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    Russian Navy: Status & News #4

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Tue Dec 11, 2018 9:06 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:East of the Barents Sea, along the entire NSR, & in the Bering Sea, SSNs will be needed, even in ice free/coastal waters, as those huge areas r remote with "no services".

    or drones



    GarryB wrote:

    Wow... almost what I have been saying... they don't need a blue water navy now... they don't have the infrastructure or support ships to operate one now, but with the development and growth of the navy over the next few years they can build up their navy and start planning blue water vessels for the future when they will find them very useful.

    wow, besides VSTOL where you are obviously biased and wrong tempered, here you seem to be realistic dude thumbsup thumbsup thumbsup






    LMFS wrote:Implementation of naval strategy continues despite NATO, corruption, 5th column, defeatists and all the odds:

    c'mon there are always chicken-little-defeatists who see navy as dead or nearly dead. There are always to postive people who see the world as nato has no chances too  lol1  lol1  lol1 .

    To me the best is to try to assess situation with bare facts. Emotions we alwasy can add later. Strategy will continue, as it lwasy does. It  is a process with metrics which are changing now to better.  Vide in 2018 SAP should be nearly 100% delivered AFAIK first time since 2011.   Poliment-Redut is now ready, new radars,new  battle managemnt systems, new turbines too, shipyards improved. Only cash and time is needed right?

    remainder of story is even more intriguing:


    "[The program of military shipbuilding] is being carried out in stages. Currently, the Navy has deployed the serial construction of ships of the near-sea zone of a new generation and in parallel is designing ships of the far sea zone. In the very near future the serial construction of surface ships of a large displacement of the far-sea zone will be launched" said Tryapichnikov at the ceremony of receiving the small Orekhovo-Zuyevo rocket ship into the Black Sea Fleet.
    (A)
    He clarified that in the next five years the fleet will receive frigates of the same type as the Admiral Gorshkov, as well as large landing ships of the Ivan Gren type (project 11711). For the remaining types of ships, the dates are not yet called.


    According to Tryapichnikov, ships for the near-sea zone are carriers of high-precision weapons. "Today it can be stated that in a number of parameters, including armament complexes, we are superior to foreign-built ships. Small rocket ships that are being built for the Russian Navy have already proven their effectiveness, operating in the Mediterranean, at a considerable distance from permanent points basing ", added the rear admiral.

    (B) It is planned that the basis of the groupings of ships in the ocean zone will be made up of multifunctional ships of the new generation, which have enhanced combat capabilities in terms of attack and defensive potential. To solve tasks in the far sea zone, frigates will form the basis of the Navy ships - their capabilities will allow solving a wide range of tasks and strengthening the part of the fleet that will perform tasks in the ocean zone.

    (A) if in next 5  years? I bet on Gorskhov-M's  .  3 Gorskhovs already built so production seems to be mastered. Now time to FGG size of DDG ;-) Of course can be leader but with small amount of 22350  would be more effective built 22350M to my educated guess. Liders couple of years later. But we will need to live to see what is gonna be...

    (B) universal ships and groupings? looks like universal carrier/TAKR  strike groups to me - vide Rakhmanov recetn remark about universal ship with 4 functions
    <just speculating>
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    Post  George1 Tue Dec 11, 2018 12:29 pm

    The Black Sea Fleet continues the modernization of large landing ships of the project 775/2 and 775/3 from the 197 brigade of landing ships of the Crimean naval base. Over the past 3 years, the specialists of the 13th SRH Defense Ministry of the Russian Federation have carried out installation and technical work to install the newest satellite communication systems Tsentavr-NM2S, Auriga and SAILOR on ships. All four BDK are members of the Russian Navy operation in Syria, forming the basis of the so-called Syrian express.

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3450857.html
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    Post  miketheterrible Tue Dec 11, 2018 1:05 pm

    LMFS wrote:Implementation of naval strategy continues despite NATO, corruption, 5th column, defeatists and all the odds:

    "It [the naval shipbuilding program] is being implemented stage by stage. Currently, the serial construction of new-generation green-water warships has been launched and simultaneously blue-water warships are being designed. In the immediate future, the serial construction of blue-water large-displacement surface combatants will be launched," the Navy shipbuilding chief said at the ceremony of accepting the missile corvette Orekhovo-Zuyevo for service in the Russian Black Sea Fleet.

