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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #19

    Post  Karl Haushofer on Tue Aug 04, 2015 10:49 am

    sepheronx wrote:And how do you propose they will send them to Russia? At this point, Russia is watching these borders to Ukraine like a hawk. The chechens and tatar extremists should be allowed to go through to stir whatever garbage they want in Ukraine. Let that shithole rot.

    On that same point, they (Ukraine) is pushing more of their own "sanctions" on Russia. Good for them. Those monkeys are proving more and more incompetent daily.  Hey, maybe Russia should skyrocket prices for their energy products to Ukraine in response. That would be funny.

    Theoretically Ukraine could send terrorists to Crimea as "illegal workforce". There are thousands of Ukrainians who currently work in Crimea as illegals. They went to Crimea illegally because according to Ukrainian law it is not permitted to visit Crimea.

    So, in theory, these terrorists could come to Crimea as illegal workforce after being trained by the SBU/CIA to conduct terrorist attacks.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #19

    Post  JohninMK on Tue Aug 04, 2015 11:29 am

    Karl Haushofer wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:And how do you propose they will send them to Russia? At this point, Russia is watching these borders to Ukraine like a hawk. The chechens and tatar extremists should be allowed to go through to stir whatever garbage they want in Ukraine. Let that shithole rot.

    On that same point, they (Ukraine) is pushing more of their own "sanctions" on Russia. Good for them. Those monkeys are proving more and more incompetent daily.  Hey, maybe Russia should skyrocket prices for their energy products to Ukraine in response. That would be funny.

    Theoretically Ukraine could send terrorists to Crimea as "illegal workforce". There are thousands of Ukrainians who currently work in Crimea as illegals. They went to Crimea illegally because according to Ukrainian law it is not permitted to visit Crimea.

    So, in theory, these terrorists could come to Crimea as illegal workforce after being trained by the SBU/CIA to conduct terrorist attacks.
    There seems to be very little sabotage by either side. I suspect that that is a can of worms that Kiev really doesn't want to open as they are a much bigger target.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #19

    Post  Karl Haushofer on Tue Aug 04, 2015 11:31 am

    JohninMK wrote:
    Karl Haushofer wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:And how do you propose they will send them to Russia? At this point, Russia is watching these borders to Ukraine like a hawk. The chechens and tatar extremists should be allowed to go through to stir whatever garbage they want in Ukraine. Let that shithole rot.

    On that same point, they (Ukraine) is pushing more of their own "sanctions" on Russia. Good for them. Those monkeys are proving more and more incompetent daily.  Hey, maybe Russia should skyrocket prices for their energy products to Ukraine in response. That would be funny.

    Theoretically Ukraine could send terrorists to Crimea as "illegal workforce". There are thousands of Ukrainians who currently work in Crimea as illegals. They went to Crimea illegally because according to Ukrainian law it is not permitted to visit Crimea.

    So, in theory, these terrorists could come to Crimea as illegal workforce after being trained by the SBU/CIA to conduct terrorist attacks.
    There seems to be very little sabotage by either side. I suspect that that is a can of worms that Kiev really doesn't want to open as they are a much bigger target.

    I hope you are right. But if the Kiev junta and it's backers are crazy enough to go to this route it this is what they would probably do.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #19

    Post  JohninMK on Tue Aug 04, 2015 11:36 am

    Karl Haushofer wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:
    Karl Haushofer wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:And how do you propose they will send them to Russia? At this point, Russia is watching these borders to Ukraine like a hawk. The chechens and tatar extremists should be allowed to go through to stir whatever garbage they want in Ukraine. Let that shithole rot.

    On that same point, they (Ukraine) is pushing more of their own "sanctions" on Russia. Good for them. Those monkeys are proving more and more incompetent daily.  Hey, maybe Russia should skyrocket prices for their energy products to Ukraine in response. That would be funny.

