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    Post  George1 Fri Sep 10, 2021 3:25 pm

    Integration of Russia, Belarus to continue on equitable basis, Kremlin says

    Kremlin confirms plans to hold Union State Supreme State Council meeting on November 4
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    Post  George1 Fri Sep 10, 2021 4:14 pm

    Russia and Belarus proceed towards economic integration

    Monetary policy agreement between Russia and Belarus to be concluded before December 2022

    Russia, Belarus agree on mutual admission of banking organizations

    Union State Council of Ministers approves 28 sectoral programs — PM Mishustin

    Putin announced signing of documents on single oil and gas market of Russia and Belarus

    Russia and Belarus to create single payment space within Union State — Putin

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    Post  LMFS Fri Nov 05, 2021 1:44 am

    The Parliament of Belarus announced the recognition of Crimea as Russian

    https://vz.ru/news/2021/11/4/1127641.html

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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Nov 05, 2021 5:30 am

    LMFS wrote:The Parliament of Belarus announced the recognition of Crimea as Russian

    https://vz.ru/news/2021/11/4/1127641.html

    Amazing what a sensation of tightening noose can do for person's flexibility...

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    Post  ALAMO Fri Nov 05, 2021 10:05 am

    The single oil&gas market is the core of the Luki affair.
    Still, it is a Russian contribution for the federation anyway.
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    Post  JohninMK Sat Nov 06, 2021 11:19 pm

    Couldn't find a existing thread on this.

    It is a growing subject so, to put it in context, a map Smile

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    Post  d_taddei2 Sun Dec 05, 2021 9:45 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Couldn't find a  existing thread on this.

    It is a growing subject so, to put it in context, a map Smile

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    It's a pity that Belarus land mass didn't extend to Kaliningrad.
    Belarus will always be independent to satisfy the national feeling of being independent, but 80-90% integration will exist between the two. That's what think will end up happening. Luko will be happy as he's still a president, but with the benefits of Russian systems and protection.

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    Post  PhSt Sun Dec 05, 2021 9:52 pm

    Belarus will always be independent to satisfy the national feeling of being independent, but 80-90% integration will exist between the two. That's what think will end up happening. Luko will be happy as he's still a president, but with the benefits of Russian systems and protection.

    Well, Belarus can be a Russian republic and Lukashenko can keep his title as President like in Tatarstan.

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    Post  calripson Mon Dec 06, 2021 12:24 am

    PhSt wrote:
    Belarus will always be independent to satisfy the national feeling of being independent, but 80-90% integration will exist between the two. That's what think will end up happening. Luko will be happy as he's still a president, but with the benefits of Russian systems and protection.

    Well, Belarus can be a Russian republic and Lukashenko can keep his title as President like in Tatarstan.

    The first pro-western leader of Belarus after Lukashenko will eviscerate the "union" faster than you can say Brest-Litovsk. The only way for union would have been a permanent union with the Belarussian elite and intelligence and military firmly embedded in the Russian system. I think it is already too late for that.

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    Post  calripson Mon Dec 06, 2021 12:26 am

    d_taddei2 wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:Couldn't find a  existing thread on this.

    It is a growing subject so, to put it in context, a map Smile

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    It's a pity that Belarus land mass didn't extend to Kaliningrad.
    Belarus will always be independent to satisfy the national feeling of being independent, but 80-90% integration will exist between the two. That's what think will end up happening. Luko will be happy as he's still a president, but with the benefits of Russian systems and protection.

    Well, Stalin drew that map. He kind of gave a middle finger to Lithuania by making Kaliningrad Russian to begin with, but he obviously never conceptualized a Gorbachev coming along.

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    Post  PhSt Mon Dec 06, 2021 2:44 am

    calripson wrote:
    PhSt wrote:
    Belarus will always be independent to satisfy the national feeling of being independent, but 80-90% integration will exist between the two. That's what think will end up happening. Luko will be happy as he's still a president, but with the benefits of Russian systems and protection.

    Well, Belarus can be a Russian republic and Lukashenko can keep his title as President like in Tatarstan.

    The first pro-western leader of Belarus after Lukashenko will eviscerate the "union" faster than you can say Brest-Litovsk. The only way for union would have been a permanent union with the Belarussian elite and intelligence and military firmly embedded in the Russian system. I think it is already too late for that.

    Haven't Russia learned from Ukraine? Are you suggesting Russia will just sit idle while NATO installs an anti-Russian leader in Belarus?
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    Post  miketheterrible Mon Dec 06, 2021 8:02 am

    PhSt wrote:
    calripson wrote:
    PhSt wrote:
    Belarus will always be independent to satisfy the national feeling of being independent, but 80-90% integration will exist between the two. That's what think will end up happening. Luko will be happy as he's still a president, but with the benefits of Russian systems and protection.

    Well, Belarus can be a Russian republic and Lukashenko can keep his title as President like in Tatarstan.

    The first pro-western leader of Belarus after Lukashenko will eviscerate the "union" faster than you can say Brest-Litovsk. The only way for union would have been a permanent union with the Belarussian elite and intelligence and military firmly embedded in the Russian system. I think it is already too late for that.

    Haven't Russia learned from Ukraine? Are you suggesting Russia will just sit idle while NATO installs an anti-Russian leader in Belarus?

