Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #2

JohninMK wrote:With all the photos etc now appearing it looks like the helicopter guys were getting fed up with the jets getting all the glory. Also. as identified here, they are indeed operating airfield security.

Russia has deployed Mi-24 helicopter gunships to Syria as part of its operation against ISIL targets. Russia has deployed its notorious Mi-24 helicopter gunships to Syria, where they are part of the operation against Islamic State terrorist targets.

According to Colonel Igor Klimov of the Russian Air Force in Hmeymim Air Base in Syria, the Mi-24 helicopters are currently being used for patrolling the area around the airfield and for potential search and rescue missions. The Mi-24 is considered to be one of most deadly and versatile helicopters in the world. "The Mi-24 accelerates up to 300 kilometers per hour and rises to an altitude of up to 4.5 kilometers," Klimov told RIA Novosti. Each Russian Mi-24 helicopter in Syria is also armed with four blocks of 20 unguided air-to ground rockets and a 30-millimeter cannon.

The helicopters are said to currently be patrolling the area of the Hmeymim air base where Russia's air force is stationed, although their use could be expanded.

In addition to the Mi-24 helicopters, Russia has deployed Mi-8AMTSh "Terminator" transport and combat helicopters to Syria.

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/russia/20151006/1028106758/russia-syria-helicopter-deployment.html#ixzz3nnduOSG4

I somehow doubt Mi-24P will be used for search and rescue missions as it is too vulnerable and without night equipment. I would take Mi-28N or Ka-52 for such missions. Mi-24P is good for air base defense and to be later delivered to Syrian air force. It could not operate at night.

At the link there is a screen shot showing the position of US and RuAF Su-34 planes at a point in time. I find interesting the relative numbers of each sides' planes actually overflying Syria and how it is only the Russians that seem to be able to find any targets to hit.

http://theaviationist.com/2015/10/06/us-f-16s-vs-su-34-fullback-over-syria/

KoTeMoRe wrote:
Iran is in Syria since the beggining. They have been pushing back since 2012. The level of commitment was scaled down to get the Nuclear deal done. Now it's back to business. Or so I hope.

Not according to Assad.

Assad on interviews have said several times that since the very start Hezbolah and Syrian
forces have been fighting the terrorist.. but that IRAN policy in Syria have been opposite
to the Syrian one...when it comes to how to solve the Syrian conflict. Irans calls for
"peaceful dialogue" and non fight.. Iran sees the muslins brotherhood , the so called moderates
FSA as moderates.. While Assad see them as terrorist.. and this is the major abyss of difference.
Reason why i think you will never see IRAN bombing all the terrorist and instead they will backup
"dialogue" with the FSA.  and in this sense their Policy is more closer to the American one than
the Syrian one. Although IRAN does not want Assad to be overthrow ,they will not mind him
to leave power.. Reason is because IRAN real power, its religious leaders see Syrian Government true Secular government with full freedom of religion to anyone and full freedom for womens how they dress and role in society as equal to men as wrong.

This is the sad reality of the middle east and Syrian and IRAQ war.. that is a sectarian religious
war and that the war is fueled by Anglozionist powers and gulf allies with weapons ,money and training.

The sad reality in Syria is that about 10% of its population if not even more 15%.. have shown
sympathy for either ISIS or Alqaeda or FSA..and support their extreme violence ,because they see Shias /Alawis and Real Secular free religion government as a major offense to islam.

Is a real contradiction IRAN policy on Syria.. Because is heavily focused on their religious preferences. They have very bad relations with Egypt for openly declaring the muslin brotherhood (which was Morsi the previous president entire government who was overthrow by secular Egyptians) a terrorist Organization. and arresting hundreds of its political party but also executing them. they were moving in the direction of a Islamic caliphate in Egypt where Islam controls all.. and Assad is more reformist and consider that religion should not be mixed with politics. This is why IRAN needs major changes and reforms.. is not a real democratic free nation..

So IRAN does not want Syria to fall ,and for sure will help.. but Assad needs to be very careful
because IRAN have shown interest on him leaving power since the start. and a religious leader
compatible to the iranian religious policies. This is probably the major reason why Russia
tried to avoid joining the conflict in Syria.. is highly sectarian ,highly religious and they cannot
even 100% trust in IRAN since it support the muslin brotherhood ,and the FSA was the military wing of it.. So take a seat... IRAN and Turkey ,Qatar. support muslin brotherhood.. but Saudi Arabia not. So you have a real mess there.. where Egypt support Syria but at the same time side with Saudi Arabia in yemen.. albeit Egypt support for Saudis in yemen are merely economical $$$.. Then you have IRAN support Syria territorial integrity but not with Assad in Power.. since they want Assad to "negotiate" with FSA.. that Russia is bombing..

