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    Re: Russian Naval Construction Plans and Update

    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Mar 27, 2017 2:57 pm

    TheArmenian wrote:Apparently the Zelenodorsk shipyard has received an order for an additional 3 BUYAN missile ships.
    That will increase the total for this class to 12.

    Add to that the 18 KARAKURTs building/on order and you have some nice firepower.

    Okay, I definitely did not see that one coming.

    So how does this relate to engine snafu?

    Is it possible that they were satisfied enough with Chinese engines to resume production of this type?
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    Re: Russian Naval Construction Plans and Update

    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Mon Mar 27, 2017 8:38 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    TheArmenian wrote:Apparently the Zelenodorsk shipyard has received an order for an additional 3 BUYAN missile ships.
    That will increase the total for this class to 12.

    Add to that the 18 KARAKURTs building/on order and you have some nice firepower.

    Okay, I definitely did not see that one coming.

    So how does this relate to engine snafu?

    Is it possible that they were satisfied enough with Chinese engines to resume production of this type?

    I commented on this ages ago said they will be building 15 buyan's in total.

    Also They will be building more than 18 Karakuts, from what data I have seen it's.

    18 In pella alone, Three in Sea and another five built by ZVD.
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    Re: Russian Naval Construction Plans and Update

    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Mar 27, 2017 9:26 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    Also They will be building more than 18 Karakuts, from what data I have seen it's.

    18 In pella alone, Three in Sea and another five built by ZVD.


    Agreed. Came to same number a while back when looking at number of AK-176MA guns ordered so far:

    http://www.russiadefence.net/t1032p475-naval-weapon-systems-technology#190009

    Karakurts being built now are just first batch. This will definitely be very numerous ship class.


    SeigSoloyvov wrote:I commented on this ages ago said they will be building 15 buyan's in total.

    Good catch. What I can't figure out is how they dealt with engine problem. It was described as deal breaker back in the day. Whole class was put on hold and they have two ships still waiting for engines in Zelenodolsk and clogging up space.

    So what exactly happened? Did they find local replacement, decided to stick with Chinese engines for rest of the series or did several original German-made engines somehow got ''accidentally'' delivered to them?

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    Re: Russian Naval Construction Plans and Update

    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Mon Mar 27, 2017 9:48 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    Also They will be building more than 18 Karakuts, from what data I have seen it's.

    18 In pella alone, Three in Sea and another five built by ZVD.


    Agreed. Came to same number a while back when looking at number of AK-176MA guns ordered so far:

    http://www.russiadefence.net/t1032p475-naval-weapon-systems-technology#190009

    Karakurts being built now are just first batch. This will definitely be very numerous ship class.


    SeigSoloyvov wrote:I commented on this ages ago said they will be building 15 buyan's in total.

    Good catch. What I can't figure out is how they dealt with engine problem. It was described as deal breaker back in the day. Whole class was put on hold and they have two ships still waiting for engines in Zelenodolsk and clogging up space.  

    So what exactly happened? Did they find local replacement, decided to stick with Chinese engines for rest of the series or did several original German-made engines somehow got ''accidentally'' delivered to them?  


    They always planned to build this many, that said chinese engines from what intel I have seen. The deal was never "off" just delayed,

    Not much of a catch tho, I merely exist in a place in the military where I can get access to such data of the Russians. That said I got a Dam and some ISIS guyts to "play" with soon peace for weeks!
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    Re: Russian Naval Construction Plans and Update

    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Mar 27, 2017 9:55 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:.........

    Not much of a catch tho, I merely exist in a place in the military where I can get access to such data of the Russians. That said I got a Dam and some ISIS guyts to "play" with soon peace for weeks!

