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    The Situation in the Ukraine. #13

    Post  AlfaT8 on Sun May 03, 2015 5:00 pm

    Polish president says Victory Day Parade in Moscow "symbol of unstable world"

    WARSAW, May 3. /TASS/. Poland’s President Bronislaw Komorowski has described Sunday the Victory Day Parade due to take place in Moscow on May 9 as "a symbol of instability."

    Poland should remember the lessons of history and not give in to a misconception that nothing is threatening the country. "Soon, on May 9, Red Square in Moscow will turn into an armored square. There will be those units that recently attacked neighboring Ukraine in front of us and the whole world, demonstrating their force. It has been a long time since a military conflict was as close to the Polish borders as now. One should bear in mind that in this military demonstration, demonstration of force, we are talking not about history, but about the present and future. It is the image of today’s unstable and restless world. In in such conditions, we need to strengthen our Polish security," Komorowski said.

    "Poland’s geopolitical position has always been difficult because we are located between the East and the West. That is why we should remember our painful historical experience and strengthen our force, relying on agreement and unity where it is possible," he added. "Today’s world brings threats, and that is why further modernization of the country is so important, along with strengthening ties with the Western world by expanding European integration and actively participating in NATO," he noted.

    Are these people f#cking insane or what? Shocked

    Quick to remember the tragedies caused by the USSR, but at the same time complete and total memory loss of the atrocities caused by the Third reich.Suspect

    Perhaps the USSR should have let the Nazis take all of Poland. Rolling Eyes

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    "The situation in the Ukraine"

    Post  kvs on Sun May 03, 2015 5:09 pm

    AlfaT8 wrote:
    Polish president says Victory Day Parade in Moscow "symbol of unstable world"

    WARSAW, May 3. /TASS/. Poland’s President Bronislaw Komorowski has described Sunday the Victory Day Parade due to take place in Moscow on May 9 as "a symbol of instability."

    Poland should remember the lessons of history and not give in to a misconception that nothing is threatening the country. "Soon, on May 9, Red Square in Moscow will turn into an armored square. There will be those units that recently attacked neighboring Ukraine in front of us and the whole world, demonstrating their force. It has been a long time since a military conflict was as close to the Polish borders as now. One should bear in mind that in this military demonstration, demonstration of force, we are talking not about history, but about the present and future. It is the image of today’s unstable and restless world. In in such conditions, we need to strengthen our Polish security," Komorowski said.

    "Poland’s geopolitical position has always been difficult because we are located between the East and the West. That is why we should remember our painful historical experience and strengthen our force, relying on agreement and unity where it is possible," he added. "Today’s world brings threats, and that is why further modernization of the country is so important, along with strengthening ties with the Western world by expanding European integration and actively participating in NATO," he noted.

    Are these people f#cking insane or what? Shocked

    Quick to remember the tragedies caused by the USSR, but at the same time complete and total memory loss of the atrocities caused by the Third reich.Suspect

    Perhaps the USSR should have let the Nazis take all of Poland. Rolling Eyes

    That is a really good idea. Their bile is revolting. They suck the penis of Germany and transfer their hate onto Russia. Sick.

    Someone should point this out to that retard:



    The Bastille day military parade in Paris.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #13

    Post  Neutrality on Sun May 03, 2015 5:27 pm

    Why was the previous topic locked?

    Anyway, regarding the words of Polish president it's just silly butthurt whining about Soviet mistreatment while reminding the Russians of their past. So maybe the Russians need to start acting all butthurt about the invasions Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth too? Oh that's right. I forgot Polish history started right after World War II.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #13

    Post  George1 on Sun May 03, 2015 5:30 pm

    Neutrality wrote:Why was the previous topic locked?

    Anyway, regarding the words of Polish president it's just silly butthurt whining about Soviet mistreatment while reminding the Russians of their past. So maybe the Russians need to start acting all butthurt about the invasions Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth too? Oh that's right. I forgot Polish history started right after World War II.

    when it reaches some number of posts (990) we lock it and start a new one

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #13

    Post  whir on Sun May 03, 2015 5:34 pm

    WTF, who has locked the other thread? and why?

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    The 30mm round belongs to a Su-25, it's wing can be seen on the ground painted in Ukrainian yellowish colors immediacy after the round is showed on camera.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #13

    Post  George1 on Sun May 03, 2015 5:35 pm

    [quote="whir"]WTF, who has locked the other thread? and why?

