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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #19

    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Aug 05, 2015 12:32 am


    It's always sunny in Mariupol... lol1

    Conflict scares off beach-goers in east Ukraine

    http://news.yahoo.com/conflict-scares-off-beach-goers-east-ukraine-140754600.html

    With title (and content) as retarded as this you know its yahoo news... Razz

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #19

    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Wed Aug 05, 2015 12:56 am

    Odin of Ossetia wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:
    Odin of Ossetia wrote:
    KomissarBojanchev wrote:Instead of growing close with the catholic hungarians and slovaks who have historically done great atrocities against them ,there should be an effort to make the rusyn national consciosness to identify itsself with the orthodox east slavic family, them being the westernmost members of the russian people.


    What Slovak atrocities?


    Damned if I know what he's refering to either.

    Rusyns should conscious themselves up and join Slovakia or Hungary; either would make a good home for them - Ukraine is sure to progress into an absolute wreck.


    Rusins should become independent.

    And have no idea what "Slovak atrocities" he wrote about.

    A significant portion of ethnic Hungarians are Protestant (Calvinist).
    The rusyns suffered greatly under the austrohungarian empire and are culturally and religiously closer to the russians than the neighbouring catholic people to the west. That's why I'm saying Russia should convince them to join the "rusky mir" instead of assimilating into culturally alien potentially hostile NATO states.

    When the ukraine collapses ruthenia should be integrated to be an autonomous republic within the Russian Federation.


    The same can eventually be done even with galicia when the people there sober up to economic and cultural reality that they're far closer to russia , as well as the fact that the their former hatred was caused by historical lies created by the their catholic neighbours in an effort to dismember the orthodox slavic east.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #19

    Post  Flagship Victory on Wed Aug 05, 2015 1:07 am

    How can Maidan still have arty left when every day Maidan shells Donetsk and every day NAF counter fire destroys Maidan's arty and men? Unless Maidan is manufacturing new arty to replace losses.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #19

    Post  Erk on Wed Aug 05, 2015 2:12 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    It's always sunny in Mariupol... lol1

    Conflict scares off beach-goers in east Ukraine

    http://news.yahoo.com/conflict-scares-off-beach-goers-east-ukraine-140754600.html

    With title (and content) as retarded as this you know its yahoo news... Razz

    I was under the impression the NAF pulled away from Mariupol, have they moved back there again?

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #19

    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Aug 05, 2015 2:57 am

    Erk wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    It's always sunny in Mariupol... lol1

    Conflict scares off beach-goers in east Ukraine

    http://news.yahoo.com/conflict-scares-off-beach-goers-east-ukraine-140754600.html

    With title (and content) as retarded as this you know its yahoo news... Razz

    I was under the impression the NAF pulled away from Mariupol, have they moved back there again?

    Yeah, but it's not like they packed their stuff and went to Sochi or something.lol1

    They just pulled back several clicks, that is all, but there still there ready and willing. Twisted Evil

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #19

    Post  par far on Wed Aug 05, 2015 4:10 am

    Flagship Victory wrote:
    Khepesh wrote:Donetsk under bombardment again, but not the normal, its the city center again as well. Dmitry Steshin as well as the locals are posting this. Steshin estimates heavy artillery, 152mm.


    Is NAF firing back and destroying Maidan's artillery?




    I think they are just firing back with 5.45x39

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #19

    Post  higurashihougi on Wed Aug 05, 2015 7:53 am

    Flagship Victory wrote:Uh ye I'm from the 9999th brigade of the Russian army. That'll scare the bajizas out of Maidan soldiers and make them pee their pants. They only dare to bully civilians. They are terrified of the Russian army. cheers

    Probably our Russia Defence forum must be the 1st Internet Guard Division of Russian Armed Forces, all of us are agents and soldiers served in FSB and in the Russian Army, etc etc... but anybody has received salary from Putin pwnd pwnd pwnd

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    Ukrainian Officer Who Killed Child in Drunken Accident Receives State Honor

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150804/1025384295.html#ixzz3hrAdXUB9

    Something you can expect for an army who has Right S3xtoy, Tornado, Azov... fighting in its side.

    Don't know what the Free West is going to say, about this, that, about Contra, Saigon Regime, about ISIL, Taliban,...

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #19

    Post  JohninMK on Wed Aug 05, 2015 10:31 am

    Another bit from Minsk. You can sense their frustration at being helpless, as they are the part of the process with no power. The poor bloody footsoldier in the negotiation battle, whilst the generals are away at HQ.