    Happy hunting thumbsup
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    Re: Russian Naval Construction Plans and Update

    Post  TheArmenian on Thu Apr 20, 2017 1:05 pm

    Flurry of naval shipbuilding activity in Russia these days:

    Ivan Papanin armed icebreaker (pr. 23550)has been laid down yesterday.
    Vladimir Emelyanov minesweeper (pr. 12700) has just been laid down today.
    Grad missile ship (pr. 21631 Buyan-M) will be laid down on the 24th.

    Also upcoming this spring/summer:

    Gremyashy corvette (pr. 20385) will be launched
    Sovershenny corvette (pr. 20380) will be commissioned
    Admiral Makarov frigate(pr. 11536) will be commissioned
    Admiral Gorshkov frigate will be commisioned
    Ivan Gren landing ship will be commissioned
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    Flurry of naval shipbuilding activity in Russia these days:

    Post  Luq man on Thu Apr 20, 2017 6:54 pm

    TheArmenian wrote:Also upcoming this spring/summer

    Gremyashy corvette (pr. 20385) will be launched
    Sovershenny corvette (pr. 20380) will be commissioned
    Admiral Makarov frigate(pr. 11536) will be commissioned
    Admiral Gorshkov frigate will be commisioned
    Ivan Gren landing ship will be commissioned

    Also, 2 improved kilos for pacific fleet will be laid down this year.
    Vyshniy Volochek [BUYAN-M] will be commisioned for caspian or black sea fleet this year.
    Maybe first project 22160 Vasily Bykov also in 2017.

    Btw does anyone know if the last two improved kilos for bsf will stay in the baltic or will be transferred later.
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    Re: Russian Naval Construction Plans and Update

    Post  TheArmenian on Mon Apr 24, 2017 12:05 pm

    A Whole Navy is Being Built



    To be exact, 52 ships and submarines are under various stages of construction .
    In my list below, I am not including vessels that are:
    - under 500T displacement. I am also not including tankers, resupply ships, spy ship etc.
    - going to be laid down later on this year (such as the 7th Yasen, etc.)
    - under sea trial (Adm. Gorshkov, Adm. Makarov, Ivan Gren, Sovershenny etc.)
    - reserve vessels that are being modernized to be brought back to service (Adm. Nakhimov etc.)
    - intended for the coast guard

    Here is the breakdown of what is under construction:

    5 Project 995 Borei class strategic submarines (all building)
    5 Project 885 Yasen class attack submarines (1 launched, 4 building)
    1 Project 09852 Belgorod special submarine(building)
    1 Project 09851 Khabarovsk special submarine (building)
    2 Project 667 Lada class submarines (building)
    3 Project 22350 Admiral Gorshkov class frigates (1 launched, 2 building)
    3 Project 11536 class Admiral Grigorovich class frigates (1 launched, 2 building)
    1 Project 20386 Drezki class corvette (building)
    2 Project 20385 Gremyashy class corvettes (building)
    5 Project 20380 Steregushy class corvettes (building)
    5 Project 22160 Vasily Bykov class patrol ships (building)
    5 Project 21631 Buyan-M class missile ships (1 launched, 4 building)
    7 Project 22800 Karakurt class missile ships (building)
    2 Project 12421 Tarantul class missile ships (building)
    1 Project 11711 class landing ship (buiding)
    1 Project 23550 Ivan Papanin class artic patrol ship (building)
    3 Project 12700 Alexandrit class Minesweepers (building)
    ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
    52 in total.

    Furthermore, that number is going to increase by a few more units that are going to be laid down later this year (2 Project 636 Kilo class, the second Papanin, more Karakurts, etc.).
    By the beginning of 2018 the number of ships under various stages of construction will be in excess of 60.
    None of the above ships will enter service this year. They will be commissioned starting next year onwards.  Starting with 2019, we should expect a commissioning rate of minimum 10 per year for the foreseeable future.
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    Re: Russian Naval Construction Plans and Update

    Post  TheArmenian on Tue May 16, 2017 3:13 pm

    The recon. (spy) ship IVAN KHURS has been launched today at your favourite shipyard (Severnaya Werf)

    https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/93530/

    https://ria.ru/defense_safety/20170516/1494383689.html

    This is the second ship of the project 18280.

