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Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #2
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Everyone here knows the risks of operation, but no one is begging for such incidents to happen so that they can say later on..."see I said so"...your post gives such a feel.auslander wrote:Be prepared, gentlemen and lady, that it's only a matter of time before we lose some machines and boys. You take the King's schilling, sometimes you pay the King's price.
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It looks as if you badly want that to happen?auslander wrote:Zhongqing wrote:auslander wrote:Be prepared, gentlemen and lady, that it's only a matter of time before we lose some machines and boys. You take the King's schilling, sometimes you pay the King's price.
Maybe, maybe not, but who says these are Russian Mi-24s? Syria has 30+ in their inventory. These might be their Mi-24s, or Russian Mi-24s piloted by Syrians. Russia has been training Syrian pilots since the Cold War.
Considering these are supporting the Syrian Army's Hama and Latakia offensives
My comment was not in regards to this particular action per se, it is a statement of reality, sooner or later we will lose some of our boys. I don't like it one bit but it will happen. Even the most inept idiot with an automat or a sling shot can get 'lucky' once.
Would you be saying the same stuff if say the Ukranian nazi's are attacking your neighborhood (which is only a pipedream now, thanks to Russia) and your near and dear ones are in the direct area of action...will you be outright with the belief that someone will be lost?
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Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #2
Project Canada Thu Oct 08, 2015 7:39 pm
Russia will soon suffer 'casualties' after Syria intervention: US defence secretary
Is this a ****ing threat?? How do they know Russia will soon suffer casualties? unless they start arming the Free Syrian Terrorists with more sophisticated weapons and other covert support
Maybe Russia should say the same about USIS suffering casualties soon in Pukraine
Is this a ****ing threat?? How do they know Russia will soon suffer casualties? unless they start arming the Free Syrian Terrorists with more sophisticated weapons and other covert support
Maybe Russia should say the same about USIS suffering casualties soon in Pukraine
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Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #2
PapaDragon Thu Oct 08, 2015 7:44 pm
zg18 wrote:VKS Mi-24 support Syrian military offensive at Kafr Nabudah
sepheronx wrote:If these Mi-24P are not upgraded models then they are also open to being taken down a lot easier too. So Russia should be using Ka-52 or Mi-28 that have all those gadgets.
Neutrality wrote:My question is why don't they engage them from a safe distance by using long range guidance rockets or the HMG like we've seen the Apache pilots do plenty of times in Iraq. Again, I'm not an expert on this but going in for low strafe runs completely exposes you to heavy calibre weapons on the ground. If they continue like this some idiot on the ground will get lucky with his RPG eventually or a .50cal gun.
Regular wrote:..............................
I think they are PM variant. Still they are inferior to Mi-35M. Why Russia doesn't bring it's cutting edge helicopters here, I don't know.
Guys, get real for a minute here!!!
I do hope none of you really thinks that those are Russian helos?
Just because some local pilots happen' to have pair of balls and a functioning brain does not automatically make them Russians. Russian helicopters are all in Latakia guarding the base. They will not be going anywhere. Period!
SAA has been getting loads of fresh gear and those Hinds were probably among them. Pilots in question were probably getting training too from people who actually know how to use those things. For starters, they were told to fly in pairs or larger groups instead of alone like some morons.
Also, what those two guys have been doing in that footage is called "ring of fire" tactics first used in WW2 by IL-2 pilots and later in by Sovs in Afghanistan. Although, you need 4 birds to do it by the book...
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Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #2
Karl Haushofer Thu Oct 08, 2015 7:49 pm
Finnish media says that the CIA has information that the Russian missiles fired from Caspian sea hit Iranian territory instead of Syria. Is this complete bogus or what?
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Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #2
PapaDragon Thu Oct 08, 2015 7:50 pm
Neutrality wrote:Damn it. I wish they tested out a couple of Armatas there or a BMPT at least.