The Syrian conflict is a real mess and real religious conflict ,for any nation who picks any side.
would it have never started have US and its allies did not gave money and weapons and political support to Rebels? for sure.. but is not less true.. that it was alway religious conflict what keeps the conflict going on endlessly and allows normal syrian citizens to cooperate with Terrorist group.. all in the name of creating an Islamic caliphate in Syria.

Vann7 wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:
Iran is in Syria since the beggining. They have been pushing back since 2012. The level of commitment was scaled down to get the Nuclear deal done. Now it's back to business. Or so I hope.

Not according to Assad.

Assad on interviews have said several times that since the very start Hezbolah and Syrian
forces have been fighting the terrorist.. but that IRAN policy in Syria have been opposite
to the Syrian one...when it comes to how to solve the Syrian conflict. Irans calls for
"peaceful dialogue" and non fight.. Iran sees the muslins brotherhood , the so called moderates
FSA as moderates.. While Assad see them as terrorist.. and this is the major abyss of difference.
Reason why i think you will never see IRAN bombing all the terrorist and instead they will backup
"dialogue" with the FSA.  and in this sense their Policy is more closer to the American one than
the Syrian one. Although IRAN does not want Assad to be overthrow ,they will not mind him
to leave power.. Reason is because IRAN real power, its religious leaders see Syrian Government true Secular government with full freedom of religion to anyone and full freedom for womens how they dress and role in society as equal to men as wrong.

This is the sad reality of the middle east and Syrian and IRAQ war.. that is a sectarian religious
war and that the war is fueled by Anglozionist powers and gulf allies with weapons ,money and training.

The sad reality in Syria is that about 10% of its population if not even more 15%.. have shown
sympathy for either ISIS or Alqaeda or FSA..and support their extreme violence ,because they see Shias /Alawis and Real Secular free religion government as a major offense to islam.

Assad bullshits just slightly less than Baghdad Bob, the Iranians are there since the beginning. As for Iran talking "peace" and "dialogue", you maybe missed IRGC saving Assad in more cases than there are days in the year. All the rest of your rant is bullshit/

Vann7 it will hurt your conspiracy : U.S. Apollo Mission new photos

https://www.facebook.com/SyrianPerspective2/videos/vb.546954078683595/931015323610800/?type=2&theater


Mi-24 Helicopter patrolling Russian air force base in Syria.

green=Nato

max steel wrote:Vann7 it will hurt your conspiracy :   U.S. Apollo Mission new photos

oh god.. not again..  
please dont bring again that crap of moon hoax.. anyone film studio can fabricate photos of people landing in mars or pluto with mickey mouse and putin. Sorry dude
your post is offtopic

Middle East would be more stable if Saddam, Gaddafi still in power: Trump

WASHINGTON

U.S. Republican presidential front-runner Donald Trump said on Sunday the Middle East would be more stable if Muammar Gaddafi and Saddam Hussein were still in power in Libya and Iraq, saying it's "not even a contest".

Trump mentioned the countries in comparison to current efforts to drive Syrian President Bashar al-Assad out of power.

"You can make the case, if you look at Libya, look at what we did there, it's a mess," Trump said on NBC.

"If you look at Saddam Hussein with Iraq, look what we did there, it's a mess. It's going to be the same thing" in Syria, he said.

Asked by NBC's Chuck Todd if the Middle East would be more stable with Gaddafi and Saddam in power, Trump replied, "Of course it would be."
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....It was just a temp brain...gone very soon...

Solncepek wrote:
green=Nato

Please, please please start putting links to the items you get from the Web. Up to now you have put only the text. It is useful to know the source as they are sometimes not neutral.

This is the radar screenshot I mention in my post above and it is not much use without the key, green = NATO, yellow = Russian.

http://theaviationist.com/2015/10/06/us-f-16s-vs-su-34-fullback-over-syria/

KoTeMoRe wrote:
Assad bullshits just slightly less than Baghdad Bob, the Iranians are there since the beginning. As for Iran talking "peace" and "dialogue", you maybe missed IRGC saving Assad in more cases than there are days in the year. All the rest of your rant is bullshit/

Iran supports the muslin brotherhood.. = FACT..
Assad says the muslin brotherhood is a terrorist organization.. = Fact.