    Theoretically Ukraine could send terrorists to Crimea as "illegal workforce". There are thousands of Ukrainians who currently work in Crimea as illegals. They went to Crimea illegally because according to Ukrainian law it is not permitted to visit Crimea.

    So, in theory, these terrorists could come to Crimea as illegal workforce after being trained by the SBU/CIA to conduct terrorist attacks.
    There seems to be very little sabotage by either side. I suspect that that is a can of worms that Kiev really doesn't want to open as they are a much bigger target.

    I hope you are right. But if the Kiev junta and it's backers are crazy enough to go to this route it this is what they would probably do.
    Yes but any attack in response targeted at the grain export routes or power lines would have serious effects on the economy. There is very little 'pulling the tail' at the moment for very good reasons. Indeed it never really happened when the war was hot. This is a civil was that is scratching the itch, not going for the jugular.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #19

    Post  JohninMK on Tue Aug 04, 2015 12:04 pm

    Militaries don't come cheap

    KIEV (Sputnik) — Ukraine’s Defense Ministry estimates that it will need an annual budget of more than $4.6 billion to maintain a contract army, the defense minister’s aide Yuriy Biriukov said Tuesday. "More than 100 billion [hryvnias, or $4.6 billion] is required to have a contract army, with the ratio of contractors at 60 to 40," Biriukov told Hromadske TV channel.

    The country’s struggling economy cannot afford a fully professional army at the moment, the ministerial aide indicated. He said there were currently over 50,000 contract soldiers in Ukraine’s army ranks.

    Ukrainian Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk earlier ordered Defense Minister Stepan Poltorak to prepare preliminary estimates of what it would take to switch to a contract military service, as well as create a new system of army training and enrollment schemes.


    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150804/1025376128.html#ixzz3hqKy4ZGK

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #19

    Post  JohninMK on Tue Aug 04, 2015 12:07 pm

    More, totally definite proof of Russian troops in Ukraine. The man's name and dog tag have clearly been suppressed to protect him. Probably.

    An unidentified man in the self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic told OSCE that he serves in a nonexistent unit of the Russian armed forces. An armed man and an international observer of the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE) stand next a destroyed car after shelling during an OSCE inspection tour near the village of Shirokino.

    A new report from the OSCE monitoring mission in Ukraine's Donbass says that a man at a DPR weapons site claimed to be from the "16th airborne brigade" from Russia's Orenburg.

    There is no 16th airborne brigade in the Russian armed forces, and no Russian airborne brigades are stationed in Russia's Orenburg region.

    "An armed man guarding the facility at one of the sites claimed that he and those present at the site were part of the 16th airborne brigade from Orenburg, Russian Federation. They did not wear identifying insignia," the OSCE report said. The OSCE, which strives to monitor the conflict impartially, noted down the man's statement in the monitoring mission report.

    "The reliability of these statements must be checked," the Kremlin's spokesman Dmitry Peskov said in response to a question on the issue.

    The unidentified man's claim has been circulated in Ukrainian media as an argument for the presence of Russian troops in Ukraine. Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko has previously claimed that over 9,000 Russian troops are present in Ukraine, although he did not specify how they had been identified.


    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150804/1025375795.html#ixzz3hqLWP5sQ

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #19

    Post  Project Canada on Tue Aug 04, 2015 12:18 pm

    JohninMK wrote:More, totally definite proof of Russian troops in Ukraine. The man's name and dog tag have clearly been suppressed to protect him. Probably.

    An unidentified man in the self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic told OSCE that he serves in a nonexistent unit of the Russian armed forces. An armed man and an international observer of the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE) stand next a destroyed car after shelling during an OSCE inspection tour near the village of Shirokino.

    A new report from the OSCE monitoring mission in Ukraine's Donbass says that a man at a DPR weapons site claimed to be from the "16th airborne brigade" from Russia's Orenburg.

    There is no 16th airborne brigade in the Russian armed forces, and no Russian airborne brigades are stationed in Russia's Orenburg region.

