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    The Situation in the Ukraine. #3

    Post  Viktor on Thu Apr 10, 2014 4:51 pm

    Excellent  thumbsup 

    President Vladimir Putin's letter to leaders of European countries. Full text

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #3

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Thu Apr 10, 2014 5:09 pm

    arpakola wrote:
    zino wrote:to flamming,
    you seem the most educated on the matter..is it possible to donate some money to the "Donetsk Republic" from the west (by SMS or something and without frauds)? That vice video was inspiring me. Or at least to show some moral support for them in the net from the "English speaking" community.
    Thanks in advance for the reply.

    VICE news is NATO sponsored NGO ..


    Funny you should say that because Vice Magazine was in fact founded by Canadian neo-cons in the same stripe as Stephen Harper.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #3

    Post  Werewolf on Thu Apr 10, 2014 5:18 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    arpakola wrote:
    zino wrote:to flamming,
    you seem the most educated on the matter..is it possible to donate some money to the "Donetsk Republic" from the west (by SMS or something and without frauds)? That vice video was inspiring me. Or at least to show some moral support for them in the net from the "English speaking" community.
    Thanks in advance for the reply.

    VICE news is NATO sponsored NGO ..


    Funny you should say that because Vice Magazine was in fact founded by Canadian neo-cons in the same stripe as Stephen Harper.

    Vice News belongs to comset fox branch.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #3

    Post  arpakola on Thu Apr 10, 2014 5:48 pm

    A member of "Svoboda" is trying to wrest away a red flag from some woman in Odessa... Gets smacked:




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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #3

    Post  Vann7 on Thu Apr 10, 2014 5:53 pm

    Those americans or israeli mercenaries are sent by western powers to suppress protest ,assassinate political leaders of the opposition ,
    and maintain in power the illegal puppet government in Kiev.. Their special services is as Snipers to instigate unrest and violence
    in countries they want to remove from power their governments.. Like the maidan sniper killings where 100 people died and later was blamed on Yakunovych is a classic example of their missions. This criminal practices of Major NATO powers are well documented and many have been caught and arrested. They were highly active in the arab spring killing protesters to made it look is police the one killing them.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fiBRjc0J88

    here is one sniper captured in Syria.. he worked for israel..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NN3tp8Jw3DA

    they have been hired in venezuela unrest,all the Arab spring ,even in Russia after the major crisis between yeltsin and parliament ,
    there was NATO snipers firing at both sides..


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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #3

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Thu Apr 10, 2014 6:17 pm

    Fun fact, the "fake left" U.S. State Dept. funded "Radio Free Europe" was one of the earliest sponsers of post-WW2 Nazi's, specifically Stephen Bandera. Here's a declassified (via FOIA request) document detailing the CIA's role in propping up Nazi's/Neo-Nazi's in Eastern Europe, the document is posted CIA's own website:

    http://www.foia.cia.gov/sites/default/files/document_conversions/1705143/STUDIES%20IN%20INTELLIGENCE%20NAZI%20-%20RELATED%20ARTICLES_0015.pdf

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #3

    Post  zino on Thu Apr 10, 2014 6:45 pm

    Werewolf wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    arpakola wrote:
    zino wrote:to flamming,
    you seem the most educated on the matter..is it possible to donate some money to the "Donetsk Republic" from the west (by SMS or something and without frauds)? That vice video was inspiring me. Or at least to show some moral support for them in the net from the "English speaking" community.
    Thanks in advance for the reply.

    VICE news is NATO sponsored NGO ..


    Funny you should say that because Vice Magazine was in fact founded by Canadian neo-cons in the same stripe as Stephen Harper.

    Vice News belongs to comset fox branch.

    I know it. Nevertheless picture of people from Donetsk emerged crystal clear, despite the biased journalist. And the picture is something awesome, really inspiring.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #3

    Post  arpakola on Thu Apr 10, 2014 8:39 pm


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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #3

    Post  macedonian on Thu Apr 10, 2014 9:29 pm

    Viktor wrote:Excellent  thumbsup 

    President Vladimir Putin's letter to leaders of European countries. Full text

    Indeed.
    Bravo Viktore.
    Another great and honest stand by Vladimir Vladimirovich. Just like his op-ed in the NYT vis-a-vis Syria.
    Not presented as such in the 'western free media' though (not that I expect that from the usual propaganda outlets), but none-the-less, a great move.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #3

    Post  flamming_python on Thu Apr 10, 2014 9:55 pm

    zino wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    arpakola wrote:
    zino wrote:to flamming,
    you seem the most educated on the matter..is it possible to donate some money to the "Donetsk Republic" from the west (by SMS or something and without frauds)? That vice video was inspiring me. Or at least to show some moral support for them in the net from the "English speaking" community.
    Thanks in advance for the reply.

    VICE news is NATO sponsored NGO ..


