The Situation in the Ukraine. #2

Vann7 wrote:So basically Russia got 5 old corvettes and a bunch of useless and outdated transport ships..many coastal patrol boats civilian like and a ready to scrap for metal tiny electric submarine. Ukraine retain their best warship a Frigate and others important ships. Not that i complain , and is better than nothing for sure .
But not impressive what Russia gets .

navyfield wrote:hahahahaaaa
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Viktor wrote:

Vann7 wrote:So basically Russia got 5 old corvettes and a bunch of useless and outdated transport ships..many coastal patrol boats civilian like and a ready to scrap for metal tiny electric submarine. Ukraine retain their best warship a Frigate and others important ships. Not that i complain , and is better than nothing for sure .
But not impressive what Russia gets .

But also got 3 S-300PM regiments and 40 MiG-29 that needs repairing.

Crimean Combat Dolphins to Help Emergencies Ministry Divers Locate Explosives – Source

SEVASTOPOL, March 27 (RIA Novosti) – Crimean combat dolphins will help divers from the Russian Emergencies Ministry find explosives on the floor of the Black Sea, an employee at the Sevastopol State Oceanarium said on Thursday.
Combat dolphins were previously trained through programs for the Ukrainian Navy before the fall of the Soviet Union, and the country’s military renewed the program in 2012.
“We plan on using our dolphins to train together with Emergencies Ministry divers to search for submerged items or arms,” the employee told RIA Novosti on terms of anonymity.
He said the main mission with the dolphins is to remain within Russia’s naval fleet.
“This means the search for items on the seafloor, patrolling the marine area, locating submarines and combat seals. We expect that this will become a separate sphere for military training for the Russian Navy.”
Today, there are only two combat dolphin training centers in the world: San Diego and Sevastopol. The use of other animals in the Russian Navy remains confidential.

GarryB wrote:so many anti Obama Americans that would happily change their mind about Russia even just temporarily just to make Obama look bad.

We did not claim or annex iraqs territory.
We did not grab its resources for our own gain.

Instead we ended our war. And left Iraq to its people.

A fully souvereign, iraqi state, that can make decisions about its own future.

Werewolf wrote:

So according to 'Murica, it is by far badder to let decide people under international law, monitored by independed EU politicians of the referendum elections about their future rather than Bombing a country for over 10 years, killing over 1.4+ mln civilians, polluding the entire country with nuclear waste for the next generations to destroy peoples (families) future and destroying entire gen pools of innocent civilians, use of chemical weapons like White phosphorous, using of unidentified agents against civilians for test analysis, gaining power over iraqi government, exploiting the country and its resources for own good and installing puppets that are terrorizing daily its own population.

While Russia did not invade Crimea, it did not give a single shot on any person, no one died by russian hand, elections of the referendum of Crimea was free and was reported by EU parlament member Ewald Stadler.

1.4 mln dead vs 0 dead.

AlfaT8 wrote:You forgot that one sniper and the and the 2 people he killed.   

Vann7 wrote:The 40 migs is not bad.. yes they can be repaired and painted and upgraded and way more cheap than to build another one.  Im curious about the S-300s.. Since the new Ukrainian Government is Hostile to Russia . Im sure NATO were able to capture a lonely S-300 for reverse engineer it.. any one knows?

TheArmenian wrote:Obtaining the lone Ukrainian frigate would have been nice of course. But there are many valuable ships that Russia got hold of:

-The Ropucha class landing ship: This one is more valuable than anything else at the moment. This kind of workhorse is doing most of the work in resupplying Syria.
-The 3 Grisha class corvettes: These are of the later Grisha IV type with the Fregat type radar. They are just as good as the best one the Russians have. These ships are great for patrolling the Black sea.
-The 2 Natya class minesweepers: They are ocean-going minesweepers and can do a variety of jobs (including mine warfare, patrol, surveillance etc.)
-The Slavutych command ship: Allegedly it is in good shape.
-The Donbass tender: Great for supporting subs in the Mediterranean.
-The Tarantul class missile boat: Unfortunately it is of the older Tarantul II class with the older missiles. But still a great boat for the black Sea.
-The Zaporojie submarine: You can laugh all you want on this old Foxtrot class boat. But it has recently been overhauled (with Ukrainian money). Sure it does not have the modern fancy stuff, but it can dive and can be a good training unit for the crews of the Kilos that are building. It can also serve as minelayer, surveillance etc.
-The Polnocny class Landing craft: Again, a valuable asset for short range operations in the area. Does it really have to be new?

There are also a number of other ships, boats, crafts and tugs that can still do a good job. For most tasks the age is not relevant as long as the boat is in good shape.

arpakola wrote:all pigs .. the same face..

https://www.kyivpost.com/content/politics/poroshenko-leads-presidential-election-poll-338730.html
Ukrainian oligarch aka CIA Operative Petro Poroshenko 'Chocolate King' Ukrainian MP and backer of the Euromaidan protests in Kiev With The Flag Wants to be Ukraine President

Ukraine's seventh richest man, according to Forbes magazine, with an estimated fortune of $1.3bn (£787m), Mr Poroshenko was a supporter of the Maidan protests that ultimately led to the overthrow of Ukraine's president Viktor Yanukovych last month.
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Naftogaz: Ukraine plans from May 1 to increase gas price for public by 50%
http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/naftogaz-ukraine-plans-from-may-1-to-increase-gas-price-for-public-by-50-340998.html

flamming_python wrote:Christian beardies have made a serious comeback in the Crimean crisis.

Only a Quarter of Americans See Russia as an Enemy
he crisis in Ukraine has changed public opinion, but not radically.

Ever since the Russian military occupied Crimea, Mitt Romney has been doing something of a victory lap for his much-ridiculed comment, during the 2012 presidential campaign, that Russia was America's top geopolitical foe. But on Tuesday, during a stop in the Netherlands, President Obama refused to call Romney a prophet. Russia, he said, is a "regional power"—and a weak one at that.

Americans, it seems, fall somewhere in between the Romney and Obama camps. In a survey released on Tuesday, the Pew Research Center found that 43 percent of respondents now consider Russia a "serious problem," up from 36 percent last fall, and 26 percent consider Russia an "adversary," up from 18 percent in the fall.

But the top-level numbers mask another trend: It's mainly Republicans who are growing seriously concerned about Russia. Check out the 18-percentage-point jump among GOP supporters who view Moscow as an adversary. It's also worth noting that older respondents, who lived through the Cold War, are more worried about Russia.

Even so, Republicans remain divided about whether the U.S. should respond aggressively to Russian actions in Ukraine. And among all Americans, there's hardly any appetite for Washington confronting Moscow militarily.

Pew notes that, for the first time since at least 2008, the American public now sees Russia as a greater concern than China; 68 percent view Russia as an "adversary" or a "serious problem," compared with 58 percent who feel the same way about China.

But the fact is, in the post-Cold War, post-9/11 world, Americans have never really agreed en masse that a particular country, as opposed to non-state actors like terrorists, is a clear-cut U.S. enemy. When pollsters insist that Americans pick an archrival, there's little consensus. In a Gallup poll in early February, for instance, Russia (9 percent) didn't even crack the top three "greatest enemies."

This isn't to suggest that Americans are taking Russia's Crimea invasion lightly. A CNN/ORC poll earlier this month found that 29 percent of respondents viewed Russia as a "very serious threat" to the United States—the highest level since 1985. And that was before Moscow annexed the Ukrainian peninsula.

But plotting the results for this question from the early 1980s through today suggests another reality: American public opinion about Russia is still a long way from where it was at the height of the Cold War.

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/03/only-a-quarter-of-americans-see-russia-as-an-enemy/359576/