Project 22800: "Karakurt" class missile ship

What type are chaff launchers aft?

Well this should provide the ship with some decent air defence

I can't believe the Chinese can't produce engines of this type. Just source them from China.

Careful your speaking against the narrative.

LMFS wrote:we saw a further evolution of the class, just slightly bigger but with 16 UKSK cells and Redut on it. In view of the current construction times for bigger ships, they can use the 22800 to ramp up the military potential of the VMF considerably in half a decade or so...

LMFS wrote:

Sure, and a small corvette BTW... with more AShM punch than any Western ship

Off topic rant:

In fact I think the West has badly overplayed their hand and wasted their best cards too early, when they should have kept Russia vulnerable to Western military supplies for the case of a real conflict (not to talk about avoiding creating a new competitor and loosing billions in revenue...). The only thing they have achieved is to make sure Russia becomes watertight to their blackmail, at the cheap price of slightly delaying their naval construction plans. Who cares they have a 5-years delay for some ship classes, if they can still deter the West from attacking them?

They do it every time... after WWI they decided to make Germany and to a lessor extent the Soviets as the bad guys... there were no actual bad guys in WWII... it is just the natural result of two enormous military organisations facing each other.... the tiny countries will do something stupid and drag all the bigger powers in to something that never needed to happen. But by blaming Germany after WWI they were able to asset strip her and steal all her colonies world wide and in a sense even Poland was able to steal bits of Russia too... and they created Nazi germany as a natural reaction to getting bullied. The direct result was WWII after which it was clear that the Soviet Union was going to be the next big threat so everything was forgiven for west germany and imperial japan despite all the war crimes and atrocities they committed against the allies... the Soviets were seen as the biggest potential rivals that wont accept western hegemony... they called it a war on communism but were happy to get in to bed with communist China in their efforts to isolate the Soviets... even then they recognised that if the Soviets and China got together they would be in trouble... the huge irony is that if they could get in to bed with the communist Chinese then why not get in to bed with the Soviets.... they already did so to defeat the nazis and the Japs... but it seems that it really had nothing at all to do with communism.... it was really just about Russia.

Then the Soviet Union collapses and breaks up and the west actively seeks good relations with every Soviet republic except Russia... who they basically ram raid for cash and resources during the 1990s... people in power were making money hand over fist as the country haemorrhaged money and assets while the west simply forgot about Russia. They even stopped using them as bad guys in the movies because they were not scary enough any more... but still good for the drunk in the background of the story.

But then they started standing up and now the west notices, but China is standing up too and there are still some Americans deluded enough to think they can play Russia off up against China... a reverse of what they did in the cold war.

Russia could have become an enormously powerful resource rich ally that can speak to and talk around people who wont even listen to the west... because they understand them better.  Half the problem is that the west likes to use force anyway... you don't need to make as many concessions.... they didn't want Serbia and the Albanians in Kosovo to talk it out and sort out some sort of autonomous region deal... quicker and easier to bomb and declare them a new country.

But they blew it.... and honestly I am glad they did... if they had rolled all the sanctions they have imposed into one big one and added banning them from SWIFT and others and did it in 1995 the Russia probably would not have survived.... They would have struggled to fix everything at once... of course having said that if the Germans had invaded the Soviet Union in 1941 with their all powerful army and air force the Soviets would have been defeated because despite being a large armed force they were not ready... just like the British and French and Polish armed forces were not ready... but they didn't have a stretch of water to hide behind and they fought back even though it seemed hopeless and helpless... at the gates of Moscow, in Stalingrad, in Leningrad, at Kursk... they did what was needed to survive and win.

The politicians in the west think it will just take one more sanction and they will break and do as they are told...

I think after all these sanctions even the village idiot has realised the next sanction will just get a response from Russia that helps them more than it helps the west.  Western sanctions have been clumsy... the responding sanctions have been precise and with a purpose and in general have made Russia stronger and more independent and better able to take further sanctions.

But various members will tell us all politicians are the same and things like hiring mercs... every government does it... they are all the same...

But honestly... if the UK developed a vaccine for Covid-19 do you think the British politicians would allow it to be sent to Russia? I believe British Doctors and Scientists would send it, but British politicians? How about America... do you think Trump would let Russia or China or Iran or North Korea or Cuba have a vaccine without any need for anything in return? I am not so sure American doctors would share without charging money... does that make me bias in favour of the British?

I personally think Putin will let anyone and everyone make their vaccine if it proves effective and I think he might target countries with the most deaths to get it to first including the US and UK but also Australia and Iran, despite what those countries relentlessly say about him and Russia... but even then I doubt they would say anything nice and many will say it is a trick and it will really just infect people with something worse or some such shit

Sorry. Miles off topic...

I had not realized how similar the radar in Pantsir is compared to the one at the mast of the Odintsovo:

I can only think this is a very smart way to bring very reasonable AD capacity at a reduced price to a 800 t vessel.

Sure, and a small corvette BTW... with more AShM punch than any Western ship