    Funny you should say that because Vice Magazine was in fact founded by Canadian neo-cons in the same stripe as Stephen Harper.

    Vice News belongs to comset fox branch.

    I know it. Nevertheless picture of people from Donetsk emerged crystal clear, despite the biased journalist. And the picture is something awesome, really inspiring.

    YEP it's like Maidan, only a REAL Maidan; not that fake-ass, oligarch-funded, nationalist-infested, US/EU neo-con supported, violent, brain zombification bullshit that spread like a virus throughout Kiev into other central cities and even into many eastern cities, where the resulting hoodlum militias that were born through that cocktail of deceit and propaganda have set up bases of operation - like an occupation army crushing dissent with violence, attacking anyone who disagrees with them.

    Now the people - and I mean the REAL people, the WORKING people - have made a stand. And not by driving hundreds of miles to pillage and wreck other cities - but in their own homes, they are defending their own land.

    They don't have millions of dollars, donated by Nuland, wealthy businessmen, the richest oligarchs in the country. In fact the richest people in the country oppose them, wealthy businessmen call them traitors, and the US won't give them the time of day.
    They don't have control of the TV media, or much sympathy, journalists from many foreign ones - the most they can hope for is the Russian media, and the occassional unbiased report by the few Western correspondents there, the occassional one.
    They don't even have control of any internet media, most of which posts state-sponsored news and propaganda against them unashamedly. At most they have a few sympathetic, mostly local web resources.
    They don't have control of any regional internet forums, most of which have been taken over by pro-Bandera moderators over the last few years; even for the Donetsk and Lugansk forums themselves (!).
    They don't have proffessional youtube channels, at most just a few web-camera streams and a few dozen enthusiasts. Their twitter streams, hashtags are making progress but still pale in comparison the Maidan ones.
    They don't have rock bands and muscisians, famous throughout the nation and beyond - like Okean Elzy, Ruslana, etc... declaring their support for them internationally, holding extravagant, well-funded concerts, festivities in their midst.
    They don't have the political support of the EU and US, whose pressure was able to disuade Yanukovich from basically doing anything substantial at all, to prevent an unconstitutional, violent take-over of his own government and the beggining of the collapse of his country.
    They don't have the huge defense infastructure developed that Maidan did, the hundreds of trained, armoured fighters, a multitude of militia groups - they just have themselves, their mining helmets, some sticks and a small core of armed fighters with experience in the military/police.
    They don't have any regions completely secured, at their back, sending hundreds of volunteers, supplies to them constantly. At most - they have the Crimea.

    It's just them, against the massive tide.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #3

    Post  flamming_python on Thu Apr 10, 2014 10:41 pm



    For Russian-speakers; 1:45 onwards Very Happy

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #3

    Post  Cyberspec on Fri Apr 11, 2014 12:12 am

    The babushka's are a force to be reckoned with  Very Happy 

    Member of the newly formed Odessa resistance group talking to the media


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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #3

    Post  TR1 on Fri Apr 11, 2014 1:02 am

    macedonian wrote:
    Viktor wrote:Excellent  thumbsup 

    President Vladimir Putin's letter to leaders of European countries. Full text

    Indeed.
    Bravo Viktore.
    Another great and honest stand by Vladimir Vladimirovich. Just like his op-ed in the NYT vis-a-vis Syria.
    Not presented as such in the 'western free media' though (not that I expect that from the usual propaganda outlets), but none-the-less, a great move.

    Must...not...comment...on Putin, honest and Syria being in the same sentence.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #3

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Fri Apr 11, 2014 1:45 am

    Looks like Hungary has came out in full support of Russia on Crimea:

    Hungarian politician filed claims against Ukrainian territories

    Ukraine diplomat called "artificial state".

    The Hungarian delegate to the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe on Wednesday, April 9, supported the position of the representatives of the Russian delegation, informs news UNIAN . particularly Hungary noted that in Ukraine there are now "hidden forces" who are trying to seize power. Also, he said, Ukraine - is "artificial state", in which the composition, in particular, includes the Carpathians, which for many years belonged to Hungary. During his speech, he for some time mute, but then included. Other members of the Council of Europe have expressed regret that the hall PACE sound such "nationalist statements." As reported, the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe has prepared a draft resolution "Recent events in Ukraine: threat of functioning democratic institutions," in which she did not support the idea of federalization Ukraine does not recognize the referendum in the Crimea from March 16.

    http://korrespondent.net/ukraine/politics/3346907-venherskyi-polytyk-prediavyl-pretenzyy-k-ukraynskym-terrytoryiam

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #3

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Fri Apr 11, 2014 1:48 am

    The overwhelming majority of "The Independents" readers are Pro-Putin (Poll):

    http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/iv-drip/poll-nigel-farages-favourite-world-leader-is-putin-whos-yours-9226480.html

