Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #2

Neutrality wrote:

Video is private.

Perhaps a pleasant update: VKS received 3 new SU-34s today

Damn, there were 500 views already. From the official mod channel. In short UAV followed two trucks with apcs on the trailers and one car as they moved from the woods to the mosque.

ult wrote:

Neutrality wrote:

Video is private.

Perhaps a pleasant update: VKS received 3 new SU-34s today

Damn, there were 500 views already. From the official mod channel. In short UAV followed two trucks with apcs on the trailers and one car as they moved from the woods to the mosque.

Interesting, thank you. So anyone wants to guess what kind of tactic the VKS will use against them as soon they move most of their assets into civilian areas? The Russians will probably be less tempted to strike near the civilian population in order to avoid a media shitstorm. I'm betting this is when the Syrian/Iranian offensive is going to happen. They will retake all the territory that's been cleared from ISIS assets, cut them off and surround them in the cities.

EDIT: Video is back up btw.

ult wrote:

Neutrality wrote:

Video is private.

Perhaps a pleasant update: VKS received 3 new SU-34s today

Damn, there were 500 views already. From the official mod channel. In short UAV followed two trucks with apcs on the trailers and one car as they moved from the woods to the mosque.

Typical tactic of terrorists, they've been doing it for decades in various countries. Then when the area is attacked, they will whine about it as a mosque being bombed.

Chinese presence would be a very welcome move and a completely positive one. Hope the Chinese enter the theater as soon as possible with their Su-30, J-10, A-50, couple of Type-054A and as much needed the Type-071. Large military transports are being badly missed and I would like the Chinese to put those three 071 in the Mediterranean and help Russia bring supplies.

Need of the hour, in addition to air-strike in support of Syrian military, is to strengthen the Russian arsenal and fortify Syria from any sort of external intervention from any number of quarters.

Arrival of Pr.1164 is a good news and if what I feel (and always wanted to see and prayed) is correct, the AD bubble provided by S-300 on 1164 would be the toehold to expand/complete the AD network with land based S-300/400 and Buk-M2 in a peaceful environment. The lack of powerful and complete AD systems saw the Isreali's earlier strike Syria's land based anti-ship complexes. In parallel to the AD systems, there is the need to have a potent anti-ship complexes on the coast, which will to an extent (or maybe even almost) fill in for the lack of Russian naval combatants.

T-44 wrote:

Solncepek wrote:
Now they claim this -
French site Strategika51 publishes news that near the Russian port of Tartus in Syria is the only Chinese submarines armed with nuclear weapons.

Class submarine Jin (Type 094) with 12 ballistic missiles (SLMB) JL-2 on the board, capable of hitting targets at a distance of 8000 kilometers, is located near the port of Tartus, off the coast of Syria.

Same thing as with that 'Chinese carrier is of Tartus'-bullshit. Simply not true. You don't pass the Suez canal submerged, and if you're doing it on the surface, the whole world would know.

Sure, they could have sailed around the cape (or under the Noth Pole... ) and entered the Mediterranean through the Pillars - but even if Royal Navy ASW skills have become a bit rusty, I really don't see them passing Gibraltar unnoticed.

Or perhaps they dismantled it, send it via rail to the Black Sea, reassembled it and passed through the Dardanelles unnoticed Afterall, such feats were already accomplished 100 years ago! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Type_UB_I_submarine

Agreed, total BS. It just wouldn't make any sense to move SSBNs to Syria. (And even though type 094s might not the quietest submarines ever built, they certainly shouldn't be terribly noisy either, I mean those subs are reasonably new after all.)

Solncepek wrote:This news is from  french web-source Strategika51 (they first have published info about israeli F-15s, which have been intercepted by russian SU-30s near Lattakia a few days ago, this info turned out to be true)

Now they claim this -
French site Strategika51 publishes news that near the Russian port of Tartus in Syria is the only Chinese submarines armed with nuclear weapons.

Class submarine Jin (Type 094) with 12 ballistic missiles (SLMB) JL-2 on the board, capable of hitting targets at a distance of 8000 kilometers, is located near the port of Tartus, off the coast of Syria.

The French are also surprised at how noisy this submarine was not discovered earlier.

A source told the author of the text, that the Chinese Air Force may participate in air strikes on the positions of the terrorists as soon arrive to the shores of Syria Chinese aircraft carrier (this information seems extremely doubtful, approx.'s).

Recall that now in the Mediterranean Sea are the teachings of the Chinese Navy, of course, in no way associated with the Syrian crisis

Not sure who has verified the F-15 intercept so that it can be described as true. As they got the number of Su-30s higher than those known to be in Latakia, a pretty basic error, I don't see why it is believable.

