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    GarryB
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    Post  GarryB Wed Apr 21, 2021 5:52 am

    no, i meant that is they have to subside it it makes only sense to integrate it fully.

    I would say the opposite, if they are spending money to keep it working, yet they don't identify as Russians and are looking to the west then stay separate and as they move west drop the subsidies and let the west take up that money injection like they did with the Ukraine.

    Russia buys lots of optical systems and trucks and vehicles from Belarus, but I am not sure the EU would buy much of it.

    They do make good optics and vehicles but there are Russian alternatives they could be buying instead...

    So the however many billion spent on products from Belarus could go to Russian companies, but I agree with FP... Belarus is fine as it is, the problem is Luka.

    HATO and the US is gathering countries like a hoarder at an everything for a dollar sale, but they are unified by two things... Russia and China...

    Pretty soon the EU is going to get sick of the US dictating what they have to do and trade with Asia through the various trade routes Russia and China have set up at great cost will mean some EU countries will be able to trade cheaply with Asia and Russia and China, and the Russophobes wont.

    Once trade gets back to normal and those countries cooperating with Russia and China start to make money the others will likely soften their hard lines.... or not... who cares... not Russias problem nor Chinas problem... if they have principles and don't want to trade that is fine... plenty of other countries that will.
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    Post  Hannibal Barca Wed Apr 21, 2021 1:35 pm

    Time for Belarus Russia reunion.
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    Post  gbu48098 Wed Apr 21, 2021 3:40 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    no, i meant that is they have to subside it it makes only sense to integrate it fully.

    I would say the opposite, if they are spending money to keep it working, yet they don't identify as Russians and are looking to the west then stay separate and as they move west drop the subsidies and let the west take up that money injection like they did with the Ukraine.

    Russia buys lots of optical systems and trucks and vehicles from Belarus, but I am not sure the EU would buy much of it.

    They do make good optics and vehicles but there are Russian alternatives they could be buying instead...

    So the however many billion spent on products from Belarus could go to Russian companies, but I agree with FP... Belarus is fine as it is, the problem is Luka.

    HATO and the US is gathering countries like a hoarder at an everything for a dollar sale, but they are unified by two things... Russia and China...

    Pretty soon the EU is going to get sick of the US dictating what they have to do and trade with Asia through the various trade routes Russia and China have set up at great cost will mean some EU countries will be able to trade cheaply with Asia and Russia and China, and the Russophobes wont.

    Once trade gets back to normal and those countries cooperating with Russia and China start to make money the others will likely soften their hard lines.... or not... who cares... not Russias problem nor Chinas problem... if they have principles and don't want to trade that is fine... plenty of other countries that will.

    We can all say we underestimate the amount of stupid again and again. Suicide is irrational as it ends most things in this live and dimension but its a choice one has. Lot of people and countries shoot themselves and Russia had its own experiences much worse than Ukraine commiting idiotic suicides, if your elect leaders that are dogs then your people deserve the life similar to a dog especially in democracy and if your people are idiots then also they deserve to be hung dry.
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    Post  gbu48098 Wed Apr 21, 2021 11:08 pm

    From sputnik on Putin's speech....the highlited is funny...

    Mentioning the recently uncovered foreign-backed plot to assassinate Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko and members of his family and to stage a coup in Belarus, Putin said this plot "crossed all boundaries" of legitimate intercourse between nations. Commenting on the plot’s details – including plans to shut down the Minsk power grid and shut down the city’s infrastructure and communications, Putin suggested that “apparently, it’s not for no reason that our Western colleagues have stubbornly rejected numerous proposals by the Russian side to establish an international dialogue in the field of information and cybersecurity.”
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Thu Apr 22, 2021 1:49 am

    Okay lets say this is true, Then Luka is even more of an idiot than anyone thought.

    Also Russia KNOWS at this point for sure we are coming for Belarus.

    So if the Russians let Belarus get taken away despite the advance warning that incompetence is legendary.
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    Post  Backman Thu Apr 22, 2021 2:22 am

    GarryB wrote:
    no, i meant that is they have to subside it it makes only sense to integrate it fully.