    It will enter service before end 2017 together with the Admiral Gorshkov frigate and the supply ship Elbrus, all built at the same shipyard.

    The project 20385 Gremyashy corvettes should be launched during this summer too.

    I will let you guess what ships will be laid down at Severnaya later on this year.
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    Re: Russian Naval Construction Plans and Update

    Post  PapaDragon on Tue May 16, 2017 7:29 pm

    TheArmenian wrote:..............
    This is the second ship of the project 18280.
    It will enter service before end 2017 together with the Admiral Gorshkov frigate and the supply ship Elbrus, all built at the same shipyard.
    The project 20385 Gremyashy corvettes should be launched during this summer too.

    I will let you guess what ships will be laid down at Severnaya later on this year.

    OK, you know I suck at naval topics and I am curious as hell. So which on will be laid down next??? Embarassed Shocked
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    Re: Russian Naval Construction Plans and Update

    Post  TheArmenian on Tue May 16, 2017 8:23 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    TheArmenian wrote:..............
    This is the second ship of the project 18280.
    It will enter service before end 2017 together with the Admiral Gorshkov frigate and the supply ship Elbrus, all built at the same shipyard.
    The project 20385 Gremyashy corvettes should be launched during this summer too.

    I will let you guess what ships will be laid down at Severnaya later on this year.

    OK, you know I suck at naval topics and I am curious as hell. So which on will be laid down next??? Embarassed Shocked

    Your guess is as good (or bad) as mine.

    My guess:
    One more Project 18280 spy ship will be laid down (they are planning to have 4 of these ships) plus one Project 20386 (Derzky) class frigate.
    When the third Gorshkov class is launched towards the end of the year, they will lay down the first super-Gorshkov. The Navy will suffice itself with 4 Gorshkovs only. Super-Gorshkov is what they are looking forward to.

    But I could be wrong dunno
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    Re: Russian Naval Construction Plans and Update

    Post  TheArmenian on Tue May 23, 2017 4:31 pm

    Vympel shipyard in Rybinsk (Yaroslavl region) is being modernized.
    This shipyard produces a number of types of civilian and military ships (including the MANGUST class craft).

    Currently it is completing the construction of the last two TARANTUL (Molniya) class missile corvettes fro the Russian Navy. These two are expected to enter service next year.

    https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/93643/
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    Re: Russian Naval Construction Plans and Update

    Post  eehnie on Mon Jun 05, 2017 2:34 am

    Finally, it seems that the ships of the Project 22350 are entering in the size of the current Destroyers of the Russian Navy fleet, despite to be called Frigate, and even there is a plan for a bigger variant. It seems to be the right ship to replace the current Destroyers, wich means the Project 21956 definitely ruled out.

    The following list includes all the combat ships under production, no matter the timeline. Some of the ships maybe for export, but the buyer is not clear still. The list includes not reparations. The list includes not auxiliary ships for the Russian Navy, and between them, includes not low armed patrol ships.

    Update of the ships under construction by role:

    36 - Warships:
    1 - Project 11540 Frigate (2 more not-completed)
    4 - Project 11356 Frigate
    1 - Project 11660/11661 Frigate (1 more not-completed)
    8 - Project 20380/20385 Frigate/Corvette
    4 - Project 21631 Corvette (1 more not completed)
    6 - Project 22350 Destroyer/Frigate
    6 - Project 22160 Frigate
    6 - Project 22800 Corvette
    0 - Project 23560 Cruiser/Destroyer
    0 - Project 23000E Aircraft Carrier

    15 - Submarines:
    1 - Project 949/09852 Nuclear Submarine (5 more not-completed)
    2 - Project 677 Conventional Submarine
    5 - Project 955 Nuclear Submarine
    6 - Project 885/08851 Nuclear Submarine
    1 - Project 09851 Nuclear Submarine