    More:
    http://tass.com/defense/1035297

    Because all those odds are minorities in the grand scheme in Russia.
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    Post  verkhoturye51 Tue Dec 11, 2018 2:56 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    (A) if in next 5  years? I bet on Gorskhov-M's  .  3 Gorskhovs already built so production seems to be mastered. Now time to FGG size of DDG ;-) Of course can be leader but with small amount of 22350  would be more effective built 22350M to my educated guess. Liders couple of years later. But we will need to live to see what is gonna be...

    (B) universal ships and groupings? looks like universal carrier/TAKR  strike groups to me - vide Rakhmanov recetn remark about universal ship with 4 functions

    It looks to me as they've delayed Gorshkov M & LHD Priboy/Lavina. Both were to be laid down in 2020. Now they are announcing extra Gorshkovs and Ivan Grens. Later some ships similar to Ivan Gren. And it's a good thing. Making economical long series means saving rubles for priority projects like Husky and producing the rest in big enough quantities. There will be still time to make destroyers and helo carriers after 2025.

    http://tass.com/defense/1035297 wrote:
    In the next five years, the Russian Navy will be accepting frigates of the Admiral Gorshkov class and also large amphibious assault ships similar to the Ivan Gren type
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    Post  Isos Tue Dec 11, 2018 4:02 pm

    It looks to me as they've delayed Gorshkov M & LHD Priboy/Lavina.

    The helo carrier design is not ready yet. No one said they won't build them before 2025. They proved to be able to build big parts for Mistral, they got the ToT of Mistrals, they have naval ka-52 ready. So it is just a matter of design IMO. They need to decide if they want something for anti sub like old Moskva heli carrier or something like NATO heli carriers more specialized in amphibious/landing role. One that has all that would be hard to design and build. They still don't know what their blue navy will looks like so they are probably waiting to have a better strategic picture.

    Ivan gren class proved that things can change quickly and the ship can become obsolate for their overall strategy.

    Depend on how thing go but they could start a heli carrier well before 2025.
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    Post  verkhoturye51 Tue Dec 11, 2018 4:54 pm

    They need to decide if they want something for anti sub like old Moskva heli carrier or something like NATO heli carriers more specialized in amphibious/landing role.

    I quoted Navy that they have decided for IG-like amphibious ships. Now another quote from shipbuilders, confirming that state told them to make those.

    http://tass.com/defense/1009961 wrote:Severnoye Design Bureau has been assigned the task of developing a new project of a large amphibious assault ship for the Navy.

    http://tass.com/defense/1009961 wrote:to create a large amphibious assault ship with a displacement of around 8,000 tonnes

    They sound pretty decided for their short run plans. Design of new class and production can't be done before 2025. From laying first ship down till commisioning it takes min 6 years, to take bright ecample of Burevestnik class. In the case of IG it was 14 years from 2004 to 2018.

    And simultaneous production of two new large amphibious classes is too crazy even for most die hard believers in russian army.
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    Post  Isos Tue Dec 11, 2018 7:57 pm

    Large amphibious assault ship means not much. Japanese, french, italian or US have all large amphibious ship but none is comparable to the others.

    Ivan gren like ships are not a replacement for heli carriers but rather more to replace those landing ships that suffer sending basic truck to syria.
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    Post  LMFS Tue Dec 11, 2018 11:14 pm

    verkhoturye51 wrote:It looks to me as they've delayed Gorshkov M & LHD Priboy/Lavina. Both were to be laid down in 2020. Now they are announcing extra Gorshkovs and Ivan Grens. Later some ships similar to Ivan Gren. And it's a good thing. Making economical long series means saving rubles for priority projects like Husky and producing the rest in big enough quantities. There will be still time to make destroyers and helo carriers after 2025.
    Pure and simply saying they will get more Gorshkovs and Ivan Grens, exactly. No need to try to see nothing more there, there is no time in five years for new designs to be built, at all. Now they are more or less through the worse of restarting the shipbuilding industry they can conservatively start to make plans for bigger vessels like the Gorshkov-M, destroyers, LHDs, carriers and rest of blue navy. Still quite a bit to do with gas turbines, completion of series of corvettes and frigates, modernization of older ships, shipyard upgrade and essentially going back to relative normality.
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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Dec 12, 2018 1:22 am


    Gorshkov-class is exactly what they should focus on, it's the missing piece of entire fleet.

    With those in play all other classes stop being decent standalone ships and are becoming part of something truly efficient.

    Gorshkovs can easily replace Udalois one for one. This s big deal when you remember that Udalois comprise backbone of their blue water fleet. Bigger ships can wait.

    If they finally managed to sort out issues with Gren-class then they should order more of them strictly for transport work.

