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    Post  miketheterrible on Sun May 03, 2020 12:09 am

    Russian liberals and a huge portion of the media group believe in nonsense. They think the authorities never do enough. It's Yeltsin cronies these people. They just jump around and shout everything is bad.  But as one Russian politician said "it's easier to state how everything is bad
    But harder for them to come up with ideas to solve a situation."

    Russia handled this well. But Russians themselves are too stupid to handle it. They just walk around like nothing happens and demand to go about their daily lives and jump to Italy or whatever on vacation, then blame their authorities if they themselves get sick.

    People are just outright retarded.

    As for protection kits they are blatantly wrong. Russia had some shortages but nothing seen like here. And they manufacture their own, we do not.
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    Post  kvs on Sun May 03, 2020 12:45 am

    miketheterrible wrote:Russian liberals and a huge portion of the media group believe in nonsense. They think the authorities never do enough. It's Yeltsin cronies these people. They just jump around and shout everything is bad.  But as one Russian politician said "it's easier to state how everything is bad
    But harder for them to come up with ideas to solve a situation."

    Russia handled this well. But Russians themselves are too stupid to handle it. They just walk around like nothing happens and demand to go about their daily lives and jump to Italy or whatever on vacation, then blame their authorities if they themselves get sick.

    People are just outright retarded.

    As for protection kits they are blatantly wrong. Russia had some shortages but nothing seen like here. And they manufacture their own, we do not.

    This is just predictable contracted propaganda where NATzO projects onto Russia all of its own gross failures. Russia manufactures its own
    medical equipment unlike Canada which was scrambling to import it. Trump blocked sales of face masks (3M) to Canada because
    the US production was not covering demand by medical workers (forget about random citizens). And Russia has China next door to
    cover any gap regardless about all the cherry-picked BS about Chinese equipment being defective. These lying cunts never tell you
    that only part of the Chinese products are defective. Well, beggars can't be choosers.

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    Post  owais.usmani on Sun May 03, 2020 4:51 pm

    Looks like CNN has got something to cheer about cry

    https://edition.cnn.com/2020/05/03/europe/russia-coronavirus-cases-intl/index.html

    Russia adds record 10,000 coronavirus cases in dramatic turnaround as Putin's problems stack up


    Moscow (CNN)Russia reported 10,633 new coronavirus cases on Sunday, its fourth record single-day increase in a row, in what is becoming a major headache for President Vladimir Putin.

    The country's total number of cases is now 134,687, the seventh-highest number in the world, in a dramatic turnaround from the situation back in March.
    A total of 1,280 deaths has now been recorded, the country's coronavirus response headquarters said in a statement, adding that around 50% of the cases were asymptomatic. Moscow, the country's worst-hit city, accounts for more than a half of total cases.
    Last week, Russia extended its isolation period through May 11. "The daily increase in cases has relatively stabilized but this mustn't calm us down, the situation is still very serious," Putin said. "The peak is not behind us, we are about to face a new and grueling phase of the pandemic... the deadly threat of the virus remains."
    Anger is rising among the country's health workers after two dozen hospitals had to shut down for quarantines, with many doctors falling sick. Russian independent media and non-governmental organizations have reported anonymous pleas from outraged medical workers who said they had been ordered to the frontlines without adequate protection, and that bureaucratic foot-dragging was costing lives.
    On Thursday, as the number of cases passed 100,000, Russian Prime Minister Mikhail Mishustin appeared on state television informing Putin by video conference that he'd tested positive for the virus. That came a day after Mishustin said it was "impossible to give an exact date" for lifting Covid-19 restrictions in Russia, including reopening the country's borders.

    On Saturday, a Chinese city on the border with Russia issued an emergency epidemic prevention notice closing all dine-in restaurants "until further notice," according to China's state-run CCTV.
    The move by Harbin City in Heilongjiang Province came as other Chinese provinces began to lift lockdown measures. Heilongjiang has seen a spike in locally transmitted coronavirus cases.
    Chinese health authorities recently traced dozens of cases to a single flight that arrived in Shanghai from Moscow on April 10. A wave of cases in the city of Suifenhe, on the border with Russia's Far East, were attributed in large part to Chinese nationals returning from Russia.