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #3

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Fri Apr 11, 2014 2:01 am

    I just had to repost these for fun Razz :

    Ukraine's Transition to Democracy:













    http://halloomistoimub.wordpress.com/2014/03/17/ukraines-transition-to-democracy/

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=90c_1395058419










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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #3

    Post  Cyberspec on Fri Apr 11, 2014 2:06 am

    This Hungarian government is proving to be a thorn in the side of the EU bureaucrats

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #3

    Post  flamming_python on Fri Apr 11, 2014 2:21 am

    Cyberspec wrote:This Hungarian government is proving to be a thorn in the side of the EU bureaucrats

    Yup, now someone there is claiming Subcarpathian Rus' (Zakarpatia region)

    Good article here:
    http://www.eurasiareview.com/05042014-karpatalja-europes-next-crimea-analysis/

    If the Ukraine ultimately falls completely apart - it would be good if Hungary secured the region. Russia won't be able to reach that far, and someone needs to protect the rights of minorities there such as the Hungarians, Rusyns, etc... not to mention just normal people in general there.

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    Post  Cyberspec on Fri Apr 11, 2014 2:25 am

    Interesting

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #3

    Post  Vann7 on Fri Apr 11, 2014 5:22 am

    Cyberspec wrote:The babushka's are a force to be reckoned with  Very Happy 

    Member of the newly formed Odessa resistance group talking to the media


    About Fucking time..
    What the hell so slow Ukrainians to form peaceful resistant but well armed groups..
    They need to create thousands of groups on each pro Russian city like this..to force kiev for the federalization of Ukraine
    and that each city have their own Security and government independent of Kiev and the Central government role only to be Defense against outside world and international economy.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #3

    Post  Vann7 on Fri Apr 11, 2014 5:34 am

    TR1 wrote:
    macedonian wrote:
    Viktor wrote:Excellent  thumbsup 

    President Vladimir Putin's letter to leaders of European countries. Full text

    Indeed.
    Bravo Viktore.
    Another great and honest stand by Vladimir Vladimirovich. Just like his op-ed in the NYT vis-a-vis Syria.
    Not presented as such in the 'western free media' though (not that I expect that from the usual propaganda outlets), but none-the-less, a great move.

    Must...not...comment...on Putin, honest and Syria being in the same sentence.


    Oh please illustrate us whats wrong with Putin in Syria? Can't wait for debunking everything you think you know about that conflict.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #3

    Post  macedonian on Fri Apr 11, 2014 7:25 am

    TR1 wrote:Must...not...comment...on Putin, honest and Syria being in the same sentence.

    Must...read...more...carefully...

    My post was about Putin's op-ed in the New York Times.
    If you disagree that it was honest, by all means tell us which part of the said op-ed was dishonest.
    If not...well...best take your own advice, and refrain from commenting.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #3

    Post  TR1 on Fri Apr 11, 2014 7:29 am

    Nothing that comes out of the Bottox Queens mouth is honest.

    Thief number 1 in Russia.

    "Under current international law, force is permitted only in self-defense or by the decision of the Security Council. "

    LOL. Oh Putin.

    If any of you actually think Putin and Russia are acting in Syria out of concern for international law or anything of that matter, well, what can I say Smile .

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #3

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Fri Apr 11, 2014 7:59 am

    TR1 wrote:
    If any of you actually think Putin and Russia are acting in Syria out of concern for international law or anything of that matter, well, what can I say Smile.

    NEWSFLASH! Apparently that's how the world has been working for the last several thousand years. Mutual beneficial self-interests have been driving geo-politics since ancient antiquity, a lot of those so-called "humanitarian" institutions who con people in to believing they want nothing in return, turn out to be spook get-ups and subversion programs affiliated with intelligence agencies. There were people claiming that the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan were the freedom fighters, and that the Afghan socialist republic was too terrible to bear, with it's dangerous beliefs such as running clean water, literacy programs, etc. Suffice to say 2 large sky scrappers annihilated in lower Manhattan, hundreds of billions of dollars down the drain in Afghanistan, and had people opposed financing the Mujahadden in the first place we wouldn't have to cut NASA programs due to "costs" because we would have saved hundreds of billions with surplus amounts of money to properly fund NASA had those subversives not been financed.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #3

    Post  Cyberspec on Fri Apr 11, 2014 8:08 am

    Never mind TR1....it's a difficult period in his life with his arch nemesis popularity soaring through the roof.


    Vann7 wrote:

    About Fucking time..
    What the hell so slow Ukrainians to form peaceful resistant but well armed groups..
    They need to create thousands of groups on each pro Russian city like this..to force kiev for the federalization of Ukraine
    and that each city have their own Security and government independent of Kiev and the Central government role only to be Defense against outside world and international economy.

    Their starting from scratch. I suspect they'll be getting more and more organised as time goes by and as the economic situation gets worse (more people willing to protest)

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