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    Vann7

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    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #8

    Post  Vann7 on Sat Feb 20, 2016 5:53 am

    This is exactly the kind of diplomacy Russia needs..  not the bullshit cease of fires.

    it was told by a senior Russian diplomat to a news paper ,and hopefully it was directly
    a message that came from the kremlin . to US and Turkey.



    The Russian president will not hesitate to launch a war against Turkey, or even the US, in case Ankara and Riyadh send their infantry troops to Syria, a Russian senior diplomat told Raialyoum newspaper. I do Know President Putin; he will not let Syria duplicate the Afghani sample, he added. His remarks were published in the context of an article which stressed that the hot positions of confrontation in the Syrian field are the eastern province of Raqqa and Aazaz which lies in Aleppo northern countryside. The article noted that the Syrian troops which are heading towards Raqqa aim at anticipating any Saudi-Turkish intervention, which will lead to a direct confrontation, and that the Russia will certainly support the Syrian army in such a case. The escalating conflict in Syria may destroy empires and kingdoms and may claim the souls of millions of people, according to the article which pointed out the Russian military will resort to non-traditional weaponry if its bases in Syria get bombarded. Finally, the article mentioned that “Israel” will boldly side with the Saudi-Turkish alliance as the handshake between the Zionist security minister Moshe Yaalon and the former Saudi intelligence chief in Munich few days ago revealed.

    https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/29249/


    People needs to remember the Korean war.. that NATO invaded North Korea..after they invaded the south first ,and it was only Force and military defeat in North korea what drove away Americans from North Korea and not any bullshit of cease of fire. The war ended ONly when
    American side saw no chance to win if continues with the war. and that public opinion was really bad against them.

    Russia needs to threaten US Pentagon via back channels ,that they will take the fight to USA,
    if Turkey start a major war against Russia. For the reasons that US support turkey agression to Syria and Russia. and provide them with weapons. that they are risking a world war ,if did not stop their aid to terrorism ,and their support to Turkey and they start a war against Russia.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #8

    Post  zg18 on Sat Feb 20, 2016 8:49 am

    Tu-214R , Hmeym base


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    SAM threat to Russian Fighter and Helicopters in Syria.

    Post  zenmonk on Sat Feb 20, 2016 8:53 am

    Saudi Arabia seems to be so desperate to topple Syrian President Assad that it is prepared to supply surface-to-air missiles to Islamist Syrian militants to achieve the purpose; however, Russian aircraft will be the actual target. How the Russian Air force going to clear this threat?

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    SAM threat and Afgan lessons

    Post  zenmonk on Sat Feb 20, 2016 8:59 am

    Surface-to-air missiles in Syria is going to change the balance of power on the ground. It will allow the moderate opposition to be able to neutralize the helicopters and aircraft that are dropping chemicals and have been carpet-bombing them, just like surface-to-air missiles in Afghanistan were able to change the balance of power there. How the Russians see it and what are the counter tactics the Russians likely to adopt to neutralise it? Hope i may have good response from you. Thanks, Zen.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #8

    Post  George1 on Sat Feb 20, 2016 9:04 am

    zenmonk wrote:Surface-to-air missiles in Syria is going to change the balance of power on the ground. It will allow the moderate opposition to be able to neutralize the helicopters and aircraft that are dropping chemicals and have been carpet-bombing them, just like surface-to-air missiles in Afghanistan were able to change the balance of power there. How the Russians  see it and what are the counter tactics the Russians likely to adopt to neutralise it?  Hope i may have good response from you. Thanks, Zen.

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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #8

    Post  ultron on Sat Feb 20, 2016 9:18 am

    zenmonk wrote:Saudi Arabia seems to be so desperate to topple Syrian President Assad that it is prepared to supply surface-to-air missiles to Islamist Syrian militants to achieve the purpose; however, Russian aircraft will be the actual target. How the Russian Air force going to clear this threat?

    IR guided MANPADS don't work.

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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #8

    Post  Werewolf on Sat Feb 20, 2016 9:19 am

    I see bigger influx of trolls participating in masturbation amongst themselfs.

    No wonder i and others post less and less.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #8

    Post  kvs on Sat Feb 20, 2016 10:06 am

    Werewolf wrote:I see bigger influx of trolls participating in masturbation amongst themselfs.

    No wonder i and others post less and less.

    Indeed. This "Stinger" BS has been trotted out before to "prove" how Russia will fail.

    If the Saudis were to provide the "rebels" (aka head-chopping, goat-f*cking, Wahabbi freaks)
    with more serious SA systems, then Russian air assets in Syria could easily take them out. The Saudis have
    nothing like the S-400.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #8

    Post  Militarov on Sat Feb 20, 2016 10:26 am

    kvs wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:I see bigger influx of trolls participating in masturbation amongst themselfs.