    The Russian Defense Ministry reported an outbreak among its personnel, cadets and civilian employees. Reports have emerged of cases at military academies across the country, including among troops who took part in the Moscow rehearsals for the May 9 Victory Day parade.
    Back in March, Putin radiated confidence about his government's response to a growing global crisis, reassuring his citizens that the situation was "under control" thanks to early intervention measures. On April 1, the Russian President played the role of international rescuer, dispatching a planeload of medical supplies to New York's John F. Kennedy Airport.
    But by April 13, the mood had changed. "We have a lot of problems," Putin said in a video conference. "There is nothing to boast about, and we must not let our guard down, because in general, as you and your specialists say, we have not passed the peak of the epidemic yet."
    In a recent essay, Tatiana Stanovaya of the Carnegie Moscow Center said the pandemic had underscored Putin's isolation from ordinary Russians as he had failed to devise an adequate action plan or display sufficient empathy, handing the task of imposing the strictest restrictions to Sergey Sobyanin, the mayor of Moscow.
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    Post  kvs on Sun May 03, 2020 5:05 pm

    Who cares? Look at the death rate and compare it to NATzO self-anointed bastions of superiority.

    CNN is a cloaca of hate fantasy projection. They are loopy propagandists and I recall them comparing Kosovo Albanians
    fleeing on passenger trains into FYROM in 1999 to Jews being shipped to death camps in cattle cars.

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    Post  Hole on Sun May 03, 2020 8:22 pm

    Some slut paid for by the west claims something obviously stupid and false. Wow. What a surprise. Rolling Eyes

    For comparison, broken down to 100.000 people Germany has 3 times the infected people and nearly 9 times more dead then Russia. But western media claims all is fantastic in Germany and Merkel is more popular then ever (with half the numbers of Putin).

    But according to ARD, BBC and CNN there is no problem in France, England or Germany and a slight Problem in Italy, Spain and Trumpistan. But in Russia the sky is falling.
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    Post  owais.usmani on Sun May 03, 2020 10:17 pm

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries


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    Russia has 2nd highest number of Covid-19 tests done (4.1 million), behind only the US.
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    Post  owais.usmani on Tue May 05, 2020 5:17 pm

    https://covid.gov-murman.ru/news/361665/

    1801 Covid-19 cases at the Novatek's construction site in Belokamenka as of today.
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    Post  owais.usmani on Wed May 06, 2020 11:55 am

    https://www.awaragroup.com/blog/russian-economy-in-the-year-of-corona/

    Russia’s Corona Epidemic Response

    In a global comparison, Russia’s corona epidemic response has been very strong. The best and most foolproof indicator is the fatality rate. Russia has experienced the lowest Covid-19 mortality among all countries in the Northern Hemisphere, significantly lower than nearly all Western countries. Presently the fatality rate in Russia is 10 per 1 million, compared to 684 in Belgium, 544 (Spain), 483 (UK), 481 (Italy), 386 (France), 274 (Sweden) and 211 (USA).

    Russia’s initial decisive response helped reduce the spread. The Russian healthcare system proved superior to most other countries in terms of adequate facilities, medical devices and protective gear. Russia increased capacity nationwide by refurbishing existing hospitals and constructing 17 new ones in record time (4-6 weeks). The country also ramped up domestic production of medical necessities, including personal protective equipment. By May, Russia’s production capacity was enough to cover 100% of domestic needs. At the time of this writing, Russia has not yet exhausted its hospital capacity (even at the virus’ epicenter in Moscow).

    Another commendable facet of its response has been the rapid roll out of testing. In absolute numbers, Russia (4.5 million tests) is second only to the US. In per capita terms, Russia has conducted one-third more tests than the United States and is now on par with Germany.