    That isn't what he is saying at all. He is saying hypothetically. The pro western stooge of the west fled the country so.....
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    Post  GarryB Mon Dec 06, 2021 11:41 am

    If the people of Belarus are so stupid as to want to walk down the same path as the people of the Ukraine then let them... Kaliningrad is separated from Russian territory... whether than includes Belarus or not is not really that important.

    Personally I think they should have redirected those NSII pipes to Kaliningrad and have the gas hub for Europe there...
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    Post  calripson Mon Dec 06, 2021 7:17 pm

    PhSt wrote:
    calripson wrote:
    PhSt wrote:
    Belarus will always be independent to satisfy the national feeling of being independent, but 80-90% integration will exist between the two. That's what think will end up happening. Luko will be happy as he's still a president, but with the benefits of Russian systems and protection.

    Well, Belarus can be a Russian republic and Lukashenko can keep his title as President like in Tatarstan.

    The first pro-western leader of Belarus after Lukashenko will eviscerate the "union" faster than you can say Brest-Litovsk. The only way for union would have been a permanent union with the Belarussian elite and intelligence and military firmly embedded in the Russian system. I think it is already too late for that.

    Haven't Russia learned from Ukraine? Are you suggesting Russia will just sit idle while NATO installs an anti-Russian leader in Belarus?

    It depends who leads Russia after Putin.

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    Post  miketheterrible Mon Dec 06, 2021 8:31 pm

    calripson wrote:
    PhSt wrote:
    calripson wrote:
    PhSt wrote:
    Belarus will always be independent to satisfy the national feeling of being independent, but 80-90% integration will exist between the two. That's what think will end up happening. Luko will be happy as he's still a president, but with the benefits of Russian systems and protection.

    Well, Belarus can be a Russian republic and Lukashenko can keep his title as President like in Tatarstan.

    The first pro-western leader of Belarus after Lukashenko will eviscerate the "union" faster than you can say Brest-Litovsk. The only way for union would have been a permanent union with the Belarussian elite and intelligence and military firmly embedded in the Russian system. I think it is already too late for that.

    Haven't Russia learned from Ukraine? Are you suggesting Russia will just sit idle while NATO installs an anti-Russian leader in Belarus?

    It depends who leads Russia after Putin.

    You and I both know that after Putin it's gonna be someone like him. Majority of power is now in hands of the security council of the Duma.
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    Post  flamming_python Tue Dec 07, 2021 1:12 am

    PhSt wrote:
    Belarus will always be independent to satisfy the national feeling of being independent, but 80-90% integration will exist between the two. That's what think will end up happening. Luko will be happy as he's still a president, but with the benefits of Russian systems and protection.

    Well, Belarus can be a Russian republic and Lukashenko can keep his title as President like in Tatarstan.

    Belarus is not going to become part of Russia, these were regarded as two separate republics within the borders of the USSR, with many of their own institutions such as the ministry of culture and so on, and the constitution mandated them as so, with the right for any of the republics to hold a referendum on becoming independent

    You certainly aren't going to get closer 'integration' now, as compared to the Soviet-era

    You can hardly compare Belarus to Tatarstan. Belarus is a homogenous country of about 10 million people, with their own very similar but still distinct language, history and culture as compared to Russia.
    Tatarstan has been part of Russia for longer so to speak, since the mid-16th century. While Russia-Belarussian unity was interrupted by the fall of Kievan Rus' and wasn't restored until the late 18th century. The interim period, most of Belarus spent as part of the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth and it still shows, if you go to the country, look at the architecture, see how the latin-script version of Belarussian looks, and take a look at the size of the Catholic minority there.
    Tatarstan is also smaller, the Tatars number several million but more than half don't even live in Tatarstan itself, half of Tatarstan's population are Russians, and most importantly - Tatarstan is enveloped by the rest of Russia, it has no outside borders.
    It never made sense to make Tatarstan a union-level republic and thus it was never done.

    Belarus will stay as an independent country, but many things will be unified, I agree entirely with d_taddei's reading of things.

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    Post  jhelb Wed Dec 08, 2021 9:41 am

    flamming_python wrote:and take a look at the size of the Catholic minority there.
    Catholism and Protestantism are being pushed by the West. Majority of Belarussians are Orthodox even today.
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    Post  calripson Wed Dec 08, 2021 6:26 pm

    jhelb wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:and take a look at the size of the Catholic minority there.
    Catholism and Protestantism are being pushed by the West. Majority of Belarussians are Orthodox even today.

    There is a huge community of Belarussian Baptists where I live. I think they have been Baptists from long before 1991.
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    Post  d_taddei2 Fri Dec 10, 2021 11:37 am

    All Belarusian banks have connected to the Russian analogue of SWIFT (Central Bank of Russia Financial Messaging System)
    https://t.me/rian_ru/134043

    Russia supplied Belarusian Armed Forces with BTR-82A vehicles. Echelon arrived in Hrodna
    https://t.me/modmilby/9934

    Belarus expects to restructure part of debt to Russia next year - Minister of Finance
    https://t.me/tass_agency/94223

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Fri Dec 24, 2021 6:05 am

    Belarus & Russia Union State: update Deepening integration of Belarus and Russia: why Boris Gryzlov can become the new ambassador in Minsk
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    Post  George1 Tue Jan 04, 2022 8:04 pm

    Union State Treaty virtually recognizes Russia’s ownership of Crimea - official

    https://tass.com/politics/1383537

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    Post  Scorpius Tue Feb 08, 2022 12:26 am

    A big interview Lukashenko with Solovyov.

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