    "An armed man guarding the facility at one of the sites claimed that he and those present at the site were part of the 16th airborne brigade from Orenburg, Russian Federation. They did not wear identifying insignia," the OSCE report said. The OSCE, which strives to monitor the conflict impartially, noted down the man's statement in the monitoring mission report.

    "The reliability of these statements must be checked," the Kremlin's spokesman Dmitry Peskov said in response to a question on the issue.

    The unidentified man's claim has been circulated in Ukrainian media as an argument for the presence of Russian troops in Ukraine. Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko has previously claimed that over 9,000 Russian troops are present in Ukraine, although he did not specify how they had been identified.


    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150804/1025375795.html#ixzz3hqLWP5sQ

    what a setup! he is definitely an agent planted by the Ukrops with CIA backing. If ever there are real Russian troops in Novorossia I'm pretty sure they have strict orders not to reveal their identity

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #19

    Post  Flagship Victory on Tue Aug 04, 2015 12:35 pm

    3 Maidan soldiers KIA 7 Maidan soldiers WIA yesterday.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #19

    Post  Erk on Tue Aug 04, 2015 12:37 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Militaries don't come cheap

    KIEV (Sputnik) — Ukraine’s Defense Ministry estimates that it will need an annual budget of more than $4.6 billion to maintain a contract army, the defense minister’s aide Yuriy Biriukov said Tuesday. "More than 100 billion [hryvnias, or $4.6 billion] is required to have a contract army, with the ratio of contractors at 60 to 40," Biriukov told Hromadske TV channel.

    The country’s struggling economy cannot afford a fully professional army at the moment, the ministerial aide indicated. He said there were currently over 50,000 contract soldiers in Ukraine’s army ranks.

    Ukrainian Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk earlier ordered Defense Minister Stepan Poltorak to prepare preliminary estimates of what it would take to switch to a contract military service, as well as create a new system of army training and enrollment schemes.


    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150804/1025376128.html#ixzz3hqKy4ZGK

    So where is Ukraine going to get $4.6billion per year from, when it can't even afford gas, pensions, paying miners, and other essentials?

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #19

    Post  Project Canada on Tue Aug 04, 2015 12:41 pm

    Erk wrote:

    So where is Ukraine going to get $4.6billion per year from, when it can't even afford gas, pensions, paying miners, and other essentials?

    IMF? USaid? American tax payer's money? either way, the stream of funds should run dry sooner and the whole country will plunge into chaos and break into pieces

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #19

    Post  Khepesh on Tue Aug 04, 2015 12:55 pm

    Andrei Purgin is quoted as saying that Kiev have unilaterally withdrawn from the negotiations in Minsk. He says it is on the political issues, which now ties in with the news yesterday of one of the Kiev delegates walking out. However, Purgin says that some local military issues are resolved, but are essentially inconsequential. He further says that he believes Minsk can be reformatted and the duration extended. I see this as simply talk to show that DNR/LNR are still at Minsk and still ready to talk, while Kiev is the party that does not want peace. I view this as good news.
    http://www.politnavigator.net/dnr-ukraina-v-odnostoronnem-poryadke-vyshla-iz-minskikh-soglashenijj.html

    Edit: I just saw this news that Poroshenko has called a sudden meeting of the War Cabinet http://dnr-news.com/dnr/23713-poroshenko-neozhidanno-sozval-zasedanie-voennogo-kabineta.html

    We are well in the zone of forecast for war resuming from late July to early August....

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #19

    Post  Flagship Victory on Tue Aug 04, 2015 1:14 pm

    JohninMK wrote:More, totally definite proof of Russian troops in Ukraine. The man's name and dog tag have clearly been suppressed to protect him. Probably.

    An unidentified man in the self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic told OSCE that he serves in a nonexistent unit of the Russian armed forces. An armed man and an international observer of the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE) stand next a destroyed car after shelling during an OSCE inspection tour near the village of Shirokino.