    Most countries have almost exclusively tested only severely ill people who have been admitted to hospital. Russia, on the other hand, is currently the global leader in contact tracing. As a result, many outwardly healthy people have been tested. Two weeks ago, the Russian epidemiology authority reported that 60% of all those who tested positive in Moscow were asymptomatic. Later it was reported that 95% of all those who tested positive were either asymptomatic or only with mild symptoms, similar to a common cold. Lately, there have not been any new reports on the proportion of severely ill vs. those showing mild symptoms among people tested.. The author assumes this is due to the government’s efforts to motivate people to follow the stay-home orders strictly during the last ten days of the lockdown, coinciding with the traditional Russian May Day and Victory Day holidays. Due to the extraordinary warm and sunny weather, the government faces an increasing challenge to keep people at home. However, today the Swedish government reported that a staggering 98.5% of all infected people in their country were asymptomatic or mild. Presumably, this would also apply to Russia.

    Preliminary, the government has promised to start gradually loosen the lockdown restrictions starting from May 12. Most seem to think it is about time. The comparison of Russia’s infection with the global count would just not seem to motivate that Russia keeps the restrictions in full force anymore.
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    Post  kvs on Wed May 06, 2020 4:51 pm

    owais.usmani wrote:https://www.awaragroup.com/blog/russian-economy-in-the-year-of-corona/

    Russia’s Corona Epidemic Response


    In a global comparison, Russia’s corona epidemic response has been very strong. The best and most foolproof indicator is the fatality rate. Russia has experienced the lowest Covid-19 mortality among all countries in the Northern Hemisphere, significantly lower than nearly all Western countries. Presently the fatality rate in Russia is 10 per 1 million, compared to 684 in Belgium, 544 (Spain),  483 (UK), 481 (Italy), 386 (France), 274 (Sweden) and 211 (USA).

    Russia’s initial decisive response helped reduce the spread. The Russian healthcare system proved superior to most other countries in terms of adequate facilities, medical devices and protective gear. Russia increased capacity nationwide by refurbishing existing hospitals and constructing 17 new ones in record time (4-6 weeks). The country also ramped up domestic production of medical necessities, including personal protective equipment. By May, Russia’s production capacity was enough to cover 100% of domestic needs. At the time of this writing, Russia has not yet exhausted its hospital capacity (even at the virus’ epicenter in Moscow).

    Another commendable facet of its response has been the rapid roll out of testing. In absolute numbers, Russia (4.5 million tests) is second only to the US. In per capita terms, Russia has conducted one-third more tests than the United States and is now on par with Germany.

    Most countries have almost exclusively tested only severely ill people who have been admitted to hospital. Russia, on the other hand, is currently the global leader in contact tracing. As a result, many outwardly healthy people have been tested. Two weeks ago, the Russian epidemiology authority reported that 60% of all those who tested positive in Moscow were asymptomatic. Later it was  reported that 95% of all those who tested positive were either asymptomatic or  only with mild symptoms, similar to  a common cold. Lately, there have not been any new reports on the proportion of severely ill vs. those showing mild symptoms among people tested.. The author assumes this is due  to  the government’s efforts to motivate  people to follow  the stay-home orders strictly during the last ten days of the lockdown, coinciding with the traditional Russian May Day and Victory Day holidays. Due to the  extraordinary warm and sunny weather, the government faces an increasing challenge to keep people at home. However, today the Swedish government reported that a staggering 98.5% of all infected people in their country were asymptomatic or mild. Presumably, this would also apply to Russia.

    Preliminary, the government has promised to start gradually loosen the lockdown restrictions starting from May 12. Most seem to think it is about time. The comparison of Russia’s infection with the global count would just not seem to motivate that Russia keeps the restrictions in full force anymore.

    Russia is now in the 5th day of new cases hovering around 10,000. Given the pattern of infection from around the world, it is about to either go
    into decline in terms of new cases or stall in an oscillating plateau. But I think that the large amount of tests is giving a better picture of the
    daily infection rate so other countries which seem to have less daily infections are more than likely underestimating them.
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    Post  owais.usmani on Thu May 07, 2020 12:17 pm

    https://tass.ru/moskva/8415551

    MOSCOW, May 7. / TASS /. The number of people infected with coronavirus in Moscow is 2-2.5% of the population, which is about 300 thousand people. This was announced on Thursday by the mayor of the capital, Sergei Sobyanin, on the television channel Russia-24 .