As to a ballistic missile submarine of any nation, let alone China, in the Mediterranean, pull the other leg. Those are the creatures of the wide open oceans, preferably deep. Just think about it for a moment, wouldn't a cruise missile submarine make more sense and you can bet that there are at least a couple in the area.

Dima wrote:Chinese presence would be a very welcome move and a completely positive one. Hope the Chinese enter the theater as soon as possible with their Su-30, J-10, A-50, couple of Type-054A and as much needed the Type-071. Large military transports are being badly missed and I would like the Chinese to put those three 071 in the Mediterranean and help Russia bring supplies.

Need of the hour, in addition to air-strike in support of Syrian military, is to strengthen the Russian arsenal and fortify Syria from any sort of external intervention from any number of quarters.

Arrival of Pr.1164 is a good news and if what I feel (and always wanted to see and prayed) is correct, the AD bubble provided by S-300 on 1164 would be the toehold to expand/complete the AD network with land based S-300/400 and Buk-M2 in a peaceful environment. The lack of powerful and complete AD systems saw the Isreali's earlier strike Syria's land based anti-ship complexes. In parallel to the AD systems, there is the need to have a potent anti-ship complexes on the coast, which will to an extent (or maybe even almost) fill in for the lack of Russian naval combatants.

The best Chinese combination there would be a squadron of J-10 fighters and a squadron of JH-7A fighter-bombers.
They could as well send some heavy armed UAVs for constant monitoring and bombing.

Neutrality wrote:

ult wrote:

Neutrality wrote:

Video is private.

Perhaps a pleasant update: VKS received 3 new SU-34s today

Damn, there were 500 views already. From the official mod channel. In short UAV followed two trucks with apcs on the trailers and one car as they moved from the woods to the mosque.

Interesting, thank you. So anyone wants to guess what kind of tactic the VKS will use against them as soon they move most of their assets into civilian areas? The Russians will probably be less tempted to strike near the civilian population in order to avoid a media shitstorm. I'm betting this is when the Syrian/Iranian offensive is going to happen. They will retake all the territory that's been cleared from ISIS assets, cut them off and surround them in the cities.

EDIT: Video is back up btw.

One suspects that this is exactly what the Russians/Syrians/Iranians/Hesbollah are expecting to happen. The strategy will be for the RuAF to take out the command and control, ammunition and fuel dumps, heavy vehicles and logistic supply of all types.

This will turn the 'activists' into small independent groups with no central control, reducing supplies of ammunition/food and no pay. The concept of an ISIS 'army' of 10's of thousands will be gone as is picking off tanks with almost unlimited supplies of ATGM. There will be groups probably no bigger than 100-500 with no clear direction. On top of that any merc or western advisor will probably be long gone, either buried now in a bunker or on a plane out of Amman.

Given all this sudden and effective air activity creating a degree of panic, the Syrians will be trying to get all their nationals to surrender under the amnesty scheme whilst all the rest will meet a timely end, if they too don't make it out to Turkey or Jordan. If they escape to Iraq then a similar fate could meet them there.

What they need is a few more false stories from US/NATO that the Russian Army is coming. Better still the Chinese as well. Scare the sh*t out of them.

Dima wrote:Chinese presence would be a very welcome move and a completely positive one. Hope the Chinese enter the theater as soon as possible with their Su-30, J-10, A-50, couple of Type-054A and as much needed the Type-071. Large military transports are being badly missed and I would like the Chinese to put those three 071 in the Mediterranean and help Russia bring supplies.

Need of the hour, in addition to air-strike in support of Syrian military, is to strengthen the Russian arsenal and fortify Syria from any sort of external intervention from any number of quarters.

Arrival of Pr.1164 is a good news and if what I feel (and always wanted to see and prayed) is correct, the AD bubble provided by S-300 on 1164 would be the toehold to expand/complete the AD network with land based S-300/400 and Buk-M2 in a peaceful environment. The lack of powerful and complete AD systems saw the Isreali's earlier strike Syria's land based anti-ship complexes. In parallel to the AD systems, there is the need to have a potent anti-ship complexes on the coast, which will to an extent (or maybe even almost) fill in for the lack of Russian naval combatants.

Any chance of some mig 31BM flying over the skies of siria ?
I believe that four or more of these fighters would expand greatly the "bubble" of protection around the latakia .

medo wrote:

Dima wrote:Chinese presence would be a very welcome move and a completely positive one. Hope the Chinese enter the theater as soon as possible with their Su-30, J-10, A-50, couple of Type-054A and as much needed the Type-071. Large military transports are being badly missed and I would like the Chinese to put those three 071 in the Mediterranean and help Russia bring supplies.