    Having Grens hauling materiel around means that they can afford to design helicopter carriers with focus on anti-sub warfare like Japanese ones. They could be smaller and quicker to build.
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    Post  Isos Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:37 pm

    https://mobile.twitter.com/Capt_Navy/status/1072795616982515713

    @papadragon @Militarov

    Delivery of first Lider cruiser. I think we should apologize to Eehnie for not trusting him and santa's shipyards lol1 .
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    Post  eehnie Wed Dec 12, 2018 9:10 pm

    Isos wrote:https://mobile.twitter.com/Capt_Navy/status/1072795616982515713

    @papadragon @Militarov

    Delivery of first Lider cruiser. I think we should apologize to Eehnie for not trusting him and santa's shipyards lol1 .

    Of course you never will quote me talking about a delivery of the first unit of the Project 23560 by 2023. By 2025 yes, but by 2023 no.

    Instead we can fun a lot with your pretty stuff about Russian Preliminary Designs, you have a collection of memorable quotes  Embarassed  Embarassed  Embarassed :

    Isos wrote:
    Militarov wrote:You are aware that "preliminary design" can be made out of lego cubes?
    He is not. Prelimanary calculation means for him the ship is about to be build.

    And then we get interesting pictures showing clearly the level of detail of the Russian Preliminary Designs:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/Mirage2000B/status/1061150562601787393

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    Now the Russian Ministry of Defense also has the Preliminary Design of the future aircraft carrier of 70000+ tons completed at the same level of concretion thumbsup

    You will see how much fun we will have  lol1
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Wed Dec 12, 2018 11:11 pm

    dear lads, and now some "3 rank captain retired" about RuN. True drama queen. of sorry The Drama Queen.
    P.S. cpt 3 rank is AFAIK ~ major in land forces. He claims to know and see better then all other officers and builders do. Not really convincing to me.

    Submarine for slaughter

    Without modern search techniques, building fifth-generation submarines is pointless.
    https://vpk-news.ru/articles/46904



    PapaDragon wrote:
    Gorshkov-class is exactly what they should focus on, it's the missing piece of entire fleet.
    With those in play all other classes stop being decent standalone ships and are becoming part of something truly efficient.
    Gorshkovs can easily replace Udalois one for one. This s big deal when you remember that Udalois comprise backbone of their blue water fleet. Bigger ships can wait.
    If they finally managed to sort out issues with Gren-class then they should order more of them strictly for transport work.
    Having Grens hauling materiel around means that they can afford to design helicopter carriers with focus on anti-sub warfare like Japanese ones. They could be smaller and quicker to build.


    yup, especially that this 8,000tons ship can be kinda "Gren-M", so after corvettes time for frigates and subs subs subs. In Russian case long range cover against ASW long range aircraft and choppers would require something with AA missiles too. Jut to cover own subs.





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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Dec 12, 2018 11:17 pm

    eehnie wrote:
    Isos wrote:https://mobile.twitter.com/Capt_Navy/status/1072795616982515713

    @papadragon @Militarov

    Delivery of first Lider cruiser. I think we should apologize to Eehnie for not trusting him and santa's shipyards lol1 .

    Of course you never will quote me talking about a delivery of the first unit of the Project 23560 by 2023. By 2025 yes, but by 2023 no.

    Instead we can fun a lot with your pretty stuff about Russian Preliminary Designs, you have a collection of memorable quotes

    Isos wrote:
    Militarov wrote:You are aware that "preliminary design" can be made out of lego cubes?
    He is not. Prelimanary calculation means for him the ship is about to be build.

    And then we get interesting pictures showing clearly the level of detail of the Russian Preliminary Designs:



    https://mobile.twitter.com/Mirage2000B/status/1061150562601787393


    ......................
    Now the Russian Ministry of Defense also has the Preliminary Design of the future aircraft carrier of 70000+ tons completed at the same level of concretion thumbsup

    You will see how much fun we will have  



    That's not a Russian preliminary design you sad pathetic clown, that's a scale model made by some hobbyist    lol1

    Even letters on the plaque are in Latin

    You literally have description in the link   Razz
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    Post  eehnie Thu Dec 13, 2018 1:13 am

    PapaDragon wrote:That's not a Russian preliminary design you sad pathetic clown, that's a scale model made by some hobbyist

    https://www.russiadefence.net/t5541p50-russian-naval-construction-plans-and-update#194221

    PapaDragon wrote:OK, you know I suck at naval topics

    dunno
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    Post  Isos Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:09 pm

    Of course you never will quote me talking about a delivery of the first unit of the Project 23560 by 2023. By 2025 yes, but by 2023 no.

    You said it was already in construction like 2 years ago.