    “The fact that we have identified so many patients is not a minus, but a huge plus. Obviously, there are even more really sick people in the city. According to screening studies, they are in the region of 2-2.5% of the total population of Moscow, in terms of the figures are about 300 thousand, "said the mayor.

    He added that the task of the authorities of the capital - the maximum possible identification of people infected with coronavirus. This is necessary to quarantine them and thus prevent infection of their contacts. "A huge work is being done for this, we doubled the tests in a week. Previously, we tested about 20 thousand, now - about 40 thousand," the mayor added.

    According to the latest data, 92 676 cases of coronavirus infection were confirmed in the capital.

    Case detection
    Sergei Sobyanin also noted that the detection rate of coronavirus infections in Moscow is higher than in New York.

    "If you look at the registration of newly diagnosed diseases in New York for the entire period and Moscow, we, perhaps, have already <...> surpassed New York by detectability," he said.

    Moscow authorities do not hide statistics on the detection of coronavirus infection. "We are not trying to push people away with their diseases. <...> A system for the early detection of the disease has been created," Sobyanin noted.

    Positive dynamics
    According to him, over the past two weeks the number of hospitalizations with coronavirus in Moscow has not increased.

    "Over the past two weeks, the number of hospitalizations [of people with coronavirus] has not increased. Moreover, today the number of hospitalized and those who are discharged shows a positive trend. More were discharged than were hospitalized. And this is the main result of our work," the mayor said .

    As the mayor noted, Muscovites will not soon have to return to life without limits.

    “Optimism can never be lost. How quickly we get out of this situation will largely depend on ourselves, on discipline. I don’t want to think about the future, but my opinion is all the same - we will not have to return to a full life without any restrictions soon ", - he said.

    The mayor is confident that residents will survive all the trials and "defeat the virus."

    Over the last day in Russia, 11,231 new cases of coronavirus were detected in 84 regions, of which 48.7% did not have clinical manifestations of the disease. 88 deaths were recorded. In a day, 2,476 people fully recovered in Russia.

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    Post  owais.usmani on Thu May 14, 2020 12:14 pm

    Is CNN again talking out of its ass or do they have a valid point?

    https://edition.cnn.com/2020/05/13/opinions/russia-low-covid-19-mortality-rate-sepkowitz/index.html

    Why is Russia's Covid-19 mortality rate so low?


    (CNN)For almost two weeks, three countries have led the rest of the world in the daily number of new Covid-19 infections: The United States, Russia and Brazil.

    This makes some sense -- each is in the top 10 of most populous countries with well over 125 million people and each has a few very crowded cities. Furthermore, each country was disorganized and disbelieving as the disease settled in their region.
    But one important difference separates Russia from the other two nations. As of Monday, in the United States, which has been in the midst of the pandemic for almost two months, the mortality rate from Covid-19 was 6%, according to Johns Hopkins; in Brazil, hard-hit for a month, the mortality was nearly 7%. And in parts of Western Europe, including Italy, France, Spain, Belgium and the UK the mortality rate was over 10%.
    But in Russia, where the pandemic arrived about the same time as Brazil, the mortality rate sat at less than 1%.
    How can this be?
    Dr. Elena Malinnikova, the chief of infectious diseases in the Russian Ministry of Health, has a simple explanation: The low mortality is due to timely detection of infection as well as the fact that that Russians tend to see their doctor soon after symptoms appear.
    Russian journalists have reported that more than 60% of all cases diagnosed in the country have been in Moscow, which has a younger and healthier population than rural areas.

