other hulls were similarly retained and modernised.

2x Molniyas to be upgraded

I forgot Parchim was a light ASW. However, there should be no replacement for any light ASW. Decades ago yeah I see why they made them. Now? its just a half-assed anti-sub weapon. Shipborne light weight torpedos suck in these day and age. Outranged and outsped by submarine heavy torpedoes, its not funny. Helicopters for anti-sub or get out. Pr 22160 should have a ASW variant as replacement for Parchims.

Tingsay wrote:I forgot Parchim was a light ASW. However, there should be no replacement for any light ASW. Decades ago yeah I see why they made them. Now? its just a half-assed anti-sub weapon. Shipborne light weight torpedos suck in these day and age. Outranged and outsped by submarine heavy torpedoes, its not funny. Helicopters for anti-sub or get out. Pr 22160 should have a ASW variant as replacement for Parchims.

Light ASW still has uses in littoral areas like Baltic and the Black Sea where the likely enemy will be SSKs that lack the speed to outrun a fast surface corvette.  Helos clearly have much greater range and ability to interdict swiftly, but they are restricted to sonobuoys and magnetometers, and carry smaller aerial torpedos of limited range and warhead size. Parchims have a decent sonar (for their age) and 400mm torps, incl wire and acoustic guided variants, so they are quite capable in this regard.

Agree that a 22160 variant geared for ASW could be a fine replacement for the ageing Parchims but it would be a significant design change to include a box sonar and torpedos.

Big_Gazza wrote:

Tingsay wrote:I forgot Parchim was a light ASW. However, there should be no replacement for any light ASW. Decades ago yeah I see why they made them. Now? its just a half-assed anti-sub weapon. Shipborne light weight torpedos suck in these day and age. Outranged and outsped by submarine heavy torpedoes, its not funny. Helicopters for anti-sub or get out. Pr 22160 should have a ASW variant as replacement for Parchims.

Light ASW still has uses in littoral areas like Baltic and the Black Sea where the likely enemy will be SSKs that lack the speed to outrun a fast surface corvette.  Helos clearly have much greater range and ability to interdict swiftly, but they are restricted to sonobuoys and magnetometers, and carry smaller aerial torpedos of limited range and warhead size. Parchims have a decent sonar (for their age) and 400mm torps, incl wire and acoustic guided variants, so they are quite capable in this regard.

Agree that a 22160 variant geared for ASW could be a fine replacement for the ageing Parchims but it would be a significant design change to include a box sonar and torpedos.

They are needed for Ohotsk and White sea as well to protect bases RuNavy have there from submarine infiltration and to spare capital ships from that duty as much as possible.

So in terms of replacing 1:1 by Charly015 count http://charly015.blogspot.com/2018/07/los-graficos-de-la-armada-rusa.html there are currently its 36* Nanuchka & Tarantul

so the planned 12* Buyan-M & 18* 22800 actually does come fairly close to 1:1, just needs another batch of 6.

Lets be generous and count the six Bykovs.

They r already "testing the waters"!
Armed with "Caliber" small missile ships can go for export

"The corvette has an acceptable price, it is small, compact, high-speed, I believe that for a number of countries, especially the Asia-Pacific region - China, India, other countries - it has a good export potential, "Borisov said. ..Earlier it was reported that the Russian Navy should receive 18 small missile ships of Project 22800, while the first two would be transferred in 2018. The ships are equipped with a complex of high-precision missile weapons and modern artillery systems, power plants of Russian production.
http://www.ng.ru/news/623879.html?print=Y

The delivery time of warships in 2018 can be broken
http://www.ng.ru/news/624079.html?print=Y
This is a familiar pattern. The rule of thumb is: add up to 5 years for most of new ships to the initial delivery date.

I am not sure if I understood well but seems that production of 2 more Kakakuts is started. ( or at least 3 more are ordered)

https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/110323/

marat wrote:I am not sure if I understood well but seems that production of 2 more Kakakuts is  started. ( or at least  3 more are ordered)

https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/110323/

It states 27 are to be built under contract and three more have been laid down within that 27 number.