    MOSCOW, August 5. /TASS/. Ukraine's self-proclaimed Donetsk republic (DPR) calls for returning to the Normandy format (Russia, France, Germany and Ukraine) due to Kiev’s position in the Contact Group, DPR’s envoy Denis Pushilin said on Wednesday. "Kiev is already doing everything possible not to allow withdrawal of weaponry of less than 100mm caliber. Kiev has already tried to introduce amendments, exclude four positions from which Donetsk and Gorlovka are shelled… This situation should once again be raised in the Nomrandy format because Kiev is acting inappropriately," Pushilin told Rossiya 24 TV channel.

    The meetings of the Contact Group on settlement of the situation in Ukraine and sub-groups started on August 3 and continued into the night. However, the sides failed to reach an agreement on one of the most pressing issues - signing the document on gradual withdrawal of tanks, armored personnel carriers and weaponry of less than 100mm caliber from the contact line. The sub-group continue negotiations on Tuesday but no final deal was made.

    The self-proclaimed Luhansk People’s Republic (LPR) envoy to Contact Group Vladislav Deinego said that the sub-group will present two versions of the document on weaponry withdrawal at the next meeting of the Contact Group on August 26. One version will outline disagreements on separate points of the document coordinated by the Contact Group. The second version will state Ukraine’s position "after it refused the coordinated version."



    MOSCOW (Sputnik) – Negotiations on Ukrainian reconciliation need to be renewed on the so-called Normandy format because Kiev is attempting to bring war back into the country’s eastern regions, the negotiator for the eastern Ukrainian self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic said Wednesday.

    “Kiev is doing everything it can already for the fourth time and at the last minute [of negotiations] not to withdraw its hardware armed with 100mm [from the contact line]. Kiev has proposed adding an exception to withdrawing hardware from the entire line of contact. [Kiev] tried to make amendments that would allow it another 60 days to withdraw its hardware and continue shelling,” Denis Pushilin said on Russia’s Rossiya-24 television channel. He said that these type of tactics are purely “an attempt to return the situation to war.”


    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150805/1025410130.html#ixzz3hvXjqtd4

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #19

    Post  whir on Wed Aug 05, 2015 11:50 am

    TASS wrote:Ukraine plans to denounce agreement with Russia on Khmelnitskaya NPP
    World August 04, 19:21 UTC+3

    Under the agreement signed on June 9, 2010 Russia is supposed to provide funds for design works and for launching the power units into operation

    KIEV, August 4 /TASS/. Ukraine plans to denounce agreement with Russia on the completion of construction of the third and fourth units of the Khmelnitskaya nuclear power plant.

    On Tuesday, Ukraine’s Verkhovna Rada (parliament) registered a relevant government-proposed bill, which should first be considered by parliamentary leaders, the legislature’s website said.

    Ukraine and Russia signed an agreement on cooperation in the construction of the third and fourth units of the Khmelnitskaya NPP on June 9, 2010 under which Russia is supposed to provide funds for design works and for launching the power units into operation.

    In October 2014, Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk ordered the national energy company Energoatom to speed up the completion of construction of the power units with European partners. Czech Skoda seems to be the most likely candidate to finish the construction. But the firm cannot get down to work before Ukraine denounces its agreement with Russia. Continue reading.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #19

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Wed Aug 05, 2015 11:54 am

    Erk wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:Militaries don't come cheap

    KIEV (Sputnik) — Ukraine’s Defense Ministry estimates that it will need an annual budget of more than $4.6 billion to maintain a contract army, the defense minister’s aide Yuriy Biriukov said Tuesday. "More than 100 billion [hryvnias, or $4.6 billion] is required to have a contract army, with the ratio of contractors at 60 to 40," Biriukov told Hromadske TV channel.

    The country’s struggling economy cannot afford a fully professional army at the moment, the ministerial aide indicated. He said there were currently over 50,000 contract soldiers in Ukraine’s army ranks.

    Ukrainian Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk earlier ordered Defense Minister Stepan Poltorak to prepare preliminary estimates of what it would take to switch to a contract military service, as well as create a new system of army training and enrollment schemes.


    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150804/1025376128.html#ixzz3hqKy4ZGK

    So where is Ukraine going to get $4.6billion per year from, when it can't even afford gas, pensions, paying miners, and other essentials?

    So they need 4.6bln USd for 50K Kontrakniks? The F*CK? That's almost the cost of a US soldier? That's 92K USD/year. And that's a 60/40 ratio? So Ukraine plans to have a ~90K strong Army? Wat?