Need of the hour, in addition to air-strike in support of Syrian military, is to strengthen the Russian arsenal and fortify Syria from any sort of external intervention from any number of quarters.

Arrival of Pr.1164 is a good news and if what I feel (and always wanted to see and prayed) is correct, the AD bubble provided by S-300 on 1164 would be the toehold to expand/complete the AD network with land based S-300/400 and Buk-M2 in a peaceful environment. The lack of powerful and complete AD systems saw the Isreali's earlier strike Syria's land based anti-ship complexes. In parallel to the AD systems, there is the need to have a potent anti-ship complexes on the coast, which will to an extent (or maybe even almost) fill in for the lack of Russian naval combatants.

The best Chinese combination there would be a squadron of J-10 fighters and a squadron of JH-7A fighter-bombers.
They could as well send some heavy armed UAVs for constant monitoring and bombing.

Come on guys this is cloud cuckoo land. History shows that the Chinese are even more reluctant to start or join fights outside their borders than the Russians. Whilst it is probable that there are Chinese Intel people in Syria monitoring what the Chinese 'activists' are doing on their Syrian holiday and giving help as needed to the SAA that is probably about it. Can you see Chinese fighter formations under Russian control?

Besides which, Russia probably doesn't need any help, it has plenty more 'gear' at home it can use if needed. It is running a careful balance, enough to do the job but not so much that it forces US/NATO to react.

ATP_77 wrote:

Dima wrote:Chinese presence would be a very welcome move and a completely positive one. Hope the Chinese enter the theater as soon as possible with their Su-30, J-10, A-50, couple of Type-054A and as much needed the Type-071. Large military transports are being badly missed and I would like the Chinese to put those three 071 in the Mediterranean and help Russia bring supplies.

Need of the hour, in addition to air-strike in support of Syrian military, is to strengthen the Russian arsenal and fortify Syria from any sort of external intervention from any number of quarters.

Arrival of Pr.1164 is a good news and if what I feel (and always wanted to see and prayed) is correct, the AD bubble provided by S-300 on 1164 would be the toehold to expand/complete the AD network with land based S-300/400 and Buk-M2 in a peaceful environment. The lack of powerful and complete AD systems saw the Isreali's earlier strike Syria's land based anti-ship complexes. In parallel to the AD systems, there is the need to have a potent anti-ship complexes on the coast, which will to an extent (or maybe even almost) fill in for the lack of Russian naval combatants.

Any chance of some mig 31BM flying over the skies of siria ?
I believe that four or more of these fighters would expand greatly the "bubble" of protection around the latakia .

The only scenario for that is if Syria declares that it is a no-fly zone and that it is contested by US/NATO. Whilst the former may be fairly likely I think that the latter is not as it would probably be enforced by SAM systems, not fighters. The last thing Russia wants is a Russian plane downing one from US/NATO, so they will reduce that chance to a minimum. If it were to happen much better it is a SAM which, even if it was a brand new Buk or S300 etc, would have a token Syrian officer proudly pushing the button, so no WW3.

Sending MiG-31s would be giving the wrong message and be a hostage to fortune.

Don't forget that what we are seeing here is in part a Russian sales demonstration, showing the world that the US/EU are not the only source of hi-tech weaponry, as well as showing that they are not to be messed with.

RBK500 SPBE-D in Aleppo. Take note tho that these are somewhat redesigned compared to ones i remember reading about decade or so ago.

SPBE-Ds in Aleppo apparently on video too.

I don't know where some of this foolishness is coming from but it sounds like some 15 year old's game playing fantasy. There is no Chinese aircraft carrier coming to the Med, there is no Chinese boomer sitting in the Med, there will be no Chinese airframes in Syria, period. There will be no Russian or Chinese boots on the ground, period. Hopefully there will be no combat between RuAF and NATO, if there is this mess will get real ugly real quick.