Let me guess: you are one of those guys who play video-games with cheat codes?
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Dima wrote:It looks as if you badly want that to happen?auslander wrote:Zhongqing wrote:auslander wrote:Be prepared, gentlemen and lady, that it's only a matter of time before we lose some machines and boys. You take the King's schilling, sometimes you pay the King's price.
Maybe, maybe not, but who says these are Russian Mi-24s? Syria has 30+ in their inventory. These might be their Mi-24s, or Russian Mi-24s piloted by Syrians. Russia has been training Syrian pilots since the Cold War.
Considering these are supporting the Syrian Army's Hama and Latakia offensives
My comment was not in regards to this particular action per se, it is a statement of reality, sooner or later we will lose some of our boys. I don't like it one bit but it will happen. Even the most inept idiot with an automat or a sling shot can get 'lucky' once.
Would you be saying the same stuff if say the Ukranian nazi's are attacking your neighborhood (which is only a pipedream now, thanks to Russia) and your near and dear ones are in the direct area of action...will you be outright with the belief that someone will be lost?
No, my statement was to calm some of the euphoria of the overwhelming successes our boys have had in the last week. It is a fact of life we will lose some boys in the war, that is the nature of war.
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Karl Haushofer wrote:Finnish media says that the CIA has information that the Russian missiles fired from Caspian sea hit Iranian territory instead of Syria. Is this complete bogus or what?
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Karl Haushofer wrote:Finnish media says that the CIA has information that the Russian missiles fired from Caspian sea hit Iranian territory instead of Syria. Is this complete bogus or what?
Ahahahahahshahahahahahahshahahahahaha. Finnish media strikes again? Yeah, we already have a video of cruise missile leftovers in Syria as well as confirmed location of strikes with pictures of leftover.
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^^ PD, Thanks for the info.
Its awkward to see the helos getting filmed from another sector without its knowledge....what if some other time instead of camera, its RPGs and other projectiles? After all crippling attack often comes from the least expected quarters.
Recce prior to ops doesn't look foolproof...wish I'm completely wrong on that.
In one of those anti-tank videos (though cant verify its origin, from current of earlier ops) one of the tank is getting shot from the rear, not to mention the attack on a unit with anti-tank missiles. Of the 33 casualities earlier mentioned, that strike probably might have caused the single largest?
Its awkward to see the helos getting filmed from another sector without its knowledge....what if some other time instead of camera, its RPGs and other projectiles? After all crippling attack often comes from the least expected quarters.
Recce prior to ops doesn't look foolproof...wish I'm completely wrong on that.
In one of those anti-tank videos (though cant verify its origin, from current of earlier ops) one of the tank is getting shot from the rear, not to mention the attack on a unit with anti-tank missiles. Of the 33 casualities earlier mentioned, that strike probably might have caused the single largest?
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LOL I can`t believe how much butt hurt Americans have over Russian deployment to Syria , now Russians missiles are falling off skies
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Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #2
NationalRus Thu Oct 08, 2015 8:04 pm
Karl Haushofer wrote:Finnish media says that the CIA has information that the Russian missiles fired from Caspian sea hit Iranian territory instead of Syria. Is this complete bogus or what?
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magnumcromagnon Thu Oct 08, 2015 8:13 pm
PapaDragon wrote:Neutrality wrote:Damn it. I wish they tested out a couple of Armatas there or a BMPT at least.
Let me guess: you are one of those guys who play video-games with cheat codes?
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- Post n°665
Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #2
ShahryarHedayatiSHBA Thu Oct 08, 2015 8:18 pm
Karl Haushofer wrote:Finnish media says that the CIA has information that the Russian missiles fired from Caspian sea hit Iranian territory instead of Syria. Is this complete bogus or what?
