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    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #5

    Post  Vann7 on Sun Nov 22, 2015 9:53 pm

    Ivan the Colorado wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    kvs wrote:
    ShahryarHedayatiSHBA wrote:There is a limit to propaganda and CNN does not know it  sniper


    The clown on the right is yet another liberast 5th columnist serving her NATO masters well.   Russia is
    so oppressed that specimens like this are allowed to run free and do whatever they want.   In the USA
    she would have been offed by some uber-patriot a long time ago.  

    That screencap can't be real, did CNN seriously air this BS? That would be most epic of fails even by their standards. Does anyone have original clip?
    Thankfully, they didn't. Look at the text. You can see it has been edited.

    Yes thats the way you fabricate Stories.. with Photoshop.. lol   lol1

    There is a real disinformation war against Russia and the last thing we need is forum members
    to start posting more disinformation and later claiming it was real without any real evidence.that
    could confirm their claims.
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    Post  Werewolf on Sun Nov 22, 2015 10:01 pm

    Yes it is clearly fake but that is something ukrop TV is sending every day like dozen destroyed Armatas or russian tank divisions which the brave ukrops have repelled and destroyed while showing footage of own ukrop destroyed tank units.

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    Post  Vann7 on Sun Nov 22, 2015 10:14 pm

    Werewolf wrote:Yes it is clearly fake but that is something ukrop TV is sending every day like dozen destroyed Armatas or russian tank divisions which the brave ukrops have repelled and destroyed while showing footage of own ukrop destroyed tank units.

    And guess why they do that?

    To motivate the Ukrainian army ,to fight Russia. To not fear it..since its airforce can be easily defeated after all, CNN says , jihadist in Syria "shut down" 14 x ka-52.. . Wink


    And the same with cruise missiles , trying to portray them as largely failure will help to
    encourage any army or terrorist into fighting Russia.
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    Post  JohninMK on Sun Nov 22, 2015 10:36 pm

    Vann7 wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:Yes it is clearly fake but that is something ukrop TV is sending every day like dozen destroyed Armatas or russian tank divisions which the brave ukrops have repelled and destroyed while showing footage of own ukrop destroyed tank units.

    And guess why they do that?

    To motivate the Ukrainian army ,to fight Russia. To not fear it..since its airforce can be easily defeated after all, CNN says , jihadist in Syria "shut down" 14 x ka-52.. . Wink


    And the same with cruise missiles , trying to portray them as largely failure will help to
    encourage any army or terrorist into fighting Russia.  
    That might have worked in the days of doubt, but after the 31st September I suspect there are few who will underestimate the Russian military now. Especially those in Syria to whom the sound of bombs and missiles are now worryingly familiar and getting closer.
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    Post  Werewolf on Sun Nov 22, 2015 11:11 pm

    Vann7 wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:Yes it is clearly fake but that is something ukrop TV is sending every day like dozen destroyed Armatas or russian tank divisions which the brave ukrops have repelled and destroyed while showing footage of own ukrop destroyed tank units.

    And guess why they do that?

    To motivate the Ukrainian army ,to fight Russia. To not fear it..since its airforce can be easily defeated after all, CNN says , jihadist in Syria "shut down" 14 x ka-52.. . Wink


    And the same with cruise missiles , trying to portray them as largely failure will help to
    encourage any army or terrorist into fighting Russia.  

    Trying to fool pro-russians, just made someone for a joke about CNN wouldn't be far fetched anyway. Thing is it is obvious a fake not a good one.
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    Post  kvs on Sun Nov 22, 2015 11:12 pm

    Werewolf wrote:Yes it is clearly fake but that is something ukrop TV is sending every day like dozen destroyed Armatas or russian tank divisions which the brave ukrops have repelled and destroyed while showing footage of own ukrop destroyed tank units.

    I can see CNN repeating claims by the clown on the right. I think she was also associated with the "Soldier's Mothers" Trojan NGO and made all sorts of
    wild assed claims about massive deaths of Russians in the Donbas.

    CNN is being "fair and objective".

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    Post  Vann7 on Mon Nov 23, 2015 12:00 am

    ABout IRAN "reverse engineering the last drone picture" , they might be able to get something
    of it but the missile looks more like auto destroyed..  than anything for being nearly complete
    the body. All NATO cruise missiles also have this feature. this is for security in case the missile deviate from its intended fly path ,so that it do not land or explode in the wrong place and kill
    civilians.  

    a side note that people needs to know and many ignore about cruise missiles.
    is that they are pretty much useless without satellite guidance.. that IRAN do not have.
    ,neither Israel have or any other country in the world other than US and Russia. The european Union is working in one ,same China and India, but is far from ready for military use.