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    The 30mm round belongs to a Su-25, it's wing can be seen on the ground painted in Ukrainian yellowish colors immediacy after the round is showed on camera.[/quote

    i answered in the post above

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #13

    Post  whir on Sun May 03, 2015 5:41 pm

    George1 wrote:when it reaches some number of posts (990) we lock it and start a new one
    If it can be done then put at least a number on the new one to give it a sense of continuity, link the old thread in the first post and the last entry in the second, it would be much appreaciated, thanks in advance.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #13

    Post  George1 on Sun May 03, 2015 5:54 pm

    whir wrote:
    George1 wrote:when it reaches some number of posts (990) we lock it and start a new one
    If it can be done then put at least a number on the new one to give it a sense of continuity, link the old thread in the first post and the last entry  in the second, it would be much appreaciated, thanks in advance.

    i am a new moderator. This hasn't started from me. See other old topics with the same title in the section. Vladimir can give any solution he considers better. I just did the job is done every time

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #13

    Post  mack8 on Sun May 03, 2015 6:23 pm

    Yes, out of curiousity i looked and indeed there are loads of 67 pages long, 990 replies Ukraine topics on the first page alone. There must be dozens of them in total!

    But yeah, probably it's a good idea to have a notice in the last post of a closed thread like "thread closed, new thread here" and a link to it, and same in the new topic, something like "Old thread here" and a link to the old one.

    No big deal, just a small thing really. Keep up the good work. thumbsup

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #13

    Post  Flagship Victory on Sun May 03, 2015 6:25 pm

    IMO if it was a Su-25 rather than a Su-27, then the Su-25 must have been in place before MH17 was there and it must have been a head on engagement. Su-25 is slow, not a fighter like Su-27 is.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #13

    Post  PapaDragon on Sun May 03, 2015 7:18 pm

    Title of this interview with Rostislav Ishchenko pretty much summarizes my view of situation in the Ukraine. That whole place is corpse on life support:

    War in the East Is the Only Thing Preventing Ukraine Collapse

    Ukraine government must continue the war because it cannot exist without it. The war is delaying the inevitable socio-economic collapse of the country and allowing Kiev to pretend that there is national unity

    http://russia-insider.com/en/2015/03/25/4925

    What could you say about the recent statement by Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko on the recent de-escalation of the conflict in Donbass? Is this really happening? Will Kiev fully comply with the Minsk agreements?  We hear continuous reports that Ukraine is building up its military strength with Western help. Will you, please, comment on the EU and US roles in this respect.

    Poroshenko is saying what he is supposed to say, but even he doesn’t seem to believe it. First, Ukraine does not conceal the fact that it will only accept one end to the Donbass problem – the surrender of the Donetsk and Lugansk people’s republics. However, to achieve this, Kiev must win militarily, which it obviously cannot do no matter how many people it drafts or how much equipment its army receives. It cannot win even with Western supplies, which aren’t expected in the near future anyway. To sum up, Kiev is unable to win but must continue the war because the Kiev regime cannot exist without it. The war is delaying the inevitable socio-economic collapse of the country and justifies the terrorist methods used to run it. This is the only thing allowing the regime to pretend that there is national unity and that the situation in the country is under control.................(continued)

    Kiev might be planning and preparing for another "offensive" but even if their army, country and economy weren't complete and pathetic jokes and under ideal circumstances, success of the whole thing would hinge on NAF not knowing every move junta would make even before UAF do.

    Thing is, NAF are getting their data directly from Russian intelligence who know every step Kiev might make well in advance.
    It's like reading other team's playbook Twisted Evil

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #13

    Post  PapaDragon on Sun May 03, 2015 8:10 pm

    Clown show in Kiev is really getting desperate... I thought that Nazis were supposed to be "liberators from Soviet occupation" lol1

    http://lenta.ru/news/2015/05/03/lyashko/

    Lyashko demanded payment for the death of German Ukrainians during the war

    GoogleTranslate:
    The leader of the Ukrainian Radical Party, Oleg Lyashko demanded by Germany, "to pay for historical accounts of the Ukrainians and Ukraine". This was written on his page on Facebook , commenting on plans for German Chancellor Angela Merkel to visit Moscow on May 10 to jointly with Russian President Vladimir Putin to commemorate those killed in World War II..........(continued)

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #13

    Post  whir on Sun May 03, 2015 8:24 pm

    @Hermius1 wrote:

    Novorosinform via Google Translate wrote:Кишиневе проходит митинг против лидеров прозападной коалиции
    Chisinau hosts meeting against the leaders of the pro-Western coalition
    Today at 17:00

    Chisinau hosts meeting against the leaders of the pro-Western coalition
    More than 10 thousand people on Sunday blocked the movement of vehicles on the main avenue of the capital of Moldova. The protesters demanded the resignation of the leaders of the ruling pro-European coalition, who are accused of corruption.