Assad says on interviews that IRAN policies in Syria is opposite to his policies
when it comes in the way to solve the conflict. . Syria and hezbolah fight with weapons
and IRan wants Assad to "negotiate" with the "opposition" . completely ignoring the fact that today the only remaining opposition is armed and cooperate with Alqaeda and ISIS. So essentially IRAN wants Assad to step down.. because the "opposition" with rocket grenades on hand, says no negotiation until Assad step down. So where is the "bullshit'?   This is facts..  

Unless you now want to claim Assad is Lying.. then be my guest.. im merely reporting
what he said..and i have no reason to not believe on his words.. when he openly call terrorist
the same factions IRAN support ,fact, and he openly says IRAN wants to solve the conflict
in a totally different way. with "peaceful negotiations" and politics. with the very same opposition he call terrorist and demand him to step down.

Badboy-Russia is an Aggressor again Explained!
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=bb4_1444142520




Who is behind Syrian Observatory for Human Rights? RT finds Western media's key source on Syria
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ac0_1444140541#6s0sVZKqzmcztTee.99



For this I appreciate RT, and mainly the reporter(s) who tracked this fellow. But as usual editing and post processing is poor, miles to go...

PapaDragon wrote:

This news is from french web-source Strategika51 (they first have published info about israeli F-15s, which have been intercepted by russian SU-30s near Lattakia a few days ago, this info turned out to be true)

Now they claim this -
French site Strategika51 publishes news that near the Russian port of Tartus in Syria is the only Chinese submarines armed with nuclear weapons.

Class submarine Jin (Type 094) with 12 ballistic missiles (SLMB) JL-2 on the board, capable of hitting targets at a distance of 8000 kilometers, is located near the port of Tartus, off the coast of Syria.

The French are also surprised at how noisy this submarine was not discovered earlier.

A source told the author of the text, that the Chinese Air Force may participate in air strikes on the positions of the terrorists as soon arrive to the shores of Syria Chinese aircraft carrier (this information seems extremely doubtful, approx.'s).

Recall that now in the Mediterranean Sea are the teachings of the Chinese Navy, of course, in no way associated with the Syrian crisis

Solncepek wrote:This news is from  french web-source Strategika51 (they first have published info about israeli F-15s, which have been intercepted by russian SU-30s near Lattakia a few days ago, this info turned out to be true)

Now they claim this -
French site Strategika51 publishes news that near the Russian port of Tartus in Syria is the only Chinese submarines armed with nuclear weapons.

Class submarine Jin (Type 094) with 12 ballistic missiles (SLMB) JL-2 on the board, capable of hitting targets at a distance of 8000 kilometers, is located near the port of Tartus, off the coast of Syria.

The French are also surprised at how noisy this submarine was not discovered earlier.

A source told the author of the text, that the Chinese Air Force may participate in air strikes on the positions of the terrorists as soon arrive to the shores of Syria Chinese aircraft carrier (this information seems extremely doubtful, approx.'s).

Recall that now in the Mediterranean Sea are the teachings of the Chinese Navy, of course, in no way associated with the Syrian crisis

Good news if true. The more parties join to eradicate ISIS and their proxies the merrier. We're also witnessing a major geopolitcal shift.

It will be awesome to know what happens in those encounters. I can't imagine Russia
allowing NATO to get so close to Russian planes..without any security for their planes..
Is obvious that Russia will need to as fast as possible to get control of IDLIB to deploy and air
defense System there to pin point ,illuminate any NATO plane flying there 24hours at all times . that will push Them farther away of Russia operations and missions .

Solncepek wrote:
Now they claim this -
French site Strategika51 publishes news that near the Russian port of Tartus in Syria is the only Chinese submarines armed with nuclear weapons.

Class submarine Jin (Type 094) with 12 ballistic missiles (SLMB) JL-2 on the board, capable of hitting targets at a distance of 8000 kilometers, is located near the port of Tartus, off the coast of Syria.

Same thing as with that 'Chinese carrier is of Tartus'-bullshit. Simply not true. You don't pass the Suez canal submerged, and if you're doing it on the surface, the whole world would know.

Sure, they could have sailed around the cape (or under the Noth Pole... ) and entered the Mediterranean through the Pillars - but even if Royal Navy ASW skills have become a bit rusty, I really don't see them passing Gibraltar unnoticed.