    This is if they intent the missile to strike any country with an acceptable precision. So any Iranian generals claims they have 100% precision in their missiles is complete Bullshit. IRAN do not have any capability to hit Israel from IRAN with any precision unless it receive external support from a major power.
    Cruise missiles also need inertial navigation and ground matching computer guidance so they do not collide with terrain and the missile knows when it needs to fly high and when low.. IRAN do not have any technology like that..Iranian made missiles are ballistic and with no satellite precision or any acceptable precision . Will need to develop their own computers ,their own software ,and their own satellite navigation system.. to achieve that. and you cant "reverse engineer" that..  lol1

    this is all the things that IRAN will need to know if they lucky to manage to reverse engineer a Russian modern cruise missile.  So grabbing a piece of metal with burned circuits and wires will be not enough to reproduce it. It will need to learn the hows to is done too. But even if they reproduce 100% the missile , (very unlikely) it will need a satellite navigation system in space that Iranian dont have/ and will never have.. for the sole reason that it do not have the economy and technology  to sustain something like that.. not even china or India have a complete navigation system and depends on Russia Glonass for any precision or GPS,which American can block for them.  And to make things worse any Navigation system that consist of at least 28 satellites around the world with ground stations around the world to calibrate them.

    Any attempt of IRAN to develop and navigation system in space will be neutralized by NATO and
    ISRAEL. they will never allow IRAN the capability to strike over long distance with any precision . Any satellite that IRAN try to deploy to aid its missiles in any way will be simply shot down or fried with lazers by NATO or Israel... So good luck to IRAN trying to become a space power.. it will never happen ever as long Israel and NATO exist. and ironically Russia will now allow this either ,same way that Russia will not allow that in North Korea ,even if they have good relations .. Because allowing a nation that its supreme ruler is worshiped like a God and are religious fanatatics  are not exactly something that will inspire trust in RUssia. So to  steal any technology from Russia. that will be the most foolish thing that IRAN could do.. Because will mean the end of any technical cooperation with IRAN and technology share.if it wasn't by Russia ,IRAN will have been invaded already by NATO and its nuclear reactor bombed.. easily.  To defeat a massive attack on a nuclear reactors you need a powerful airforce than iran don't have.. and a very powerful air defense too .. that neither IRAN have.  It have good Radars provided by Russia. in short Russia largely is what feed IRAN with technology for self defense and it will be in their interest to not break those relations and be left behind in technology.ood relations with So any attempt of Iran to reverse engineering any cruise missile from Russia and keeping g Russia at same time is not compatible.  No   Without Russia help IRAN will have no way to fight NATO.

    Thanks To Russia..
    1)IraN have a modern nuclear reactor they can use to truly learn the art of making them
    and even develop long range submarines and warships that can navigate the entire world without refueling. this is a major advance for iran.
    2)IRAN have avoided being attacked by US and Israel.. because its air defenses and Airforce
    stand no chance against any major attack of them. and neither IRAN have any way to strike back if attacked.. all they can do is bomb Saudi Arabia that is near.  you many times Military
    Installations destroyed in IRAN.. by mysterious forces of nature... you bet it was a cruise missile
    launched by Israel.
    3)Iran could end its isolation with the west. and being upgraded with technology for self defense. But without Russia IRAN will have been like IRAQ today. with many ISIS mercenaries
    inside and NATO flying over IRAN.. to "bomb isis".  Because they could not target IRAN ,since will have Russia in the rear flank from the caspian sea ,defending them ,the picked Syria first.
    that is surrounded by enemies and far from Russia.

    Russia policy needs to be balanced between East and west. otherwise will have Israel providing
    nuclear weapons to Russian border countries.. so Russia primary policy should be to defend its nation and not take decisions that could put at risk  the security of Russia for annoying too much Israel.


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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #5

    Post  max steel on Mon Nov 23, 2015 12:08 am









    The below battle map is the result of successful counter-terrorist ops by the SAA and allies. But such ground realities doesn't reflect in Jihadi supporting media.

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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #5

    Post  sepheronx on Mon Nov 23, 2015 12:12 am

    That picture was posted quite a while ago on this forums (sorry, pic from previous pages).  Yes, it is BS because the woman in question is what KVS said.  All Bullshit but with no evidence, much like Iranian guys claim of the 4 cruise missiles that fell in Iran.  No evidence usually means fabrication.  See how quick we get evidence of 1 crashed cruise missile?  You would figure that there would be hundreds of photos of the 4 crashed and so many Kh-52's, etc etc etc.