It seems that a missile has hit the city of Takab . the people there described it as a UAV hurtling towards ground ....
http://alef.ir/vdchvvnxm23nvid.tft2.html?300205
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iraqidabab Thu Oct 08, 2015 8:19 pm
Gulf Arabs 'stepping up' arms supplies to Syrian rebels
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JohninMK wrote:Illustrates that in that countryside they can't really see them until they are overhead.Siempre_Leal wrote:RuAF Mi-24P vs Jihadist in Salma, Latakia
Thats the reason why they fly low..
About the dead pilot.. regardless of gear.. looks like slavic pilot.. Russia have been helping
Syria for far longer time that we were told.. just that earlier it was in a very small number with
volunteers. Russian Airforce now is not volunteers and have a full command center .
IT could be a russian pilot with that was part of the Syrian Airforce since the conflict began.. is also worth to remember 100,000 Russians lived in Syria before the war began.. it could be understood. .the Syrian girls are really hot. Many Russians also living in Israel too..
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Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #2
magnumcromagnon Thu Oct 08, 2015 8:26 pm
ShahryarHedayatiSHBA wrote:Karl Haushofer wrote:Finnish media says that the CIA has information that the Russian missiles fired from Caspian sea hit Iranian territory instead of Syria. Is this complete bogus or what?
It seems that a missile has hit the city of Takab .... Security forces are moving in large numbers to the area....the local people described it as a UAV ....
http://alef.ir/vdchvvnxm23nvid.tft2.html?300205
I'm going to call BS on this until we get some real evidence. The West has been flying drones illegally in to Iranian air space for years now, there's even the famous case of the RQ-170 crash landing in to Iran. The U.S. is operating heavily in the neighboring country of Iraq, and they've been flying drones in Syrian territory without Syrian govt's permission as well.
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Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #2
PapaDragon Thu Oct 08, 2015 8:26 pm
Dima wrote:Everyone here knows the risks of operation, but no one is begging for such incidents to happen so that they can say later on..."see I said so"...your post gives such a feel.auslander wrote:Be prepared, gentlemen and lady, that it's only a matter of time before we lose some machines and boys. You take the King's schilling, sometimes you pay the King's price.
It most certainly does not!!!
He is saying what a lot of us here think, fear and pray it won't happen'.
We all hope that everything will be OK but all it takes is one stupid goose or a duck in the jet engine and you have a crashed aircraft. This is dangerous work by definition.
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ShahryarHedayatiSHBA wrote:Karl Haushofer wrote:Finnish media says that the CIA has information that the Russian missiles fired from Caspian sea hit Iranian territory instead of Syria. Is this complete bogus or what?
It seems that a missile has hit the city of Takab .... Security forces are moving in large numbers to the area....the local people described it as a UAV ....
http://alef.ir/vdchvvnxm23nvid.tft2.html?300205
Who knows what is going on here , perhaps someone lost another asset like RQ-170 over Iran. After all , missile launch from Caspian sea was bit surprising and there is lack of intelligence.
FARS News rejected US claim.
magnumcromagnon wrote:I'm going to call BS on this until we get some real evidence. The West has been flying drones illegally in to Iranian air space for years now, there's even the famous case of the RQ-170 crash landing in to Iran. The U.S. is operating heavily in the neighboring country of Iraq, and they've been flying drones in Syrian territory without Syrian govt's permission as well.
My hunch as well , Americans were certainly caught off guard and doing everything right now to scramble for intelligence & info.
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Karl Haushofer wrote:Finnish media says that the CIA has information that the Russian missiles fired from Caspian sea hit Iranian territory instead of Syria. Is this complete bogus or what?
Link? What is the source? Finnish media always just copy-pastes articles from Anglo-American media (yeah, that shouldn't surprise anyone). Any similar stories on 'Murican MSM atm?
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Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #2
ShahryarHedayatiSHBA Thu Oct 08, 2015 8:33 pm
According to US military, at least 4 cruise missiles that was fired by Russian ships in the Caspian sea crashed in as they were flying over Iran.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/08/politics/russian-missiles-syria-landed-iran/
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Russian Missiles Aimed At Syria Reportedly Hit Iran
Russian missiles aimed at Syria reportedly landed in Iran on Thursday.