    No matter the reason, the extremely low mortality rate is quite unexpected. So, I compared various factors to try to understand what's going on.
    The testing difference between Russia and Brazil is enormous. Dr. Malinnikova and Russian leaders should be very proud. At the time of writing, they have tested 40,995 people per million population. In contrast, Brazil has a very low rate, at 3,459 tests per million citizens. (for comparison, the US has a rate of 30,937 per million).
    As we have seen in Switzerland, Germany and other countries with extensive testing, mortality rates start low because so many cases are identified and never progress to serious illness though as the German epidemic has matured, the fatality rate has increased from less than 0.5% to about 4.5%.
    The profound testing difference may indeed be the main reason, but other factors can contribute to risk of death from Covid-19 infection, including being a male, advanced age, heart disease, chronic lung disease, diabetes and obesity, for which comparative countrywide information is available.
    Of note, Russia has high rates of these comorbid conditions, especially among men.
    Unfortunately, neither Russia nor Brazil has released much information regarding the age and sex distribution of the cases or the deaths in their country, though in late April, Brazil reported that 59% of coronavirus deaths were in men. However, per the World Bank, 15% of Russia's population is 65 years old or older, compared to Brazil with 9% (the US sits at 16%). This difference would predict that Brazil would have a lower mortality rate than Russia.

    Cardiac disease also is much more prevalent in Russia than Brazil. A recent study suggests that by any measurement, Russia has at least twice the rate of complications from cardiovascular disease as Brazil -- another reason Covid-19 death rates would be lower, not higher, in Brazil than Russia.
    No statistics for rates of chronic lung disease by country are available. However, smoking, a major cause of lung disease, is more common in Russia (57% of men and 23% of women) than Brazil (17% of men and 10% of women). In contrast, death from lung disease is lower in Russia (14.5 per 100,000) than in Brazil (26.6 per 100,000).
    Diabetes is about half as common in Russia (6%) compared to Brazil (10%) while rates of obesity are about the same: As of 2016, Russia was 70th in the world with a 23% prevalence while Brazil sat at 22% for 82nd in the world. (By comparison, the United States had the 12th highest rate at 36%).
    Therefore, the known and measurable risk factors for severe disease point to Russia having at least a comparable, if not a higher, death rate than Brazil.
    So, is Dr. Malinnikova correct? Is the difference really due to testing and the apparently efficient Russian health care system?
    Perhaps, but there may be other ways to explain the differences. We do not know, for example, how Russia attributes death to Covid-19. If a person with heart disease dies with the infection, which condition is the "cause?" How quickly does information come to Moscow from the rural areas which may have higher death rates given the higher rate of comorbidities?
    And what about nursing home deaths -- are these being included as Covid-19 related, even if a test was not performed?
    As in the US and elsewhere, accurate classification of a Covid-19-related death remains very important to our understanding of the disease and the effectiveness of our attempts to control it. However, certainty about how, exactly, a person died remains a very difficult determination.
    Diseases are not independent of each other: someone with heart disease will predictably fare worse with pneumonia than someone without heart disease -- but should the person die, what is the true cause of death? Probably a collision of illnesses that collectively overwhelm a person rather than a single nameable cause.

    This means that the cause of death can be tilted one way or another while still remaining accurate. And with a disease such as Covid-19, where political tensions are evident in many countries, this latitude (and the temptation to exploit it) calls to mind the chilling statement popularly attributed to Josef Stalin, though it's far from clear that he said it: "It is not who votes but who counts the votes that matters."
    In other words, the death rate from Covid-19 in Russia and worldwide is defined not by an internationally agreed upon definition, but by the authorities who are reporting. Once again, we may find our understanding of Covid-19 stymied by an altogether new uncertainty -- this one not medical at all, but entirely the product of political calculations.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Thu May 14, 2020 4:04 pm


    They are right about number of tests done and healthcare system in Russia is definitely better than Brazil

    Fact that Russia started preparing for pandemic the moment it started while Brazil is practically still ignoring it is also a big factor

    Rest of the article is just CNN doing their usual bullshit and being upset that this is yet another crisis that didn't go tell way they were hoping it would

    As for gender distribution here in Serbia we had about 2/3 of infected and dead being males so I assume same goes for rest of the world

    Our epidemiologist said that it would take 8 to 10 weeks for the whole thing to blow over and they were proven right so I assume same should apply to Russia

    Check when is started in Russia in full and add 10 weeks to get end date

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    Post  kvs on Thu May 14, 2020 4:18 pm

    CNN cherry picking BS.