    Man, people need to try real hard when dealing with Propaganda.  Same goes for Iran.

    @ Max

    The maps you posted above doesn't seem correct at all to me. Aleppo being one of them. And SAA control of the borders with Turkey.
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    Post  Siempre_Leal on Mon Nov 23, 2015 12:21 am

    Whats up with this website Anti-Putin/Russian? It seems they love to give away Russian troops position of their photos in Syria
    https://informnapalm.org/15432-morpehy-336-brygady-hama

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    Post  Werewolf on Mon Nov 23, 2015 1:07 am

    sepheronx wrote:That picture was posted quite a while ago on this forums (sorry, pic from previous pages).  Yes, it is BS because the woman in question is what KVS said.  All Bullshit but with no evidence, much like Iranian guys claim of the 4 cruise missiles that fell in Iran.  No evidence usually means fabrication.  See how quick we get evidence of 1 crashed cruise missile?  You would figure that there would be hundreds of photos of the 4 crashed and so many Kh-52's, etc etc etc.

    Man, people need to try real hard when dealing with Propaganda.  Same goes for Iran.

    @ Max

    The maps you posted above doesn't seem correct at all to me.  Aleppo being one of them.  And SAA control of the borders with Turkey.

    I think you missunderstood. The picture is shoped, the font is different slightly and much brighter and sharper compared to rest of picture. What that creature in the video actually said i do not know, i have looked on CNN on youtube if i could find that video and after 30 minutes i could not find it so i stopped searching for it. Maybe that stupid jabba the shlut said something in that regard and as a mockery this shoped picture was created who knows. Haven't found the actual video to it is just speculation and anything we speculate is not as insane what that creature along the other fascist and 5th columnists actually say not to mention what they think.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #5

    Post  Werewolf on Mon Nov 23, 2015 1:08 am

    Siempre_Leal wrote:Whats up with this website Anti-Putin/Russian? It seems they love to give away Russian troops position of their photos in Syria
    https://informnapalm.org/15432-morpehy-336-brygady-hama


    Look at the colors above the InformNapalm those colors can be found on windows color code #404.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #5

    Post  kvs on Mon Nov 23, 2015 1:20 am

    max steel wrote:

    This map is propaganda designed to promote the "Russian Syria quagmire" trope. Those red "rebel gain" zones are total BS along with
    the 0.4% estimate. They pulled the red zones out of their anus to offset the gain zones. Note that the yellow government gain zones
    are underestimated as well as there are none around Homs.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #5

    Post  kvs on Mon Nov 23, 2015 1:22 am

    Werewolf wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:That picture was posted quite a while ago on this forums (sorry, pic from previous pages).  Yes, it is BS because the woman in question is what KVS said.  All Bullshit but with no evidence, much like Iranian guys claim of the 4 cruise missiles that fell in Iran.  No evidence usually means fabrication.  See how quick we get evidence of 1 crashed cruise missile?  You would figure that there would be hundreds of photos of the 4 crashed and so many Kh-52's, etc etc etc.

    Man, people need to try real hard when dealing with Propaganda.  Same goes for Iran.

    @ Max

    The maps you posted above doesn't seem correct at all to me.  Aleppo being one of them.  And SAA control of the borders with Turkey.

    I think you missunderstood. The picture is shoped, the font is different slightly and much brighter and sharper compared to rest of picture. What that creature in the video actually said i do not know, i have looked on CNN on youtube if i could find that video and after 30 minutes i could not find it so i stopped searching for it. Maybe that stupid jabba the shlut said something in that regard and as a mockery this shoped picture was created who knows. Haven't found the actual video to it is just speculation and anything we speculate is not as insane what that creature along the other fascist and 5th columnists actually say not to mention what they think.

    I was not clear, my point was that shopped or not the claims made by the 5th columnist are exactly of the totally over the top sort in the
    faked banner. So it may as well be real. CNN is notorious for putting up misinformation and mistake howlers.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #5

    Post  Cyberspec on Mon Nov 23, 2015 1:45 am

    Claims of first larger scale combat op by Russian ground forces in Syria.

    Reportedly an infantry battalion supported by artillery and Su-25's captured an important height between Latakia and Idlib provinces...the author claims more is to follow

    For the first time, Russian infantry attack and control a strategic hill overlooking Sahl al-Ghab in Syria
    https://twitter.com/EjmAlrai/status/668554769028554752


    Article in Arabic
    http://www.alraimedia.com/ar/article/special-reports/2015/11/23/637513/nr/syria
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #5

    Post  kvs on Mon Nov 23, 2015 2:34 am

    Cyberspec wrote:Claims of first larger scale combat op by Russian ground forces in Syria.