The mistaken bombing, launched from a Russian warship in the Caspian Sea, was firstreported by CNN, which received the information from two unnamed U.S. officials.
The report is consistent with Iranian media accounts of an explosion in northwestern Iran. The Islamic Republic Press Agency, an official Iranian government press outlet, reported on Thursday that the governor of Takab said an "unidentified flying object" near the town crashed and then exploded. The article contained a photo of a drone, however, and did not provide details about the origins of the crash and explosion.
Iranian journalists have subsequently tweeted these government reports.
A Pentagon spokesperson declined to comment on the incident.
The Iranian and Russian governments did not immediately respond to request for comment.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/russian-missiles-syria-iran_5616a672e4b0e66ad4c6d54e
http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/08/politics/russian-missiles-syria-landed-iran/
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Russian Missiles Aimed At Syria Reportedly Hit Iran
Russian missiles aimed at Syria reportedly landed in Iran on Thursday.
The mistaken bombing, launched from a Russian warship in the Caspian Sea, was firstreported by CNN, which received the information from two unnamed U.S. officials.
The report is consistent with Iranian media accounts of an explosion in northwestern Iran. The Islamic Republic Press Agency, an official Iranian government press outlet, reported on Thursday that the governor of Takab said an "unidentified flying object" near the town crashed and then exploded. The article contained a photo of a drone, however, and did not provide details about the origins of the crash and explosion.
Iranian journalists have subsequently tweeted these government reports.
A Pentagon spokesperson declined to comment on the incident.
The Iranian and Russian governments did not immediately respond to request for comment.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/russian-missiles-syria-iran_5616a672e4b0e66ad4c6d54e
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I am with Auslander on this subject. The two of us are much the same age so a lot older than most on here. I understand how he meant it. The chances of every Russian returning home unhurt must be statistically pretty low, after all, if this were occurring inside Russia as an exercise there would probably be accidents even deaths, that is one of the risks of being a soldier.auslander wrote:Dima wrote:It looks as if you badly want that to happen?auslander wrote:Zhongqing wrote:auslander wrote:Be prepared, gentlemen and lady, that it's only a matter of time before we lose some machines and boys. You take the King's schilling, sometimes you pay the King's price.
Maybe, maybe not, but who says these are Russian Mi-24s? Syria has 30+ in their inventory. These might be their Mi-24s, or Russian Mi-24s piloted by Syrians. Russia has been training Syrian pilots since the Cold War.
Considering these are supporting the Syrian Army's Hama and Latakia offensives
My comment was not in regards to this particular action per se, it is a statement of reality, sooner or later we will lose some of our boys. I don't like it one bit but it will happen. Even the most inept idiot with an automat or a sling shot can get 'lucky' once.
Would you be saying the same stuff if say the Ukranian nazi's are attacking your neighborhood (which is only a pipedream now, thanks to Russia) and your near and dear ones are in the direct area of action...will you be outright with the belief that someone will be lost?
No, my statement was to calm some of the euphoria of the overwhelming successes our boys have had in the last week. It is a fact of life we will lose some boys in the war, that is the nature of war.
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Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #2
PapaDragon Thu Oct 08, 2015 8:35 pm
zg18 wrote:LOL I can`t believe how much butt hurt Americans have over Russian deployment to Syria , now Russians missiles are falling off skies
Someone is projecting their insecurities.
CIA seems to have forgot that time back in '99 when Tomahawk nearly blew a hole in the middle of Sofia, Bulgaria...only 600 km off target...
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ShahryarHedayatiSHBA wrote:According to US military, at least 4 cruise missiles that was fired by Russian ships in the Caspian sea crashed in as they were flying over Iran.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/08/politics/russian-missiles-syria-landed-iran/
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