    No wonder i and others post less and less.

    Indeed.  This "Stinger" BS has been trotted out before to "prove" how Russia will fail.  

    If the Saudis were to provide the "rebels" (aka head-chopping, goat-f*cking, Wahabbi freaks)
    with more serious SA systems, then Russian air assets in Syria could easily take them out.   The Saudis have
    nothing like the S-400.

    Even if they had what would FSA do with it? Drive it though half of Middle East on trailer and place it in middle of nowhere with no radar coverage and lower lvl air defences, recon radars...? At best they can send them MANPADs which will affect probably operations in slightly but not like they will affect whole operation in some significant manner. FSA already has MANPADs anyways, not in quantities but still they have them, and they havent managed much with them till now.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #8

    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Feb 20, 2016 10:28 am

    zenmonk wrote:Saudi Arabia seems to be so desperate to topple Syrian President Assad that it is prepared to supply surface-to-air missiles to Islamist Syrian militants to achieve the purpose; however, Russian aircraft will be the actual target. How the Russian Air force going to clear this threat?

    Threat is already cleared by the simple fact that this is Russian Air Force (Aerospace Force to be more accurate)

    Saudis said that they think that ''moderates'' should get MANPADS not that they will, big difference between ''should'' and ''will''

    If goathumpers try anything funny they will have Yemenis crawling all over Riyadh and that is just the start. It would only get worse from there.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #8

    Post  auslander on Sat Feb 20, 2016 10:42 am

    My 'ignore' button is getting a workout lately. There's only a couple of them but they've got multiple accounts. They're also easy to spot, as in sore thumb.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #8

    Post  Militarov on Sat Feb 20, 2016 10:50 am

    auslander wrote:My 'ignore' button is getting a workout lately. There's only a couple of them but they've got multiple accounts. They're also easy to spot, as in sore thumb.

    I remember when i was part of staff on one Serbian military forum, ppl with same IP adress would get banned and allowed to use 1 account. I actually have 2 accounts here too, but one was never used, i forgot i made account back in 2012. and never posted with it. But oh well.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #8

    Post  franco on Sat Feb 20, 2016 10:53 am

    Article on ISIS and Turkish links;

    http://www.voltairenet.org/en
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #8

    Post  JohninMK on Sat Feb 20, 2016 10:54 am

    Militarov wrote:
    auslander wrote:My 'ignore' button is getting a workout lately. There's only a couple of them but they've got multiple accounts. They're also easy to spot, as in sore thumb.

    I remember when i was part of staff on one Serbian military forum, ppl with same IP adress would get banned and allowed to use 1 account. I actually have 2 accounts here too, but one was never used, i forgot i made account back in 2012. and never posted with it. But oh well.
    Whatever we may think about the other place they do have a pretty harsh anti troll and post zapping policy.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #8

    Post  franco on Sat Feb 20, 2016 11:00 am

    General Wesley Clark talks about how the US planned to take over the Middle East... well worth the 8 minutes of time to watch.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7NsXFnzJGw&feature=youtu.be
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #8

    Post  JohninMK on Sat Feb 20, 2016 11:00 am

    Arming an enemy with proper SAMs can be a two edged sword that can come back to bite.

    I have little doubt that the Russians have quietly mentioned both to the Saudis the effect of giving the flip-flops the same facilities as well as to the US about, how shall we say it, accidental use on the wrong target.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #8

    Post  George1 on Sat Feb 20, 2016 11:19 am

    RuAF Tu-214R in sky of Syria



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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #8

    Post  kvs on Sat Feb 20, 2016 11:20 am

    JohninMK wrote:Arming an enemy with proper SAMs can be a two edged sword that can come back to bite.

    I have little doubt that the Russians have quietly mentioned both to the Saudis the effect of giving the flip-flops the same facilities as well as to the US about, how shall we say it, accidental use on the wrong target.

    No problem, any civilian airliner that gets shot down will be blamed on Putin. There will be an orgy of hate propaganda
    in the NATO mass media. The NATO MSM could not ask for a better gift.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #8

    Post  franco on Sat Feb 20, 2016 11:38 am

    My RT OpEdge colleague Bryan Macdonald has coined the phrase ‘Russophrenia’ to describe the condition “where the sufferer believes Russia is both about to collapse, and take over the world.” Like the flu, Russophrenia is an illness which can strike anyone, but it is particularly prevalent among the West’s political and media elite.