    A new report from the OSCE monitoring mission in Ukraine's Donbass says that a man at a DPR weapons site claimed to be from the "16th airborne brigade" from Russia's Orenburg.

    There is no 16th airborne brigade in the Russian armed forces, and no Russian airborne brigades are stationed in Russia's Orenburg region.

    "An armed man guarding the facility at one of the sites claimed that he and those present at the site were part of the 16th airborne brigade from Orenburg, Russian Federation. They did not wear identifying insignia," the OSCE report said. The OSCE, which strives to monitor the conflict impartially, noted down the man's statement in the monitoring mission report.

    "The reliability of these statements must be checked," the Kremlin's spokesman Dmitry Peskov said in response to a question on the issue.

    The unidentified man's claim has been circulated in Ukrainian media as an argument for the presence of Russian troops in Ukraine. Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko has previously claimed that over 9,000 Russian troops are present in Ukraine, although he did not specify how they had been identified.


    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150804/1025375795.html#ixzz3hqLWP5sQ

    Uh ye I'm from the 9999th brigade of the Russian army. That'll scare the bajizas out of Maidan soldiers and make them pee their pants. They only dare to bully civilians. They are terrified of the Russian army. cheers

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #19

    Post  whir on Tue Aug 04, 2015 1:22 pm

    Anyone has more info in relation to this:

    Коммерсантъ FM 93,6 via Google Translate wrote:‏@KFM9363:51 AM - 4 Aug 2015
    In Odessa unknown killed by border of the EU mission - Ministry of Internal Affairs // TASS

    scratch

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #19

    Post  Khepesh on Tue Aug 04, 2015 1:41 pm

    Another video of the explosion with the ukrops Msta-B. I thought it had been a breech explosion, like a failure of the obturation perhaps, but it is now clear that there was an explosion in the chamber. I can only guess that a shell had been loaded, then instead of the propellant case being loaded, another shell was rammed into the breech which had a fuze set for detonation on impact. Whatever it was, more...

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #19

    Post  Khepesh on Tue Aug 04, 2015 2:40 pm

    whir wrote:Anyone has more info in relation to this:

    Коммерсантъ FM 93,6 via Google Translate wrote:‏@KFM9363:51 AM - 4 Aug 2015
    In Odessa unknown killed by border of the EU mission - Ministry of Internal Affairs // TASS

    scratch
    Difficult to find anything on this. All I have seen apart from the tweet is info that the body of a person who was either a member of the EU mission or worked for them, it is not clear, was found on the beach. But this info had no originating source to back it up, and Odessa raccoons don't yet know anything more about this.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #19

    Post  Project Canada on Tue Aug 04, 2015 3:28 pm

    Another accomplishment for Maidan

    Ukrainian Officer Who Killed Child in Drunken Accident Receives State Honor

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150804/1025384295.html#ixzz3hrAdXUB9

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #19

    Post  Khepesh on Tue Aug 04, 2015 4:40 pm

    Anybody who has failed to access VK and wonders what happens, then on the news it was reported that there is a cable failure between data centers.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #19

    Post  JohninMK on Tue Aug 04, 2015 9:13 pm

    Not unexpected, say one thing in public then

    MOSCOW, August 4, /TASS/. The working subgroup on security issues will submit to the Contact Group two editions of an agreement on weapons withdrawal on August 26, representative of the self-proclaimed Lugansk People’s Republic (LPR) at the Minsk talks Vladislav Deinego said on Tuesday.

    "The subgroup has just ended its meeting. The working subgroup on security has failed to reach common grounds. Opinions divided, so the text was drafted in two editions," LuganskInformCentre quoted him as saying. "One the texts indicates difference on separate sections, in a squared edition as of 22:00 yesterday. The other one is the edition Ukraine is insisting on after it turned down the agreed edition." "And now these two texts are to be considered by the Contact Group on August 26," he added.