    Reportedly an infantry battalion supported by artillery and Su-25's captured an important height between Latakia and Idlib provinces...the author claims more is to follow

    For the first time, Russian infantry attack and control a strategic hill overlooking Sahl al-Ghab in Syria
    https://twitter.com/EjmAlrai/status/668554769028554752


    Article in Arabic
    http://www.alraimedia.com/ar/article/special-reports/2015/11/23/637513/nr/syria

    BS and more BS. Pictures or it did not happen. Why would Russia deploy ground forces when the existing ground forces are doing the
    job. This is yet more of the 0.4% "Russian quagmire" propaganda.

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    Post  ultron on Mon Nov 23, 2015 2:49 am

    Cyberspec wrote:Claims of first larger scale combat op by Russian ground forces in Syria.

    Reportedly an infantry battalion supported by artillery and Su-25's captured an important height between Latakia and Idlib provinces...the author claims more is to follow

    For the first time, Russian infantry attack and control a strategic hill overlooking Sahl al-Ghab in Syria
    https://twitter.com/EjmAlrai/status/668554769028554752


    Article in Arabic
    http://www.alraimedia.com/ar/article/special-reports/2015/11/23/637513/nr/syria

    That was a necessary because SAA has been unwilling to fight near the Turkish border which is hostile territory because Erdogan is a neo Ottoman. Turkey does not dare to shoot Russian soldiers but they do dare to shoot Syrian soldiers and start a war that can lead to WW3 very very very very dangerous.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #5

    Post  BKP on Mon Nov 23, 2015 3:04 am

    ^Eh, maybe, but probably not. That article does not qualify as proof, as you're perhaps aware.

    On a semi-related note, this guy (below) believes that Russian SF will be deployed against ISIS. Intriguing, but also not necessarily true.

    Watch out ISIS - Russia's Special Forces Are Coming for You
    In key meeting with security officials Putin authorises Russia's Special Forces to target Islamic State leaders responsible for downing Russian airliner
    Alexander Mercouris, Wed, Nov 18, 2015

    http://russia-insider.com/en/military/watch-out-isis-russias-special-forces-are-coming-you/ri11237
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #5

    Post  Cyberspec on Mon Nov 23, 2015 5:05 am

    I'm sceptical as well, but the journalist usually has good info from Syria so I wouldn't discount it completely....even if true, I doubt we'll get an official confirmation...we'll see


    BKP wrote:On a semi-related note, this guy (below) believes that Russian SF will be deployed against ISIS. Intriguing, but also not necessarily true.

    Much more likely

    ...

    Another interesting development....Russian IL-76 (RA-76634) under Sy-AF insignia



    Back in September

    Arrow http://russianplanes.net/id172709

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    Post  Vann7 on Mon Nov 23, 2015 8:17 am



    Seph will like this.. Cool

    I know is too early ,too early to say victory for Russia in their alliance with France.
    Like he said France is not completely free and could be (like the mistral) forced to join
    US fake coalition against ISIS.

    But the next article says a LOT and suggest A lot of things of what could be going on.
    Basically claims Russia got a United Nations resolution and security council support
    for the first time in the Syrian war to legalize its fights against All the terrorist..
    so the claim of moderates was ditched at UN.. and most importantly Samantha Power
    the US ambasador at United NAtions was really mad with the Resolution of RUssia that legalize
    their bombing in Syria , So she could not oppose to it.. because France one major US ally supported it. Very Happy

    What is more interesting next is that in the voting section that was humiliating for her
    ,she LEFT and someone else representing US gov have to do the voting. Surprised

    http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/un-security-council-backs-russias-war-against-syrian-jihadis-hilt/ri11364

    So after the France false flag attacks.. Russia finally got legal support for United
    Nations and with the backing of France. Does not means however that US will stop helping
    terrorist.. and its alliance will continue.. But means now Russia have complete international
    support for its operations.. ie. .cannot be sanctioned for bombing ISIS or Alqaeda and cannot
    be demonized either by US Senate or Congress or pentagon because they voted at UN to support Russia actions there against ISIS and all other terror groups. Wink