    Now the Russian Ministry of Defense also has the Preliminary Design of the future aircraft carrier of 70000+ tons completed at the same level of concretion thumbsup

    You will see how much fun we will have lol1

    They're going to deploy these mackets in Syria ? lol1
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    Post  eehnie Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:41 pm

    Isos wrote:You said it was already in construction like 2 years ago.

    This is false. lol1 lol1 lol1 This is not even possible taking into account that the preliminary design of the Project 23560 was approved in the spring of 2017. I know 2018 has been a long year for staunch zionists, but your are wrong. I posted a source saying it less than one year ago. And the source continues saying it:

    http://russianships.info/eng/warships/project_23560.htm

    Updates coming. We will fun a lot, you will see Razz Razz Razz

    Lego preliminary designs, what a pair of "engineers" lol1 lol1 lol1
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    Post  Isos Thu Dec 13, 2018 4:25 pm

    https://mobile.twitter.com/Capt_Navy/status/1073230047086084096

    Steregouchy class ship launching redut missile at targets with interception in the video !!
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    Post  dino00 Thu Dec 13, 2018 8:06 pm

    Cool great video!
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Sat Dec 15, 2018 6:59 pm

    eehnie wrote:
    Isos wrote:You said it was already in construction like 2 years ago.

    This is false. lol1 lol1 lol1 This is not even possible taking into account that the preliminary design of the Project 23560 was approved in the spring of 2017. I know 2018 has been a long year for staunch zionists, but your are wrong. I posted a source saying it less than one year ago. And the source continues saying it:

    http://russianships.info/eng/warships/project_23560.htm

    Updates coming. We will fun a lot, you will see Razz Razz Razz

    Lego preliminary designs, what a pair of "engineers" lol1 lol1 lol1

    Oh yes, your website that lists a ship under construction, that the Russians themselves have not backed up. That no agency in the world has made any comment on, how any Naval expert in the world has not said. So let me ask you this.

    Do you think your website is right over literally....every freaking nation on earth? are you that far gone in your head you believe that?

    Someone on that site made a mistake, the fact you keep clinging to that like its reality is beyond sad. You clearly have some type of legitimate mental disability at this point, I don't know what you are diagnosed with but man it must be bad.
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    Post  eehnie Mon Dec 17, 2018 2:56 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:Do you think your website is right over literally....every freaking nation on earth? are you that far gone in your head you believe that?

    Every nation on Earth... Pure non-sense.


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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Dec 17, 2018 3:02 am

    eehnie wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:Do you think your website is right over literally....every freaking nation on earth? are you that far gone in your head you believe that?

    Pure non-sense.

    That website definitely is

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    Post  eehnie Mon Dec 17, 2018 3:07 am

    PapaDragon wrote:That website definitely is


    The website is by far one of the bests about the Russian Navy.

    They have updated even the most recent commission:

    http://russianships.info/eng/warships/project_21631.htm

    And they have also a good approach on recent decommissions:

    http://russianships.info/eng/warships/project_13000.htm
    http://russianships.info/eng/warships/project_956.htm
    http://russianships.info/eng/warships/project_1332.htm
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    Post  Austin Mon Dec 17, 2018 9:15 am

    What should we build a fleet?



    http://arsenal-otechestva.ru/article/1176-chto-nam-stoit-flot-postroit
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Mon Dec 17, 2018 3:29 pm

    eehnie wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:Do you think your website is right over literally....every freaking nation on earth? are you that far gone in your head you believe that?

    Every nation on Earth... Pure non-sense.

    Then show me a legitimate source that says the ship is under construction NOT. Some Website that isn't supported in anyway by the Russian government or any other intelligence agency or nation on earth.

    No country in the world has made a single comment, If there any ANY truth to this none sense you are BSIng.

    My country (USA) would have been using it to justify bigger naval spending.

    "The russians are building a series or large capable surface ships, we need to up our game to stop them".

    The fact not one Military Agency in the Us alone hasn't tried to spin this shows how full of dung your logic is.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Mon Dec 17, 2018 3:30 pm

    eehnie wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:That website definitely is


    The website is by far one of the bests about the Russian Navy.

    They have updated even the most recent commission:

    http://russianships.info/eng/warships/project_21631.htm

    And they have also a good approach on recent decommissions:

    http://russianships.info/eng/warships/project_13000.htm
    http://russianships.info/eng/warships/project_956.htm
    http://russianships.info/eng/warships/project_1332.htm

    It's a website ran by guys on their spare tim who collect information via the web, they have made mistakes before.

    You just refuse to hear this due to your mentality disability, I hope you are getting meds for it.

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