    The madness affecting the West has now been identified, a cure however is not close I'm afraid. The whole article;

    https://www.rt.com/op-edge/333086-russian-military-weak-us/
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #8

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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #8

    Post  Vann7 on Sat Feb 20, 2016 11:58 am

    The real danger of Saudis supplying more advanced land to air missiles to Terrorist
    is not the missiles themselves.. but that NATO could use its AWACS or their radars in Turkey to guide the missiles toward Russian planes.  means terrorist dont need any radar to track the plane. the whole job can be done from Turkey territory or from Awacs planes ,and only fired from Syria. SO it cannot be underestimated the danger.  The missiles could be advanced ones ,custom ones designed by NATO with long range that can reach altitudes manpad cant.

    Russia counter electronics on their combat planes can counter missiles.. but their bombers
    like the one shutdown do not have native counter electronics.

    there was unconfirmed claims in pro Syrian social media that the US coalition provided ISIS with trucks armed with sidewinders.  So it will be the same missiles an F-16s /F-22 use.. just launched from a truck. that could be dangerous.. and hopefully Russia have a plan. Needs to warn americans that if they find evidence one of their planes was shot down by a half a million dollar missile that only them can have or any of its allies that they control  ,that it will be their end . and they will retaliate their planes.

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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #8

    Post  ultron on Sat Feb 20, 2016 12:16 pm

    Vann7 wrote:The real danger of Saudis supplying more advanced land to air missiles to Terrorist
    is not the missiles themselves.. but that NATO could use its AWACS or their radars in Turkey to guide the missiles toward Russian planes.  means terrorist dont need any radar to track the plane. the whole job can be done from Turkey territory or from Awacs planes ,and only fired from Syria. SO it cannot be underestimated the danger.  The missiles could be advanced ones ,custom ones designed by NATO with long range that can reach altitudes manpad cant.

    Russia counter electronics on their combat planes can counter missiles.. but their bombers
    like the one shutdown do not have native counter electronics.

    there was unconfirmed claims in pro Syrian social media  that the US coalition provided ISIS with trucks armed with sidewinders.  So it will be the same missiles an F-16s /F-22 use.. just launched from a truck. that could be dangerous.. and hopefully Russia have a plan. Needs to warn americans that if they find evidence one of their planes was shot down by a half a million dollar missile that only them can have or any of its allies that they control  ,that it will be their end . and they will retaliate their planes.

    If they supply surface to air missiles then they'll get a taste of Smerch. cheers
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #8

    Post  Isos on Sat Feb 20, 2016 12:25 pm

    Vann7 wrote:The real danger of Saudis supplying more advanced land to air missiles to Terrorist
    is not the missiles themselves.. but that NATO could use its AWACS or their radars in Turkey to guide the missiles toward Russian planes.  means terrorist dont need any radar to track the plane. the whole job can be done from Turkey territory or from Awacs planes ,and only fired from Syria. SO it cannot be underestimated the danger.  The missiles could be advanced ones ,custom ones designed by NATO with long range that can reach altitudes manpad cant.

    Russia counter electronics on their combat planes can counter missiles.. but their bombers
    like the one shutdown do not have native counter electronics.

    there was unconfirmed claims in pro Syrian social media  that the US coalition provided ISIS with trucks armed with sidewinders.  So it will be the same missiles an F-16s /F-22 use.. just launched from a truck. that could be dangerous.. and hopefully Russia have a plan. Needs to warn americans that if they find evidence one of their planes was shot down by a half a million dollar missile that only them can have or any of its allies that they control  ,that it will be their end . and they will retaliate their planes.

    Well, they will just need to send special force to take some missiles. And USA will never give anything again ... As Sidwinder is widely used in US forces, they will loose a lot of secrets. It's like the story of the mig 25 given by soviet defector. They can achieve to take down one aircraft maxium before SU-34 destroy all armed trucks.
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #8

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Sat Feb 20, 2016 2:12 pm

    How is AWACS going to guide IR/laser RBS-types to planes above their service ceiling ? Ffs throw this dude out of the club now?
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    Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #8

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Sat Feb 20, 2016 2:25 pm

    zenmonk wrote:Surface-to-air missiles in Syria is going to change the balance of power on the ground. It will allow the moderate opposition to be able to neutralize the helicopters and aircraft that are dropping chemicals and have been carpet-bombing them, just like surface-to-air missiles in Afghanistan were able to change the balance of power there. How the Russians  see it and what are the counter tactics the Russians likely to adopt to neutralise it?  Hope i may have good response from you. Thanks, Zen.

    Like they didn't change the balance in Afghanistan, they will not change it in Syria. The "Stingers" in Afghanistan downed about 70 aircraft à year and the Mujahidins couldn't hold any urban node. Even in Panshir. Here the deal is even better most of the areas to target with manpads are either already isolated or difficult to supply by border. ironically the only areas that could be used as stage for an AA ambush are being treated by High Ceiling craft not by CAS. For CAS AAA is almost more dangerous than Manpads. So basically the train to arm the Moderats has left à month ago.

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