    The deaths per million of the population is low in eastern Europe due to BCG vaccination:

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/coronavirus-more-striking-evidence-bcg-vaccine-might-protect-against-covid-19-1.4222110

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    Post  GarryB on Fri May 15, 2020 3:25 am

    Well it raises some important points... health care if you are rich , is good in the US, but because it is so expensive most people can't afford it, so they learn to avoid going to see their doctor for anything except those things that obviously need medical attention like a severed limb.

    Here in New Zealand for some reason dental is not treated as health care, so it is not free as such and generally not covered by accident protection. This results in most adult New Zealanders avoiding going to the dentist where possible... leading to lots of pain and suffering... you basically take pain killers till the tooth is dead and does not hurt any more...

    Another factor is that Russia is doing a lot more tests than countries like Brazil so their quarantine is more effective and those infected likely get treated earlier.

    As also previously mentioned on this forum, during the 1990s there was a few epidemics that required hospitals to have equipment to help people with breathing difficulties.... and it was interesting... I read a report about how the Germans are coping so well is mainly because of a different attitude to health care to other western countries.

    I call it the big church small church problem.

    When you build a church you need to decide how big to make it... you can make it small so every week it will be fully used, but on special holidays like easter and xmas etc etc it will need extra capacity and you might have to turn people away or have them stand outside. The advantage is that it will be cheaper to build and cheaper to operate day to day because it will be easier to heat or keep cool and wont seem largely empty every week with 10-20 regulars compared with hundreds or more a Xmas or Easter. The regulars will be funding the churches day to day operations, but operations costs will be lower with a smaller church. If you build big so no matter what it will never be full, then you can book big events to be held like the largest weddings and shindigs which can bring in more revenue when needed, but it will cost more to heat and maintain and most of the year it will seem almost empty with just the usual customers.

    The difference here is that with a Hospital you don't want to be in a position were you have patients in the hallways or to turn away patients or send them home early so you can free up some beds.

    The Germans didn't minimise the number of available beds to save money, so they were not overwhelmed like hospitals in countries that cared more about money and costs than about people.

    Ironically the US saves all the money it can yet it still works out expensive... but only for the patient...
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    Post  owais.usmani on Fri May 15, 2020 7:14 am

    Another one from CNN:

    https://edition.cnn.com/2020/05/14/europe/russia-coronavirus-deaths-intl/index.html

    Why Moscow didn't count 60% of suspected Covid-19 deaths


    Moscow (CNN)Moscow's health department hit back at media reports that it was underreporting Covid-19 fatalities, saying its data was "absolutely open," but acknowledging that it only counts deaths that were found through postmortem autopsy to have been caused directly by coronavirus complications.

    In a statement Wednesday, the Moscow health department said authorities conducted autopsies on 100% of suspected coronavirus victims and confirmed that 639 people died directly of coronavirus complications in April.
    "In other cases, it's impossible to put Covid-19 as the cause of death," the health department said in a statement Wednesday, acknowledging the April spike in mortality rates.
    "In more than 60% of [suspected] cases, deaths were caused by obvious alternative causes, such as heart failure, stage four malignant diseases, leukemia ... and other incurable deadly diseases," it said.
    City health officials argue that a mandatory autopsy is performed on all patients with suspected coronavirus to establish diagnosis and cause of death "in contrast with the practice in most other countries," adding: "Post-mortem diagnoses and causes of death recorded in Moscow are therefore extremely accurate, and mortality data is completely open. It is impossible to name the cause of death as Covid-19 in other cases."