    17 - Minesweepers:
    3 - Project 1265 (2 more not-completed)
    6 - Project 10750
    1 - Project 12255 (1 more not-completed)
    7 - Project 12700

    10 - Amphibious:
    1 - Project 11770/11771 (Azov shipyard, Mariupol)
    6 - Project 21820
    1 - Project 02510
    2 - Project 11711
    0 - Project ????? Lavina
    0 - Project ????? Priboi

    7 - Missile Boats:
    6 - Project 12411/12417/12418/1241RE Missile Boat
    1 - Project 12300 Missile Boat

    85 - Ships under construction. Some maybe to export.

    As commented other times, Russia is becoming ready to afford the high number of decommissions that should come after 2024 and more intensely after 2030. Until then the rythm of commissions and decommissions is being low, as expected, as planned.

    I do not expect cancellations. It means loses. Even the ships with longer timeline under construction should be completed for the Russian Navy or to export, in order to avoid loses.

    I expect a low number of orders in the State Armament Program 2018-2025. The minimum number of orders of new ships necessary to reach a capability of building every type of combat ship by the end of 2025, would be 1 Project 23000E Aircraft Carrier and 1 Project 23460 Cruiser/Destroyer. In my opinion this is an important goal for Russia. Also I expect some order of big amphibious ships.


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    Re: Russian Naval Construction Plans and Update

    Post  George1 on Mon Jun 05, 2017 6:46 am

    Nice job! Agree almost with all except Project 22160 which is a patrol vessel

    We have also the bigger patrol vessel for arctic, Project 23550 (1 under construction)


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    Re: Russian Naval Construction Plans and Update

    Post  eehnie on Mon Jun 05, 2017 6:53 am

    George1 wrote:Nice job! Agree almost with all except Project 22160 which is a patrol vessel

    We have also the bigger patrol vessel for arctic, Project 23550 (1 under construction)

    I saw some news about the Project 22160 armed with Kalibr missiles. It would make a difference for this ship. It will be necessary to confirm.
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    Re: Russian Naval Construction Plans and Update

    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Jun 05, 2017 11:06 am

    eehnie wrote:
    George1 wrote:Nice job! Agree almost with all except Project 22160 which is a patrol vessel

    We have also the bigger patrol vessel for arctic, Project 23550 (1 under construction)

    I saw some news about the Project 22160 armed with Kalibr missiles. It would make a difference for this ship. It will be necessary to confirm.


    Confirmed long ago. It's a container system, both options are available. Kalibr back, Uran front:

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    Re: Russian Naval Construction Plans and Update

    Post  TheArmenian on Fri Jun 09, 2017 7:56 am

    2nd LADA class (project 677) submarine KRONSHTADT will be launched in 2018

    http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/4324435

    Also, the second IVAN PAPANIN (Project 23550) class military icebreaker will be laid down in 2018. Name is NIKOLAI ZUBOV
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    Re: Russian Naval Construction Plans and Update

    Post  eehnie on Sun Jul 02, 2017 12:06 am

    Finnishing the process of reduction of the combat fleet of the Russian Navy, the logical situation for the following years would be a situation of stability in the fleet.

    Taking into account that the ships of the 1980s can have still some renovation, update and upgrade, that can make them useful until the 2030s, we can expect a low amount of old ships to retire before 2024-2025. The logical situation for the following years would be a situation with low number of decommissions and low number of commissions, and a process of replacement ship by ship (which mean not to be identical or totally equivalent ships). As example, in 2016, it were 4 decommissions (1 by sale) and 5 commissions, and in the first half of 2017, it has not been decommissions and commissions in the combat fleet of the Russian Navy.