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #19

    Post  whir on Wed Aug 05, 2015 12:34 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:So they need 4.6bln USd for 50K Kontrakniks? The F*CK? That's almost the cost of a US soldier? That's 92K USD/year. And that's a 60/40 ratio? So Ukraine plans to have a ~90K strong Army? Wat?
    Well, take a look at the pictures of new police force and their proposed gadgets like body cameras, conducted electrical weapons, tactical flashlights, wireless radio data terminals, etc. don't come cheap, even without bribery.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #19

    Post  Flagship Victory on Wed Aug 05, 2015 1:45 pm

    7 Maidan soldiers WIA yesterday cheers That'll teach Maidan soldiers a lesson about what happens to them if they shell Donetsk. russia

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #19

    Post  JohninMK on Wed Aug 05, 2015 4:10 pm

    Lavrov on MH17, spitting blood in a diplomatic way.

    KUALA LUMPUR (Sputnik) – Russia is not receiving full information on the technical investigations into the Malaysian Airlines downing over eastern Ukraine, unlike other countries that are participating in them, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said Wednesday. “The Russian participants aren’t getting all the information that is disseminated among other participants in the group,” Lavrov told journalists in the Malaysian capital.

    In response to whether MH17 was shot down using a Russian missile, Lavrov said it would “be very easy to collect the pieces [of the missile] and analyze them in order to determine where this particular missile was produced and which army is supplied with it.” The international investigation into the downing of the MH17 flight over eastern Ukraine in 2014 is not independent or comprehensive, Sergei Lavrov said.

    “Unfortunately the investigation which was started was not independent, was not comprehensive, and was not truly international. Instead of acting under the authority of the International Civil Aviation organization, which is the rule under the Chicago Convention, Ukraine, Australia, Belgium and the Netherlands signed bilateral agreements between themselves, the substance of which was never made fully known,” Lavrov said in an interview with Singapore’s Channel News Asia. Lavrov said it was “very strange” that Malaysia was invited to participate in the investigations five months after the actual crash in July 2014. “It is really very strange that Malaysia was invited to join only in December 2014,” Lavrov said.

    Russia’s top diplomat also questioned why the United States and Ukraine have so far not published their information, including satellite images and voice recordings between the air traffic controllers and the pilots.

    “The Americans said that they did have images from the satellite, but never submitted them… the same is true for the Ukrainians who were asked to provide record[ings] of air controllers,” Lavrov said. He said that Russia’s Civil Aviation Authority is involved in the technical investigations of the downed passenger plane, but is not receiving the full picture of the circumstances behind it. “A representative of the Russian Civil Aviation organization is participating in these procedures [technical investigation], but the information we receive through this representative is not complete, we are being given less than those who have started this investigation,” Lavrov added.


    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/world/20150805/1025411084.html#ixzz3hwwIaUpW



    KUALA LUMPUR, August 5. /TASS/. Russia is not informed in full about results of technical investigation of Flight MH17 crash in eastern Ukraine, though other countries that participate in the investigation are provided with information, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said on Wednesday. "Russian participants do not get all information which is distributed among several other participants of this group," Lavrov told journalists in Kuala Lumpur.

    Commenting on reports that MH17 was allegedly downed by a missile manufactured in Russia, the foreign minister said it was sufficient to analyze parts of the missile that hit the plane. "It is very easy to assemble these elements and analyze them to understand where this concrete missile was manufactured and army of which country is equipped with it," he noted. However, this was not done, he added, and participants of the investigation did not contact Russian concern Almaz-Antey that manufactures Buk missiles, one of which was used, according to Kiev and several Western countries, to down the Malaysian Boeing.

    Foreign ministers of Russia and Malaysia Sergey Lavrov and Anifah Aman on Wednesday discussed the course of the investigation into the crash of the Malaysia Airliners Flight MH17, the Russian Foreign Ministry said on Wednesday following meeting of the two ministers on the sidelines of the ASEAN forum in Kuala Lumpur.

    "The two sides exchanged views on the prospects of boosting cooperation in the political, trade, economic, military, technical and humanitarian areas," the ministry said. "They pointed to the similarity of the two countries’ approaches to the pressing regional and international problems." The two sides paid particular attention to the course of the investigation into the crash of the Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17," the Russian Foreign Ministry said.


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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #19

    Post  JohninMK on Wed Aug 05, 2015 4:13 pm

    Then a Canadian pipes up on MH17.

    MOSCOW (Sputnik) – The Western move to create an international tribunal on the 2014 Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 crash in eastern Ukraine was a political instrument used to accuse the Russian government of war crimes, a prominent Canadian international criminal lawyer told Sputnik Wednesday.