    In the morning, demonstrators marched along the main avenue in Chisinau, after which the central square of the meeting began. "Thieves in the government - in jail!", "Down with corrupt officials!" - The protesters chant.

    The action was initiated Civic Platform movement "Dignity and Justice", whose leaders demand immediate investigation of high-profile corruption scandals, including the theft of more than $ 1 billion of the three banks. The rally takes place peacefully, the police action does not preclude the demonstrators.

    Speakers at the rally leaders of the movement have called for the resignation of Attorney General, Director of the National Centre for the Fight against Corruption, Director of the Customs Service, the heads of the Supreme Court of Justice, Court of Appeal of Chisinau and the Council for the Protection of Competition, which is suspected of corruption.

    "Without the resignation of data structures and real reform society does not know who is guilty of stealing money from the banks," - said co-chair of the Civic Platform Angela Arama. "If they do not go away, the next protest action, we set up tents around the parliament and the prosecutor's office", - promised another activist, writer and presenter Konstantin Cheianu.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #13

    Post  Ghoster on Sun May 03, 2015 8:30 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:Clown show in Kiev is really getting desperate... I thought that Nazis were supposed to be "liberators from Soviet occupation" lol1

    Lyashko demanded payment for the death of German Ukrainians during the war

    GoogleTranslate:
    The leader of the Ukrainian Radical Party, Oleg Lyashko demanded by Germany, "to pay for historical accounts of the Ukrainians and Ukraine". This was written on his page on Facebook , commenting on plans for German Chancellor Angela Merkel to visit Moscow on May 10 to jointly with Russian President Vladimir Putin to commemorate those killed in World War II..........(continued)

    Lyashko sums up the clowns in Kiev pretty well. A real mental case. lol1

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #13

    Post  BKP on Sun May 03, 2015 8:40 pm

    Ghoster wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:Clown show in Kiev is really getting desperate... I thought that Nazis were supposed to be "liberators from Soviet occupation" lol1

    Lyashko demanded payment for the death of German Ukrainians during the war

    GoogleTranslate:
    The leader of the Ukrainian Radical Party, Oleg Lyashko demanded by Germany, "to pay for historical accounts of the Ukrainians and Ukraine". This was written on his page on Facebook , commenting on plans for German Chancellor Angela Merkel to visit Moscow on May 10 to jointly with Russian President Vladimir Putin to commemorate those killed in World War II..........(continued)

    Lyashko sums up the clowns in Kiev pretty well. A real mental case. lol1

    Every day I have to wrap my head around the fact that the "West" installed a pack of reconstituted Nazi goons right on Russia's border. Then they sell it to the rubes as a "budding democracy" knowing full well that enough dummies will buy it.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #13

    Post  whir on Sun May 03, 2015 9:50 pm


    I have seen many eccentric tattoos in my life but... mother of God, and this is supposed to be the head of the Kiev Oblast regional police? Shocked

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #13

    Post  Neutrality on Sun May 03, 2015 9:51 pm

    whir wrote:
    I have seen many eccentric tattoos in my life but... mother of God, and this is supposed to be the head of the Kiev Oblast regional police? Shocked

    Head of police? What the actual fuck.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #13

    Post  whir on Sun May 03, 2015 10:04 pm

    Neutrality wrote:Head of police? What the actual fuck.
    Although old news...
    Jerusalem Post wrote:Kiev regional police head accused of neo-Nazi ties

    If need be, Ukrainian chief rabbi says he’ll call on president to sack interior minister over appointment.

    By SAM SOKOL \  11/12/2014 07:5
    The newly appointed police chief for the Ukrainian province in which Kiev is located came under fire on Monday after it was alleged that he had past ties with a neo-Nazi organization.

    Vadim Troyan was appointed to head the Kiev Oblast regional police on October 31 by Interior Minister Arsen Avakov, who feted him on Facebook as a respected commander whose like would form “the basis of a new national police force.”

    Prior to his appointment he was deputy commander of the volunteer Azov Battalion, which has been engaged in combat operations against pro-Russian separatists in the country’s east. Kiev, while within the district, is an independent jurisdiction.