    This means that US government no longer openly can talk about arming Rebels or training them. and no longer can use the propaganda of Russia bombing moderates.. or doing something Illegal. So effectively all US ,Turkey ,saudi Arabia coalition intentions to block Russia
    from doing its legal bombing in IDLIB and Aleppo and to close Turkey borders will be illegal under UN. This is important because US will not get any Europe support to interfere with Russia bombing in any place it wants. Basically US is Isolated for now with Turkey and Saudis.
    The ultimate proof for me however of France joining Russia will be Hollande going to Syria damascus and shake hands with Assad. Cool
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    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Nov 23, 2015 8:55 am


    "I don't care if Monday's blue, Tuesday's gray and Wednesday too..." music lol1 russia

    Russian Air Forces Complete 141 Sorties, Strike 472 Terrorist Facilities

    Russian Aerospace Forces have carried out 141 sorties over the last 48 hours, striking 472 terrorist targets in Syria, Russian Defense Ministry spokesman Gen.-Maj. Igor Konashenkov said Monday.

    http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20151123/1030566723/russia-syria-141-sorties.html

    “Russian Aerospace Forces planes have completed 141 sorties and delivered 472 strikes against terrorist facilities in the provinces of Aleppo, Damascus, Idlib, Latakia, Hama, Homs, Raqqa, and Deir ez-Zor,” Konashenkov said.

    According to Konashenkov, over the past two days the Russian warplanes have continued to actively engage in reconnaisance and to launch airstrikes at the specific targets of terorist groups operating in Syria.

    After the combat mission all Russian planes have safely returned to the Hmeymim airbase.

    Russia has been launching airstrikes against the IS on Assad’s request since September 30. A US-led international coalition has also been conducting an aerial campaign against the militants, but without approval of Damascus or the United Nations.
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    Post  Cyberspec on Mon Nov 23, 2015 9:20 am

    The Iraqis have closed all civilian traffic from the airports in Erbil and Sulaymaniyah for 48 hrs, apprently due to an iminent cruise missile strike from the Caspian Surprised ...but the information has not been confirmed by Russia

    http://ria.ru/world/20151123/1326659039.html

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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #5

    Post  Cyberspec on Mon Nov 23, 2015 10:34 am

    Cyberspec wrote:

    For the first time, Russian infantry attack and control a strategic hill overlooking Sahl al-Ghab in Syria
    https://twitter.com/EjmAlrai/status/668554769028554752


    Article in Arabic
    http://www.alraimedia.com/ar/article/special-reports/2015/11/23/637513/nr/syria

    The article in English: https://elijahjm.wordpress.com/2015/11/23/russian-infantry-forces-involved-for-the-first-time-in-ground-attack-in-syria/

    Hmmm, the plot thickens....said to be somewhere in Syria (not at the airbase) dunno

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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Mon Nov 23, 2015 11:20 am

    Cyberspec wrote:
    Cyberspec wrote:

    For the first time, Russian infantry attack and control a strategic hill overlooking Sahl al-Ghab in Syria
    https://twitter.com/EjmAlrai/status/668554769028554752


    Article in Arabic
    http://www.alraimedia.com/ar/article/special-reports/2015/11/23/637513/nr/syria

    The article in English: https://elijahjm.wordpress.com/2015/11/23/russian-infantry-forces-involved-for-the-first-time-in-ground-attack-in-syria/

    Hmmm, the plot thickens....said to be somewhere in Syria (not at the airbase)  dunno



    Really sketchy, but if so why does this sound to fer fetched to you guys?
    No guys for real, did we really think that the Takshitis were going to resist a real combined arms op like the ones the Russians pinned on Ukropian forces? This doesn't mean it will always go smothly.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #5

    Post  JohninMK on Mon Nov 23, 2015 11:36 am

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    Cyberspec wrote:
    Cyberspec wrote:

    For the first time, Russian infantry attack and control a strategic hill overlooking Sahl al-Ghab in Syria
    https://twitter.com/EjmAlrai/status/668554769028554752


    Article in Arabic
    http://www.alraimedia.com/ar/article/special-reports/2015/11/23/637513/nr/syria

    The article in English: https://elijahjm.wordpress.com/2015/11/23/russian-infantry-forces-involved-for-the-first-time-in-ground-attack-in-syria/

    Hmmm, the plot thickens....said to be somewhere in Syria (not at the airbase)  dunno



    Really sketchy, but if so why does this sound to fer fetched to you guys?
    No guys for real, did we really think that the Takshitis were going to resist a real combined arms op like the ones the Russians pinned on Ukropian forces? This doesn't mean it will always go smothly.
    Sounds like the Russian MoD should let this rumour run. Put the fear of God into those who might believe that they will be facing the RA after revenge, rather than the worn out SAA.

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