    On July 29, Russia blocked a UN draft resolution to establish an international tribunal to identify and prosecute those responsible for the Malaysian Boeing 777 plane crash in July 2014. The draft, proposed by Malaysia and backed by Australia, Belgium, the Netherlands and Ukraine, was supported by 11 out of the 15 UNSC member-states. Moscow, in turn, said that the tribunal initiative was premature and counterproductive.

    "So they will use it [International tribunal on MH17] as a political tool to bash Russia and to try and make the Russian government look like war criminals," Christopher Black told Sputnik. According to Black, Western countries are trying to blame the crash on eastern Ukrainian militia, which the West believes is armed by Moscow. "And they also want to, of course, demonize and attack the republics of Donbass, Luhansk and Donetsk," Black stated. The draft proposal to create a tribunal was put forward despite the ongoing official investigation into the aircraft crash, he added."And so, we now know that [the initiators of the tribunal are] pushing for this tribunal without any investigation being concluded, and right at the same time, they are withholding information which they refuse to deliver despite many demands by Russia and many other countries," Black emphasized.


    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150805/1025421812.html#ixzz3hwx9mdRq

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #19

    Post  Khepesh on Wed Aug 05, 2015 7:35 pm

    Donetsk chemical factory again. Also some confusing accounts of four other explosions on the western edges of Donetsk that may have been thermobaric.


    Edit: There is a report being circulated by newsfront that ukrops have attempted a "breakthro" at Telmanovo. If true this would mean the war, BUT, residents of Telmanovo report that its all quiet. Gorlovka being hammered again tho and everybody is urged to get into the basements....


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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #19

    Post  Flagship Victory on Wed Aug 05, 2015 8:56 pm

    Maidan puts Russian general Gerasimov on most wanted list.

    http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine-abroad/euronews-ukraine-puts-top-russian-general-gerasimov-on-most-wanted-list-395109.html

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #19

    Post  Cowboy's daughter on Wed Aug 05, 2015 9:02 pm

    It says: On the Polish-Ukrainian border appeared antibanderovskie patrols of volunteers








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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #19

    Post  Cowboy's daughter on Wed Aug 05, 2015 10:29 pm

    Here is the site I wanted to find on Facebook.

    https://www.facebook.com/GeneralStaff.ua


    Sometimes Kiev makes it's army look great, and sometimes I am like What???
    Ukraine's General Staff Press Service wrote:

    Why fighters Nacgvardìï, replaced the Marines?

    In the area of conducting ATO, namely near Mariupol, on the advanced positions arrived Marines. They are replaced here, units of the National Guard, who held important turn in Širokìnomu. Now almost all the advanced frontier defense line holds, as it should, the units of the armed forces of Ukraine. The effectiveness of the defense by replacing the nacgvardìjcìv "black beretami" is not affected, because the Marine Corps units have sufficient professional training for warfare in the city and at the seaside. And the backbone of the unit already performed the task the ATC just near Mariupol, so Marines quickly zorìêntuvalis′ and took the situation under its control. This is clearly revealed by the first assault, which ended without casualties on our part. Do not forget that the Marines is one of the elite units of the armed forces. Morpìhi have gone through the full course of martial zlagodžennâ and fully ready to perform tasks in the area of ATO. And removed from the Širokìnogo soldiers of the National Guard are back for a second and a third line of Defense to carry out the tasks assigned to the National Guard in accordance with the current legislation – fight diversantami and other dangerous enemy.

    then posted these photos...what? Is this Mariupol? Do ppl live in apt complex?








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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #19

    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Aug 05, 2015 10:36 pm

    ^^ Looks like both a valid target and a good hiding place to me... but, then again, I don't live there so.... dunno

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #19

    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Aug 05, 2015 10:38 pm


    Some mighty good sh*t is being smoked in Ukropistan at the moment it seems:

    Kiev court arrests senior Russian general in absentia

    SBU investigations chief earlier said Gen Gerasimov and another 10 military stayed on the territory of Ukraine illegally in August 2014 during combat operations in the areas of Ilovaysk.............................


    http://tass.ru/en/world/812815

    Gerasimov is small fish, right? lol1

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #19

    Post  par far on Wed Aug 05, 2015 10:39 pm

    Cowboy's daughter wrote:Here is the site I wanted to find on Facebook.

    https://www.facebook.com/GeneralStaff.ua


    Sometimes Kiev makes it's army look great, and sometimes I am like What???
    Ukraine's General Staff Press Service wrote:

    Why fighters Nacgvardìï, replaced the Marines?