    Troyan, 35, who was involved in the liberation of Mariupol and was awarded Ukraine’s Order of Bogdan Khmelnitsky, is one of many military men climbing the ladder of political and economic success in a country eager to reward those it perceives as heroes in its war against what is widely seen as Russian aggression. Kiev and the West blame Moscow for funding and equipping the rebels, a charge the Kremlin denies. Continue reading

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #13

    Post  Godric on Sun May 03, 2015 10:42 pm

    whir wrote:
    I have seen many eccentric tattoos in my life but... mother of God, and this is supposed to be the head of the Kiev Oblast regional police? Shocked

    what a lowlife scumbag I hope he gets what he deserves

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #13

    Post  kvs on Sun May 03, 2015 11:02 pm

    The link I posted before supposedly of the MH17 crash site is actually that of a SU-25. Sorry for jumping to conclusions.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #13

    Post  Cowboy's daughter on Sun May 03, 2015 11:08 pm

    BKP wrote:
    Ghoster wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:Clown show in Kiev is really getting desperate... I thought that Nazis were supposed to be "liberators from Soviet occupation" lol1

    Lyashko demanded payment for the death of German Ukrainians during the war

    GoogleTranslate:
    The leader of the Ukrainian Radical Party, Oleg Lyashko demanded by Germany, "to pay for historical accounts of the Ukrainians and Ukraine". This was written on his page on Facebook , commenting on plans for German Chancellor Angela Merkel to visit Moscow on May 10 to jointly with Russian President Vladimir Putin to commemorate those killed in World War II..........(continued)

    Lyashko sums up the clowns in Kiev pretty well. A real mental case. lol1

    Every day I have to wrap my head around the fact that the "West" installed a pack of reconstituted Nazi goons right on Russia's border. Then they sell it to the rubes as a "budding democracy" knowing full well that enough dummies will buy it.

    It's sad. Imho, most persons in USA are apathetic. Most persons I know are busy working, paying bills, rearing their kids, etc., and absolutely hate politics in the USA.

    The politicians, or persons in power, in Washington, have been in power forever. It's like a genetic bottleneck.

    http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evosite/evo101/IIID3Bottlenecks.shtml

    except it's political

    It may be too late to change it. idk.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #13

    Post  Cowboy's daughter on Sun May 03, 2015 11:10 pm

    Can, and will, someone post a map, or a link to, of what's happening militarily in Ukraine, please ?

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #13

    Post  whir on Sun May 03, 2015 11:20 pm

    Little Odessa (aka Brighton Beach)


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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #13

    Post  Cowboy's daughter on Sun May 03, 2015 11:35 pm

    whir wrote:Little Odessa (aka Brighton Beach)


    Thanks for posting that, whir!


    I haven't read all of this, but starting out, it looks good.

    Stories from Oles Buzina: SS Galicia Division against Ukraine
    May 1, 2015 / Nina Kouprianova

    https://ninabyzantina.wordpress.com/2015/05/01/history-from-oles-buzina-ss-galicia-division-against-ukraine/

    ("Stories from Oles Buzina” was a regular column for Segodnya newspaper, covering historic subjects. In the Russian language, “story” and “history” (istoriia) are the same word, which plays an important role in this context.)

    The inglorious path of this SS Division is the biography of one bitter Galician illusion that some are trying to revive even today. Not Ukrainian, but specifically Galician.

    Translated from the Russian and Ukrainian languages by Nina Kouprianova.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #13

    Post  Airbornewolf on Sun May 03, 2015 11:37 pm

    kvs wrote:The link I posted before supposedly of the MH17 crash site is actually that of a SU-25.   Sorry for jumping to conclusions.

    ah MH-17... i was wondering where that went here on the ukraine crisis. altough there is not much to be said about it i guess. im enjoying the waking up of the average dutch citizen now while reading their comments below anti-russia posts. ranging from "government cover up", "Kiev shot it out of the sky", "why have we not seen or heard the hard data from Ukraine?" etc etc.

    i remember i was at an BBQ when it got shot down. some at the party where so gullible to immediately believe "it was an russian BUK" untill i said it was bullshit for an number of reasons. massive smoke trail, networked battery needed for target accuisition , and the fact that Ukraine already had BUK systems deployed in the area. anyway.....party ruined.

    the story of an BUK missile did not fly with dutch AA forces but where told to shut up or lose their job. i honestly asked an sargeant when i got the oppertunity and they said "that picture of the cockpit says enough. thats not an missile, not remotely an BUK. an fighter killed that aircraft and everyone knows it". he laughed when i asked about possible misindentification. the sargeant pointed out that there is massive difference between an jet fighter or an commercial jet liner on radar. flight speed, return signal and the fact airliners do not change speed, course or altitude in general.

    but as soon the Dutch government signed that secrecy contract with Ukraine over MH-17 to keep anything "damaging" to ukraine silent it was clear to me. Ukraine did it, otherwise they would have jumped at the chance to blame Russia.

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