This is not a game, not something to fantasize over. War is the most hideous happening on the face of earth, people get hurt really bad and people get real dead, lots of them. This is not some damned fool movie or computer game with flying tanks and pretty Japanese girls dressed up like Nazis, this is real. This is the sulfur/ammonia smell of exploded ordinance and that ordinance was fired at you to kill you. This is people screaming in pain, screaming in physical and mental agony at either their own wounds or their loved ones torn to pieces, the metallic smell of blood, the rusty nail taste of fear in your mouth, the burning garbage stench of houses and homes going up in flames, the smell of diesel, hot oil, red hot burning steel and the shrieks of the crews of the tanks and AFV's as they burn to death, the stench of festering corpses bloating in the heat and sun as you watch. That, my young friends, is WAR. You may forget with time the fear, you may forget the horrors you have seen, you may forget your forever lost comrades, you may forget the countless dead civilians you've seen, but you never forget the smells, and some nights, in those small hours before dawn when babies are born and men die, you wake in a cold sweat. And you remember all. Is this what your want? Is this what you dream of? I think, and I hope, not.

You youngsters can sit there and pontificate about who should do what with which and to whom and which additions should be made to the forces extant in the AO from both sides, but remember, you do this from the safety of your secure little homes in front of your computers. The ones on the ground of the AO you are mumbling about are the ones who will suffer the consequences of whatever happens in this war, and trust me this war is about to get real violent real soon. You better damned sight hope it doesn't spread and you can continue to sit in safety in your cozy homes. Millions are not so lucky. We hope and pray you stay lucky.

View from inside Raqqa, interesting take on NATO attacks.

A recent series of airstrikes launched by Russian air forces against the Islamic State in Syria caused the ISIL militants to evacuate their checkpoints in Raqqa and to cancel all public events there.

A source in the Islamic State’s so-called 'capital' told Sputnik on condition of anonymity that Russian airstrikes have caused widespread panic among the Islamist militants who apparently were not expecting such a relentless assault. "They thought that Russian warplanes would act like their American counterparts – that they would launch some sporadic surgical strikes at dusk and then they would fly away," the source said. "Instead, Russian military aircraft constantly bombard ISIS positions in the vicinity of Raqqa, and these massed strikes have completely paralyzed the Islamist group’s activities. The Russian air operation proved to be extremely effective."

The source added that Russian military aircraft engage any ISIL forces they encounter, and that the militants were forced to evacuate the checkpoints they previously maintained in and around Raqqa. "The militants now have to wear burqas to conceal their weapons and ISIL command also ordered them not to move in large formations," the source added.

The Islamic State leadership also cancelled collective prayers that were previously held by the terrorist group members on the city streets. According to the source, weddings and public punishments are also no longer held in the city's squares. "Previously, when one of the city residents was caught stealing or smoking or committing some other transgression, he or she was brought to the central square where the Sharia court was held to be publically punished. Now these activities were are no longer conducted due to safety concerns," source said.

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20151006/1028108514/syria-russia-airstrikes-isil-scared.html#ixzz3nohzSqby

Video from some hours ago claimed to be SU24 of RuAF over Syria. I wonder if they are filming stuff on low res so we cant see shit on purpose or they all have Nokia 6070 for real.

ult wrote:Terrorist are hiding near the mosque.

Well shit... If that mosque got bombed..

I expect shitstorm in my facebook timelines.

PapaDragon wrote:

Militarov wrote:

Video from some hours ago claimed to be SU24 of RuAF over Syria. I wonder if they are filming stuff on low res so we cant see shit on purpose or they all have Nokia 6070 for real.

Probably zoomed in or cropped, those planes fly pretty high up...

Even their shots of helicopters suck thats the point, my shots with averagely decent Nikon camera of aircraft look far, far better than this.

"BSF Azov 151 transited south on the Bosphorus and entered the Sea of Marmara 13:45GMT."



"BSF’s Tapir class landing ship Saratov returned from her Syrian deployment in 10 days. 150 transited at dusk."



Source: https://twitter.com/YorukIsik

A policy of 'action speaks louder than words' certainly brings results

MOSCOW (Sputnik) — The Turkish Defense Ministry proposed to Russia on Tuesday setting up a joint working group to coordinate actions and prevent incidents regarding the Russian operations in Syria, a spokesman for the Russian Defense Ministry said.

According to Maj. Gen. Igor Konashenkov, the Russian military attache in Istanbul was summoned on Tuesday to the Turkish Defense Ministry to discuss the issue.

"During the meeting, the Turkish military officials proposed the creation of a joint working group with Russian counterparts to coordinate the actions and prevent possible incidents related to the combat operations of the Russian air group aimed at destroying Islamic State group in Syria," Konashenkov said.

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/military/20151006/1028119502.html#ixzz3nonk7ahS

"Photos reportedly of militants at Hatay Airport, Antakya after fleeing from Russian airstrikes in Syria"

Naturally these could be just any bearded guys out there but again "reportedly".

Source: https://twitter.com/IraqiSuryani1/status/651479764885225472