Or perhaps they dismantled it, send it via rail to the Black Sea, reassembled it and passed through the Dardanelles unnoticed Afterall, such feats were already accomplished 100 years ago! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Type_UB_I_submarine

medo wrote:

JohninMK wrote:With all the photos etc now appearing it looks like the helicopter guys were getting fed up with the jets getting all the glory. Also. as identified here, they are indeed operating airfield security.

Russia has deployed Mi-24 helicopter gunships to Syria as part of its operation against ISIL targets. Russia has deployed its notorious Mi-24 helicopter gunships to Syria, where they are part of the operation against Islamic State terrorist targets.

According to Colonel Igor Klimov of the Russian Air Force in Hmeymim Air Base in Syria, the Mi-24 helicopters are currently being used for patrolling the area around the airfield and for potential search and rescue missions. The Mi-24 is considered to be one of most deadly and versatile helicopters in the world. "The Mi-24 accelerates up to 300 kilometers per hour and rises to an altitude of up to 4.5 kilometers," Klimov told RIA Novosti. Each Russian Mi-24 helicopter in Syria is also armed with four blocks of 20 unguided air-to ground rockets and a 30-millimeter cannon.

The helicopters are said to currently be patrolling the area of the Hmeymim air base where Russia's air force is stationed, although their use could be expanded.

In addition to the Mi-24 helicopters, Russia has deployed Mi-8AMTSh "Terminator" transport and combat helicopters to Syria.

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/russia/20151006/1028106758/russia-syria-helicopter-deployment.html#ixzz3nnduOSG4

I somehow doubt Mi-24P will be used for search and rescue missions as it is too vulnerable and without night equipment. I would take Mi-28N or Ka-52 for such missions. Mi-24P is good for air base defense and to be later delivered to Syrian air force. It could not operate at night.

Most likely Mi-24P upgraded to Mi-24PM which use the same technologies as Mi-24VM..which means it has night attack capability.

Anything else wouldn't make sense as night attack capability is certainly a must should they even remotely want to do night time search and rescue missions or use the hinds during night tme against rebel positions or any one seeking to attack the air field.

Source is below.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/mi-24-variants.htm

Terrorist are hiding near the mosque.

ult wrote:Terrorist are hiding near the mosque.

Video is private.

Perhaps a pleasant update: VKS received 3 new SU-34s today

Shadåw wrote:

medo wrote:

JohninMK wrote:With all the photos etc now appearing it looks like the helicopter guys were getting fed up with the jets getting all the glory. Also. as identified here, they are indeed operating airfield security.

Russia has deployed Mi-24 helicopter gunships to Syria as part of its operation against ISIL targets. Russia has deployed its notorious Mi-24 helicopter gunships to Syria, where they are part of the operation against Islamic State terrorist targets.

According to Colonel Igor Klimov of the Russian Air Force in Hmeymim Air Base in Syria, the Mi-24 helicopters are currently being used for patrolling the area around the airfield and for potential search and rescue missions. The Mi-24 is considered to be one of most deadly and versatile helicopters in the world. "The Mi-24 accelerates up to 300 kilometers per hour and rises to an altitude of up to 4.5 kilometers," Klimov told RIA Novosti. Each Russian Mi-24 helicopter in Syria is also armed with four blocks of 20 unguided air-to ground rockets and a 30-millimeter cannon.

The helicopters are said to currently be patrolling the area of the Hmeymim air base where Russia's air force is stationed, although their use could be expanded.

In addition to the Mi-24 helicopters, Russia has deployed Mi-8AMTSh "Terminator" transport and combat helicopters to Syria.

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/russia/20151006/1028106758/russia-syria-helicopter-deployment.html#ixzz3nnduOSG4

I somehow doubt Mi-24P will be used for search and rescue missions as it is too vulnerable and without night equipment. I would take Mi-28N or Ka-52 for such missions. Mi-24P is good for air base defense and to be later delivered to Syrian air force. It could not operate at night.

Most likely Mi-24P upgraded to Mi-24PM which use the same technologies as Mi-24VM..which means it has night attack capability.

Anything else wouldn't make sense as night attack capability is certainly a must should they even remotely want to do night time search and rescue missions or use the hinds during night tme against rebel positions or any one seeking to attack the air field.

Source is below.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/mi-24-variants.htm

I don't like to see our airframes parked wingtip to wingtip, this ain't Belbek where the only possibility of an attack is a nuke missile. Are you reading, boys?? Spread the planes and equipment out! Never underestimate your enemy.