    In the area of conducting ATO, namely near Mariupol, on the advanced positions arrived Marines. They are replaced here, units of the National Guard, who held important turn in Širokìnomu. Now almost all the advanced frontier defense line holds, as it should, the units of the armed forces of Ukraine. The effectiveness of the defense by replacing the nacgvardìjcìv "black beretami" is not affected, because the Marine Corps units have sufficient professional training for warfare in the city and at the seaside. And the backbone of the unit already performed the task the ATC just near Mariupol, so Marines quickly zorìêntuvalis′ and took the situation under its control. This is clearly revealed by the first assault, which ended without casualties on our part. Do not forget that the Marines is one of the elite units of the armed forces. Morpìhi have gone through the full course of martial zlagodžennâ and fully ready to perform tasks in the area of ATO. And removed from the Širokìnogo soldiers of the National Guard are back for a second and a third line of Defense to carry out the tasks assigned to the National Guard in accordance with the current legislation – fight diversantami and other dangerous enemy.

    then posted these photos...what? Is this Mariupol? Do ppl live in apt complex?









    I think doing ambushes when they sleep could be a good tactic.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #19

    Post  JohninMK on Wed Aug 05, 2015 10:51 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Some mighty good sh*t is being smoked in Ukropistan at the moment it seems:

    Kiev court arrests senior Russian general in absentia

    SBU investigations chief earlier said Gen Gerasimov and another 10 military stayed on the territory of Ukraine illegally in August 2014 during combat operations in the areas of Ilovaysk.............................


    http://tass.ru/en/world/812815

    Gerasimov is small fish, right? lol1
    That's a tough looking hombre

    http://tass.ru/en/world/812779

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #19

    Post  JohninMK on Wed Aug 05, 2015 10:57 pm

    Cowboy's daughter wrote:Here is the site I wanted to find on Facebook.

    https://www.facebook.com/GeneralStaff.ua


    Sometimes Kiev makes it's army look great, and sometimes I am like What???
    Ukraine's General Staff Press Service wrote:

    Why fighters Nacgvardìï, replaced the Marines?

    In the area of conducting ATO, namely near Mariupol, on the advanced positions arrived Marines. They are replaced here, units of the National Guard, who held important turn in Širokìnomu. Now almost all the advanced frontier defense line holds, as it should, the units of the armed forces of Ukraine. The effectiveness of the defense by replacing the nacgvardìjcìv "black beretami" is not affected, because the Marine Corps units have sufficient professional training for warfare in the city and at the seaside. And the backbone of the unit already performed the task the ATC just near Mariupol, so Marines quickly zorìêntuvalis′ and took the situation under its control. This is clearly revealed by the first assault, which ended without casualties on our part. Do not forget that the Marines is one of the elite units of the armed forces. Morpìhi have gone through the full course of martial zlagodžennâ and fully ready to perform tasks in the area of ATO. And removed from the Širokìnogo soldiers of the National Guard are back for a second and a third line of Defense to carry out the tasks assigned to the National Guard in accordance with the current legislation – fight diversantami and other dangerous enemy.
    My highlight. Is this the Nat Guard moved back to allow them to restart their 'commercial' activities and to ensure that no-one in the front line gets any idea about going home? (without paying the transit tax of course).

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #19

    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Aug 05, 2015 10:59 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    Cowboy's daughter wrote:.................
    And removed from the Širokìnogo soldiers of the National Guard are back for a second and a third line of Defense to carry out the tasks assigned to the National Guard in accordance with the current legislation – fight diversantami and other dangerous enemy.
    My highlight. Is this the Nat Guard moved back to allow them to restart their 'commercial' activities and to ensure that no-one in the front line gets any idea about going home? (without paying the transit tax of course).

    Good old barrier troops... classics never go out of style.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #19

    Post  JohninMK on Wed Aug 05, 2015 11:18 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:
    Cowboy's daughter wrote:.................
    And removed from the Širokìnogo soldiers of the National Guard are back for a second and a third line of Defense to carry out the tasks assigned to the National Guard in accordance with the current legislation – fight diversantami and other dangerous enemy.
    My highlight. Is this the Nat Guard moved back to allow them to restart their 'commercial' activities and to ensure that no-one in the front line gets any idea about going home? (without paying the transit tax of course).

    Good old barrier troops... classics never go out of style.
    Yup, and they as they only need light weapons and a bit of transport it gets them away from 'proper' weapons without loss of face.

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