    Between the most inmediate cases (some can be solved in 2017 and the rest in 2018):

    Warship 5000-10000 tons: 1 Project 22350 ship for commission vs 1 Project 1134B ship for decommission.
    Amphibious: 1 Project 11711 ship for commission vs 1 Project 1171 ship for decommission (the decommission maybe delayed).
    Warship 1500-5000 tons: 1 Project 11356 ship for commission vs 1 Project 61/01090 ship for decommission.

    Amphibious: 1 Project 02510 ship for commission.
    Warship 1500-5000 tons: 1 Project 20380/20385 ship for commission.
    Warship 500-1500 tons: 1 Project 22800 ship for commission.
    Warship 500-1500 tons: 1 Project 21631 ship for commission.
    Warship 1500-5000 tons: 1 Project 22160 ship for commission.
    vs
    Warship 15-500 tons: 4 Project 1204 ships for decommission (the decommission maybe by sale).
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    Re: Russian Naval Construction Plans and Update

    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Jul 02, 2017 11:13 pm


    George1 wrote:Project 12130E Gunboat



    Would this be replacement for Granachok patrol boat?
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    Re: Russian Naval Construction Plans and Update

    Post  George1 on Tue Jul 04, 2017 2:15 pm

    Annual report of the Northern BCP for 2016. The development of a draft outline for a prospective NC

    06/03/2017 Open for public access Annual report of JSC Northern PKB for 2016.

    The most significant information in the report is the data on the 100% technical readiness for the outline of the draft design of the ship 23560 (a prospective vessel of the ocean zone) at the end of 2016. Other names mentioned in the various documents: Research Leader, Leader, Leader-1, "Leader-St. Petersburg").

    The main indicators for the types of work planned in 2016 are given in the following table:


    http://nortwolf-sam.livejournal.com/1944135.html


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    Re: Russian Naval Construction Plans and Update

    Post  Big_Gazza on Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:45 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    George1 wrote:Project 12130E Gunboat
    Would this be replacement for Granachok patrol boat?

    Possibly, though its a fair bit smaller and doesn't (apparently) have the anti-personnel acoustic sensors or grenade-launchers typically used against saboteurs (ie frogmen), though these could be fitted of course.

    Anyhow, its not like the Grachonok are old vessels (first builds from 2008 or so), unless they are a bit on the pricey side for their role?
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    Re: Russian Naval Construction Plans and Update

    Post  TheArmenian on Wed Jul 05, 2017 4:21 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    George1 wrote:Project 12130E Gunboat



    Would this be replacement for Granachok patrol boat?

    This model was shown at previous exhibitions. Nothing new.
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    Re: Russian Naval Construction Plans and Update

    Post  medo on Wed Jul 05, 2017 4:26 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    George1 wrote:Project 12130E Gunboat



    Would this be replacement for Granachok patrol boat?

    No, they are made for different tasks. Grachonok is sea going anti-divers boat, while 12130 is river going patrol boat.
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    Re: Russian Naval Construction Plans and Update

    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Jul 05, 2017 4:53 pm

    medo wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    George1 wrote:Project 12130E Gunboat

    http://bastion-karpenko.ru/VVT/12130M_MVMS-2017_02.jpg


    Would this be replacement for Granachok patrol boat?

    No, they are made for different tasks. Grachonok is sea going anti-divers boat, while 12130 is river going patrol boat.

    How much need is there for river boats like these in modern war?

    Woul Coast Guard be interested in them?
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    Re: Russian Naval Construction Plans and Update

    Post  eehnie on Wed Jul 05, 2017 5:16 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    medo wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    George1 wrote:Project 12130E Gunboat

    http://bastion-karpenko.ru/VVT/12130M_MVMS-2017_02.jpg


    Would this be replacement for Granachok patrol boat?

    No, they are made for different tasks. Grachonok is sea going anti-divers boat, while 12130 is river going patrol boat.

    How much need is there for river boats like these in modern war?

    Woul Coast Guard be interested in them?

    Yes, the Russian Coast Guard has the 4 that have been built in the last 20 years. In the fleet of the Amur River.

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