    CNN and other news outlets reported this week that Moscow saw a surge in mortality in April, according to civil register's data. The city registered 11,846 death certificates that month, which is about 20% higher compared to a ten-year average of 9,866 deaths.
    The statistics in the Russian capital have come under scrutiny as observers note the comparatively low overall number of deaths in Russia -- a total that currently stands at 2,305 according to Johns Hopkins University -- even as the country takes second place in the world for the number of confirmed cases, over a quarter of a million.
    Russia has the second-highest number of cases behind the US, and Moscow is the country's worst hit-city. According to official statistics, Moscow has seen a total of 1,290 deaths out of an official total of over 130,000 cases recorded as of Thursday, although Moscow Mayor Sergey Sobyanin has said the total number of people infected is likely higher, based on screening studies.
    The statement from the Moscow health authorities argued that even if all mortality figures for April in Moscow were adjusted to attribute more cases to coronavirus, the overall mortality rate from Covid-19 infections would be far lower than the official mortality rates in New York and London.
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    Post  dino00 on Fri May 15, 2020 2:17 pm

    [quote="GarryB"]

    Another factor is that Russia is doing a lot more tests than countries like Brazil so their quarantine is more effective and those infected likely get treated earlier.

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    In Brazil it will be an absolute catastrophe, their President is an South American Trump, this fascist idiot here: lol1

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    Their Health minister is this genius here:



    Edit the genius above just quit, he was the only one in the Brazilian government that take covid-19 serious, Brazil will be the number 1 in deaths per day in the short time.


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    Post  kvs on Fri May 15, 2020 3:02 pm

    owais.usmani wrote:Another one from CNN:

    https://edition.cnn.com/2020/05/14/europe/russia-coronavirus-deaths-intl/index.html

    Why Moscow didn't count 60% of suspected Covid-19 deaths



    Moscow (CNN)Moscow's health department hit back at media reports that it was underreporting Covid-19 fatalities, saying its data was "absolutely open," but acknowledging that it only counts deaths that were found through postmortem autopsy to have been caused directly by coronavirus complications.

    In a statement Wednesday, the Moscow health department said authorities conducted autopsies on 100% of suspected coronavirus victims and confirmed that 639 people died directly of coronavirus complications in April.
    "In other cases, it's impossible to put Covid-19 as the cause of death," the health department said in a statement Wednesday, acknowledging the April spike in mortality rates.
    "In more than 60% of [suspected] cases, deaths were caused by obvious alternative causes, such as heart failure, stage four malignant diseases, leukemia ... and other incurable deadly diseases," it said.
    City health officials argue that a mandatory autopsy is performed on all patients with suspected coronavirus to establish diagnosis and cause of death "in contrast with the practice in most other countries," adding: "Post-mortem diagnoses and causes of death recorded in Moscow are therefore extremely accurate, and mortality data is completely open. It is impossible to name the cause of death as Covid-19 in other cases."

    CNN and other news outlets reported this week that Moscow saw a surge in mortality in April, according to civil register's data. The city registered 11,846 death certificates that month, which is about 20% higher compared to a ten-year average of 9,866 deaths.
    The statistics in the Russian capital have come under scrutiny as observers note the comparatively low overall number of deaths in Russia -- a total that currently stands at 2,305 according to Johns Hopkins University -- even as the country takes second place in the world for the number of confirmed cases, over a quarter of a million.
    Russia has the second-highest number of cases behind the US, and Moscow is the country's worst hit-city. According to official statistics, Moscow has seen a total of 1,290 deaths out of an official total of over 130,000 cases recorded as of Thursday, although Moscow Mayor Sergey Sobyanin has said the total number of people infected is likely higher, based on screening studies.
    The statement from the Moscow health authorities argued that even if all mortality figures for April in Moscow were adjusted to attribute more cases to coronavirus, the overall mortality rate from Covid-19 infections would be far lower than the official mortality rates in New York and London.

    I have post dealing with this BS in the Covid-19 thread. Whether it is 70% or 60% CNN et al. have nothing to stroke their retarded dicks with.

    Increasing the Russian deaths per million by 333% still puts Russia way behind most of the west aside from Germany which is still three times
    larger mortality per capita than Russia but only thanks to the BCG vaccination of eastern Germany.
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    https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/132581/

    Russian scientists have proposed using a breath analyzer for mass diagnostics of coronavirus

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