    Russia buys lots of optical systems and trucks and vehicles from Belarus, but I am not sure the EU would buy much of it.


    Its a safe guess that the EU would buy literally none of it. If Belarus left Russia it would also leave the CIS/EEU. And it would be shut out of Chinese money too.

    Belarus would fall farther than Ukraine if it left the CIS/EEU and that is saying something.
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    Post  kvs Thu Apr 22, 2021 3:42 am

    Backman wrote:
    GarryB wrote:
    no, i meant that is they have to subside it it makes only sense to integrate it fully.



    Russia buys lots of optical systems and trucks and vehicles from Belarus, but I am not sure the EU would buy much of it.


    Its a safe guess that the EU would buy literally none of it. If Belarus left Russia it would also leave the CIS/EEU. And it would be shut out of Chinese money too.

    Belarus would fall farther than Ukraine if it left the CIS/EEU and that is saying something.

    Indeed. Belarus has been living of $8 billion US from Russia on average every year of net subsidies. Not trade volume. That
    is for a country of 9.5 million. So it has been getting more subsidy from Russia per capita than Ukraine before 2014.

    Unlike Ukraine, the nazionalist roots in Belorus are shallow and weak. It will not flip into an anti-Russian toilet like
    Ukraine and the Baltic statelets. It is true that it only takes a few percent of the population to grab power. But
    they will not be able to hold onto it. Any coup, such as the one that was just stopped, will lead to a civil war in
    Belorus. There will not be some buttery smooth flip flop like in Ukraine.

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    Post  lancelot Thu Apr 22, 2021 7:05 am

    kvs wrote:...Indeed.  Belarus has been living of $8 billion US from Russia on average every year of net subsidies.   Not trade volume.   That
    is for a country of 9.5 million.   So it has been getting more subsidy from Russia per capita than Ukraine before 2014.  

    Unlike Ukraine, the nazionalist roots in Belorus are shallow and weak.   It will not flip into an anti-Russian toilet like
    Ukraine and the Baltic statelets.   It is true that it only takes a few percent of the population to grab power.   But
    they will not be able to hold onto it.   Any coup, such as the one that was just stopped, will lead to a civil war in
    Belorus.   There will not be some buttery smooth flip flop like in Ukraine.  

    Does that number include or exclude the nuclear power plants they are building in Belarus?
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    Post  miketheterrible Fri Apr 23, 2021 8:25 am

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    Post  franco Fri Apr 23, 2021 8:46 am

    Since they are behind it, not too surprising they are being silent about it. Suspect
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    Post  PhSt Fri Apr 23, 2021 8:56 am

    franco wrote:Since they are behind it, not too surprising they are being silent about it. Suspect

    Why isn't Belarus kicking out all Americunt diplomats from the country and closing down the American embassy?
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    Post  lyle6 Fri Apr 23, 2021 9:16 am

    PhSt wrote:

    Why isn't Belarus kicking out all Americunt diplomats from the country and closing down the American embassy?

    Daily reminder Luka's highest career attainment prior to the extraordinary events of the 1990s that severely distorted the normal pipelines to power, was general director of a state farm.

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    Post  kvs Fri Apr 23, 2021 5:20 pm

    lancelot wrote:
    kvs wrote:...Indeed.  Belarus has been living of $8 billion US from Russia on average every year of net subsidies.   Not trade volume.   That
    is for a country of 9.5 million.   So it has been getting more subsidy from Russia per capita than Ukraine before 2014.  

    Unlike Ukraine, the nazionalist roots in Belorus are shallow and weak.   It will not flip into an anti-Russian toilet like
    Ukraine and the Baltic statelets.   It is true that it only takes a few percent of the population to grab power.   But
    they will not be able to hold onto it.   Any coup, such as the one that was just stopped, will lead to a civil war in
    Belorus.   There will not be some buttery smooth flip flop like in Ukraine.  

    Does that number include or exclude the nuclear power plants they are building in Belarus?

    It is an aggregate number which include the oil and natural gas price discounts. Russia's "brotherly" relations are always
    rewarded with venomous spite. Humans and their psychology are excrement.


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