    The LPR envoy said he hoped the Normandy Four leaders would use their influence to make Kiev withdraw weapons of less than 100mm caliber from the line of engagement. He said he did not rule out that the Ukrainian side was planning an offensive at the most problem section of the contact line and that was why it was so reluctant to withdraw its troops. "These are the sections from where the Ukrainian side regularly shells [DPR and LPR territories]. And they want to reserve this possibility for themselves," he said. "Judging by their persistence on that matter without any reasonable arguments, it makes one think that Ukraine is planning an offensive at these sections."

    On Monday, August 3, the Contact Group and its subgroups held a meeting in the Belarusian capital city Minsk. The meeting lasted late into the night but failed to yield one of the most expected results - the initialing of the text of the agreement on phased withdrawal of tanks, armoured vehicles and weapons of a caliber less than 100mm from the line of engagement. So, it was decided that the subgroup on security, which addressed this issue, would continue its meeting until the final text was adopted. The group resumed its session on Tuesday morning.

    On Tuesday evening, the Belarusian foreign ministry said the meeting of the security subgroup was over. Apart from that, a source close to the talks told TASS the current round of talks on the Ukrainian settlement was over too.






    LUGANSK (Sputnik) — In late July, the so-called Normandy Quartet, comprising Russia, France, Ukraine and Germany, agreed the withdrawal of weapons with caliber less than 100-mm and the establishment of a 30-kilometer (18.6-mile) demilitarized zone at the contact line separating Kiev-led forces and Donbass militia in Ukraine's southeast.

    "The situation with the pullout of weapons with caliber less than 100-mm has been brought to a deadlock by Ukraine," the Lugansk Information Center quoted Denis Pushilin and Vladislav Deinego as saying.

    On July 28, Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko said the agreement would be signed by August 3 and implemented within 10 days.

    "We have to note a blatant sabotage by Ukraine, and point out at attempts by the Ukrainian side to derail the withdrawal by any means," the envoys stressed. According to Deinego, the Contact Group on Ukrainian reconciliation’s security subgroup will submit the text of the agreement to the Contact Group on August 26. Since the two sides did not manage to reach consensus on the issue, there will be two editions of the text.

    A source in the talks on the weaponry withdrawal has said that Kiev refused to withdraw weaponry from four specific areas, while militias demanded withdrawal along the whole contact line.


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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #19

    Post  Khepesh on Tue Aug 04, 2015 9:46 pm

    Donetsk under bombardment again, but not the normal, its the city center again as well. Dmitry Steshin as well as the locals are posting this. Steshin estimates heavy artillery, 152mm.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #19

    Post  sepheronx on Tue Aug 04, 2015 10:06 pm

    Since the PUkrainian delegation pranced out of the Minsk meeting like the fairy he is, they are trying to bait the rebels and Russians to try to deter this peace agreement. I say just quietly strike that artillery position, quickly, and nothing will be said.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #19

    Post  Erk on Tue Aug 04, 2015 10:09 pm



    Kiev seem to be moving in some bigger artillery again.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #19

    Post  Flagship Victory on Tue Aug 04, 2015 10:23 pm

    Khepesh wrote:Donetsk under bombardment again, but not the normal, its the city center again as well. Dmitry Steshin as well as the locals are posting this. Steshin estimates heavy artillery, 152mm.


    Is NAF firing back and destroying Maidan's artillery?

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #19

    Post  Flagship Victory on Tue Aug 04, 2015 10:50 pm

    Is there a travel ban placed on this traitor?


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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #19

    Post  sepheronx on Tue Aug 04, 2015 10:54 pm

    If there isn't, Guaranteed the FSB will be watching her like a fly on crap.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #19

    Post  flamming_python on Tue Aug 04, 2015 11:31 pm

    Well honestly liberasts are something of an endangered species in modern-day Russia, and I believe that there should always be political opposition to any government; even if it is a batshit crazy one - but hey, her choice and all, and for those of you that really can't stand liberasts - you should be thanking the Ukraine for taking her, it's done Russia a service.

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